Re: Muster Dates
OK, so it sounds like the ultimate definition of "green" is how much
you can find out about its previous drill/training. But isn't the
ultimate test of how well a green unit does is how it did during the
battle? Of course leadership/morale/food/weather/etc., all figure
into how a unit does for the first time under fire too.
Anyway, learning how much training a green unit had before the battle
is quite a challenge. I remember reading that some new units trained
on the march or in camp during the night--see my Conn. paper on MHO.
But that wouldn't compare to those units which spent weeks/months
Good luck in your endeavor and I look forward to seeing the game.
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "dean_essig" <dean_essig@...>
>such a thing goes well
> Hey Larry!
> While an extensive rating system would be very interesting to see,
> beyond my needs here.drill field to obtain
> I'm concerned about units that have not gotten enough time on the
> even the minimal proficiency an otherwise green (no combat) unitwould be expected to
> have.nutshell it makes the
> This status will affect the unit in a number of ways, but in a
> formation more sluggish and unwieldy as well as reducing itsability to generate firepower.
> There might be more effects (skittishness and such), but testingwill allow me to get to the
> point where I can tell when there is "enough" as opposed to "toomuch" or "not enough"
> effect (some of these units acquitted themselves well, they werejust clumsy).
>the previous experience
> So, the definition revolves around drill and training as opposed to
> of combat.<eighth_conn_inf@> wrote:
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "eighth_conn_inf"
> > Dean,
> > Looks like "green" may require your imposed definition. If you
> > it as a regiment with a majority of men who have never been inmen
> > combat, then you have a good list already. But as you point out
> > then "green" could also then mean a regiment with a majority of
> > who have been together for several months and have drilled, etc.,into
> > then that is a different kettle of fish (fresh fish). This would
> > include most of the heavy artillery units around DC which turned
> > excellent cannon fodder during the Overland Campaign.a
> > IMO, "green" means a regiment which never has been in combat. But
> > arguably a green regiment having drilled together and perhaps had
> > marksmanship training would likely be much more effective than
> > a "green" one which had none of that. I suppose you could assign
> > number from 1 to 10, 1 being brand new with no experience inanything
> > to 10 being a regiment which has been in combat several times.This
> > sounds like a great masters thesis topic.
> > Larry F.
- Dear Stephen,
One thing is clear...the Sunken Road slide, and I suspect the
others....are meant to be viewed in either a magic lantern or a
stereoscopic viewer of some sort.
This particular photo seems to be one of the more famed post view
views of the Sunken Road. The cabin in the distance is, IIRC,
that built for one of the freed slaves formerly owned by Mr
Piper. The cabin is on the edge of the Piper Farm property.
Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers
To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Recker" <recker@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:46 AM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Recher photo dates
>I am trying to date these photos/stereoviews taken by
> E.M. Recher.
> SUNKEN ROAD
> I believe the printing of this stereoview dates from 1880-1882.
> It is
> on a flat orange mount with rounded corners with no list on the
> It is in a series with views of Simon's dedication (1880). I
> have found
> the photo in three books with three different dates for the
> negative -
> 1872, 1877, and 1880. The log cabin is present in a 1904 view
> of the
> 130th PA veterans, so that does not help with the dating.