Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Moxley Sorrel and September 16th (Night)
- Dear Larry,
Good work! I would tend to believe that Sorrel and the others of
the staff would naturally stick close to the location of the
general, so the Piper House/Farmstead area makes logical sense to
Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers
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on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
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From: "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...>
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:20 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Moxley Sorrel and September 16th
I tried to make sense out of what Sorrel, Wert, Hopkins, et al,
Wert's sources are clear that Longstreet and his staff were in
the Piper orchard on the nights of the 15/16 and 16/17. If this
is true, then they were not in the West Woods. I don't see where
Sorrel mentions the WW in his book. Alexander "Sandy" Duncan of
the Georgia Hussars part of the JDL described this stampede to
Sorrel. If there were a stampede of the JDL horses and not
artillery horses as Wert says, the JDL had to be near the
Sharpsburg-Hagerstown Tpke. On the other hand, there could have
been two stampedes that night and Sorrel concatenated them or the
horses could have run the couple of miles from the SS pike to the
The part of Lt. Gordon's account about the JDL which seems wrong
is when he said the JDL after supporting Jackson on the left on
the 16th bivouaced near the Sharpsburg-Shepherdstown Tpke. Pvt.
Shields of the JDL then describes the stampede and how Stuart and
his staff formed on the pike to try to stop them. It is difficult
to understand how the JDL and Stuart with his staff were west of
Sharpsburg on the Sharpsburg-Shepherdstown Pike. This story makes
more sense if the pike is the Sharpsburg-Hagerstown Pike but I
don't have the primary sources to confirm Gordon's and Shields's
stories. Shields did say that after Stuart couldn't stop the
horses, enemy pickets fired on the horses and the horses turned
back. This could not have happened on the SS Pike but was more
likely if the horses headed north on the Hagerstown Pike.
Certainly Stuart and some of his staff were out and about on the
night of the 16th/17th so it is not impossible that the JDL was
near the SS tpke and that Stuart did try to help with the
stampede but it makes more sense to me that if the JDL supported
Jackson during the afternoon/evening, then they did not return
all the way to Sharpsburg. If they stayed further north, then
Sorrel's story makes more sense as does Shields's.
At this point, I will have to look at all the sources again to
come up with a reasonable explanation of the "stampede" but I'm
leaning towards the location near the Sharpsburg-Hagerstown Tpke.
- And we can't forget the raincoat Stonewall had on the night he was shot; it is at the VMI museum and a picture is on their website. It has the two bullet holes in the left sleeve.
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:
> For what it's worth, even though it was very early in the war, when CSA
> Gen Felix Zollicoffer was killed in the battle of Mill Springs in KY on
> Jan 19, 1862, he was wearing either a "white rubber" or "light drab
> overcoat buttoned to the chin." Due to the rain and hanging smoke, he
> managed to ride right through the Federal lines unmolested and was only
> shot when he spoke to a US officer on his way back out. One of the
> accounts said that a US Lt. Col was wearing a similar coat, so nobody
> thought anything about it.
> Dave McGowan
> Thomas Clemens wrote:
> > To parse terms with you for a moment, officers purchase all of their
> > own clothing and equipment and although guidelines are published, a
> > certain lattitude is in what they wear and use. Lee's talma and
> > overalls were likely rubberized and privately purchased. Jackson was
> > wearing a rubberized coat when he was shot.
> > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
> > Professor of History
> > Hagerstown Community College
> > >>> "Teej Smith" <teej@... <mailto:teej%40nc.rr.com>> 04/04/09
> > 1:01 PM >>>
> > Larry wrote:
> > Teej,
> > I see only Sorrel mentioning this--do you have other sources
> > mentioning raingear?
> > Sorry, no I don't. In fact the only other place I've "over-alls"
> > mentioned was in connection with a Union soldier at Ball's Bluff.
> > Sorrel wrote, "It had rained and he (Lee) was wearing a rubber poncho
> > and over-alls, his body and legs being thus well protected." I suppose
> > they could be the canvas wear you described in your message but that
> > wouldn't be much protection from the rain. But perhaps from the mud?
> > Whatever they were, they must have been loose fitting because later
> > Sorrel wrote that while reaching for his bridle, Lee "tripped in his
> > over-alls and fell forward, not prone, but catching on his hands."
> > Sorrel then went on to describe the nature of Lee's injuries and to
> > note word of his being hurt reached the Northern newspapers which went
> > into great detail as to the nature of his injury. Their report was Lee
> > had been seriously wounded and even went so far as to describe how Lee
> > received his wound. Would like to see that newspaper report. Sorrel
> > confirmed Lee was able to ride a little by the time of Antietam.
> > However, I have seen a letter written by Lee in April 1863 in which he
> > said he was still having problems with one of his hands.
> > Regards,
> > Teej
> > .
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