Re: re Moxley Sorrel and September 16th (Night)
The only cite I see from Priest is Sorrell and Sorrel does not mention the West Woods at least in the edition of Sorrel I have. Hopkins who wrote "The Little Jeff" did it 10 years after Priest published his book. I didn't see anything in the link to Roland unless I missed something.
I am using both of Priest's books a lot as he supplies much detail fortunately with many footnotes.
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...> wrote:
> Dear Larry,
> Sounds like a good project. However, in Priest's book he notes
> "WEST" of the West Woods....Piper Farm Orchard is, IIRC, not west
> of the West Woods, but East.
> If the JDL, at least two companies, was picketed around the
> Hagerstown-Sharpsburg Pike somewhere near the Dunkard
> Church/Mumma Swale/Piper Farm, might be worthwhile to confirm
> exactly where they were.
> I personally find it hard to believe Priest attributes the entire
> incident solely to Sorrel and then seemly "invents" actions for
> Sorrel and especially location for where Sorrel was. To me its
> incredible he did not also cite the Rowland work.
> If this is indeed confirmed that Priest stretched the story quite
> a bit, another reason to take what he writes in his books with
> large grains of salt...unless able to be verified otherwise.
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:12 PM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Moxley Sorrel and September 16th
> Sorrel said that he was "under thick trees" and in September the
> orchard trees would still be in full foliage. But I guess if
> Sorrel were with Longstreet at the Piper farm, he would not be
> very near the JDL.
> But the location of the JDL south of the WW can work given what
> we have so far. Some of the references Wert uses are at the
> Antietam library under the Piper rubric so I can check them out.
- And we can't forget the raincoat Stonewall had on the night he was shot; it is at the VMI museum and a picture is on their website. It has the two bullet holes in the left sleeve.
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:
> For what it's worth, even though it was very early in the war, when CSA
> Gen Felix Zollicoffer was killed in the battle of Mill Springs in KY on
> Jan 19, 1862, he was wearing either a "white rubber" or "light drab
> overcoat buttoned to the chin." Due to the rain and hanging smoke, he
> managed to ride right through the Federal lines unmolested and was only
> shot when he spoke to a US officer on his way back out. One of the
> accounts said that a US Lt. Col was wearing a similar coat, so nobody
> thought anything about it.
> Dave McGowan
> Thomas Clemens wrote:
> > To parse terms with you for a moment, officers purchase all of their
> > own clothing and equipment and although guidelines are published, a
> > certain lattitude is in what they wear and use. Lee's talma and
> > overalls were likely rubberized and privately purchased. Jackson was
> > wearing a rubberized coat when he was shot.
> > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
> > Professor of History
> > Hagerstown Community College
> > >>> "Teej Smith" <teej@... <mailto:teej%40nc.rr.com>> 04/04/09
> > 1:01 PM >>>
> > Larry wrote:
> > Teej,
> > I see only Sorrel mentioning this--do you have other sources
> > mentioning raingear?
> > Sorry, no I don't. In fact the only other place I've "over-alls"
> > mentioned was in connection with a Union soldier at Ball's Bluff.
> > Sorrel wrote, "It had rained and he (Lee) was wearing a rubber poncho
> > and over-alls, his body and legs being thus well protected." I suppose
> > they could be the canvas wear you described in your message but that
> > wouldn't be much protection from the rain. But perhaps from the mud?
> > Whatever they were, they must have been loose fitting because later
> > Sorrel wrote that while reaching for his bridle, Lee "tripped in his
> > over-alls and fell forward, not prone, but catching on his hands."
> > Sorrel then went on to describe the nature of Lee's injuries and to
> > note word of his being hurt reached the Northern newspapers which went
> > into great detail as to the nature of his injury. Their report was Lee
> > had been seriously wounded and even went so far as to describe how Lee
> > received his wound. Would like to see that newspaper report. Sorrel
> > confirmed Lee was able to ride a little by the time of Antietam.
> > However, I have seen a letter written by Lee in April 1863 in which he
> > said he was still having problems with one of his hands.
> > Regards,
> > Teej
> > .
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