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Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Moxley Sorrel and September 16th (Night)

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  • Dean Essig
    Great detail, Larry. Thanks! Too bad they don t show up on the CC maps. Gerry, Does Priest give a source for his positioning in the West Woods? ... [Non-text
    Message 1 of 31 , Apr 3 8:37 AM
      Great detail, Larry. Thanks!

      Too bad they don't show up on the CC maps.

      Gerry, Does Priest give a source for his positioning in the West Woods?

      On Apr 3, 2009, at 10:21 AM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:

      > Dean,
      > I think the reason it doesn't jibe is that the JDL wasn't with
      > Hampton at HF according to Carman. In some previous posts here,
      > there was a discussion of where the JD was and what it did. It was
      > on semi-detached duty according to Carman:
      > "When Hampton's cavalry brigade marched from Burkittsville on the
      > morning of September 14, part of
      > it went along the east base of South Mountain to Knoxville, on the
      > Potomac, and picketed the roads leading to Berlin and
      > Frederick. Two regiments crossed Brownsville Gap into Pleasant
      > Valley. One of these, the Jeff Davis Legion, with Hart's Battery
      > of six guns, was placed at Solomon's Gap in Elk Ridge. Colonel
      > Martin, commanding the regiment, threw out pickets
      > in the direction of the Potomac; some of these were encountered and
      > brushed away by the Union cavalry about 10:00 p.m.,
      > as it neared the bridge spanning the Antietam near its mouth. This
      > information was quickly carried to Martin, who was
      > surprised at news of an enemy in that direction, and, after a hasty
      > conference with some of his officers, the conclusion was reached
      > that McClellan's left wing had interposed between Jackson's forces
      > besieging Harper's Ferry and the Confederates
      > at Turner's Gap, Boonsboro, and Hagerstown.
      > Martin did not know the result of the day's fighting at South
      > Mountain, and, as his scouts reported a large Union force
      > south and west, he decided to fall back toward Hagerstown and
      > quickly set out in that direction, throwing scouts on the
      > cross-roads to the left, which reported the Union column (the
      > cavalry from Harper's Ferry) moving parallel to him up the
      > Potomac."
      > Here is something from Carman about the JDL on the 16th:
      > "After a short pursuit past the burning wagons, Martin withdrew to
      > Williamsport, crossed the Potomac, went down the Virginia side,
      > recrossed the river at Shepherdstown Ford
      > on the afternoon of the sixteenth, and rejoined his brigade at
      > Sharpsburg on the seventeenth."
      > Larry
      > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dean Essig <d.essig@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi Gerry!
      > >
      > > The Jeff Davis Legion (and the rest of Hampton's Cavalry Brigade) is
      > > following McLaws up from Harpers Ferry screening the march.
      > >
      > > This doesn't jive with Priest and makes Sorrel's story improbable.
      > >
      > > I'd welcome the correction if my info is wrong.
      > >
      > > Dean
      > >
      > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:07 AM, G E Mayers wrote:
      > >
      > > > 1. Where was the Jeff Davis Legion posted/encamped the night of
      > > > September 16? (According to Priest, the Jeff Davis Legion was in
      > > > the West Woods; he places Sorrel and the rest of Longstreet's
      > > > staff in the West Woods also.)
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >

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    • eighth_conn_inf
      And we can t forget the raincoat Stonewall had on the night he was shot; it is at the VMI museum and a picture is on their website. It has the two bullet holes
      Message 31 of 31 , Apr 10 8:38 AM
        And we can't forget the raincoat Stonewall had on the night he was shot; it is at the VMI museum and a picture is on their website. It has the two bullet holes in the left sleeve.



        --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:
        > For what it's worth, even though it was very early in the war, when CSA
        > Gen Felix Zollicoffer was killed in the battle of Mill Springs in KY on
        > Jan 19, 1862, he was wearing either a "white rubber" or "light drab
        > overcoat buttoned to the chin." Due to the rain and hanging smoke, he
        > managed to ride right through the Federal lines unmolested and was only
        > shot when he spoke to a US officer on his way back out. One of the
        > accounts said that a US Lt. Col was wearing a similar coat, so nobody
        > thought anything about it.
        > Dave McGowan
        > Thomas Clemens wrote:
        > >
        > > To parse terms with you for a moment, officers purchase all of their
        > > own clothing and equipment and although guidelines are published, a
        > > certain lattitude is in what they wear and use. Lee's talma and
        > > overalls were likely rubberized and privately purchased. Jackson was
        > > wearing a rubberized coat when he was shot.
        > >
        > > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
        > > Professor of History
        > > Hagerstown Community College
        > >
        > > >>> "Teej Smith" <teej@... <mailto:teej%40nc.rr.com>> 04/04/09
        > > 1:01 PM >>>
        > >
        > > Larry wrote:
        > >
        > > Teej,
        > >
        > > I see only Sorrel mentioning this--do you have other sources
        > > mentioning raingear?
        > >
        > > Sorry, no I don't. In fact the only other place I've "over-alls"
        > > mentioned was in connection with a Union soldier at Ball's Bluff.
        > > Sorrel wrote, "It had rained and he (Lee) was wearing a rubber poncho
        > > and over-alls, his body and legs being thus well protected." I suppose
        > > they could be the canvas wear you described in your message but that
        > > wouldn't be much protection from the rain. But perhaps from the mud?
        > > Whatever they were, they must have been loose fitting because later
        > > Sorrel wrote that while reaching for his bridle, Lee "tripped in his
        > > over-alls and fell forward, not prone, but catching on his hands."
        > >
        > > Sorrel then went on to describe the nature of Lee's injuries and to
        > > note word of his being hurt reached the Northern newspapers which went
        > > into great detail as to the nature of his injury. Their report was Lee
        > > had been seriously wounded and even went so far as to describe how Lee
        > > received his wound. Would like to see that newspaper report. Sorrel
        > > confirmed Lee was able to ride a little by the time of Antietam.
        > > However, I have seen a letter written by Lee in April 1863 in which he
        > > said he was still having problems with one of his hands.
        > >
        > > Regards,
        > > Teej
        > >
        > >
        > > .
        > >
        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        > >
        > >
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