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  • eighth_conn_inf
    Jake, I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps. Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a profit but to contribute
    Message 1 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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      Jake,

      I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

      Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
      profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I would
      buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
      printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

      Larry

      --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
      <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
      >
      > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
      isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set
      of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
      color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
      shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
      years to a project like the Carman atlas.
      >
      > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of
      Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
      second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
      database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access
      to them at all.
      >
      > Best,
      >
      > --j
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
      > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
      > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
      >
      > Jake,
      >
      > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
      maps
      > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
      > let me know.
      >
      > Larry
      >
      > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
      > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
      of
      > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
      > >
      > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
      > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
      > >
      > > --j
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message ----
      > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
      > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
      > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
      > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
      > >
      > > Jake,
      > >
      > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
      be
      > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
      > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
      > > wonderful.
      > >
      > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
      > saw
      > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
      > Good
      > > luck on our recovery.
      > >
      > > Larry
      > >
      > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
      > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
      > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
      > > >
      > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
      > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
      last
      > I
      > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
      > > >
      > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
      > > >
      > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
      left
      > on
      > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
      > the
      > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
      > > appendix.
      > > >
      > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
      > > poisoning
      > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
      > ever
      > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
      > > >
      > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
      date.
      > As
      > > I
      > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
      > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
      > it'll
      > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
      > > physically
      > > > produce books.
      > > >
      > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
      to
      > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
      > for
      > > > Xmas deliveries.
      > > >
      > > > All best,
      > > >
      > > > --jake
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
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    • G E Mayers
      Larry; That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A
      Message 2 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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        Larry;

        That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam
        Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president.

        Yr. Obt. Svt.
        G E "Gerry" Mayers

        To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
        on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
        Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
        the Almighty God. --Anonymous
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...>
        To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27 AM
        Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update


        Jake,

        I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

        Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
        profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
        would
        buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
        printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

        Larry

        --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
        <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
        >
        > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
        > Books
        isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
        set
        of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
        color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
        shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
        recent
        years to a project like the Carman atlas.
        >
        > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
        > Library of
        Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
        second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
        database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
        access
        to them at all.
        >
        > Best,
        >
        > --j
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message ----
        > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
        > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
        > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
        >
        > Jake,
        >
        > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
        > Carmen-Cope
        maps
        > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
        > pls
        > let me know.
        >
        > Larry
        >
        > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
        > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
        > > sort
        of
        > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
        > >
        > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
        > > as
        > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
        > >
        > > --j
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message ----
        > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
        > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
        > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
        > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
        > >
        > > Jake,
        > >
        > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
        > > will
        be
        > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
        > > late,
        > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
        > > wonderful.
        > >
        > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
        > > first
        > saw
        > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
        > > done.
        > Good
        > > luck on our recovery.
        > >
        > > Larry
        > >
        > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
        > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
        > > > the
        > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
        > > >
        > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
        > > > from
        > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
        last
        > I
        > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
        > > >
        > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
        > > >
        > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
        left
        > on
        > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
        > > > to
        > the
        > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
        > > appendix.
        > > >
        > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
        > > poisoning
        > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
        > > > hospital
        > ever
        > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
        > > >
        > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
        date.
        > As
        > > I
        > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
        > > > 100%
        > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
        > > > done,
        > it'll
        > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
        > > physically
        > > > produce books.
        > > >
        > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
        > > > going
        to
        > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
        > > > time
        > for
        > > > Xmas deliveries.
        > > >
        > > > All best,
        > > >
        > > > --jake
        > > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
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        > > around
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        >
        >
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      • Joseph Pierro
        That s the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my publishers decided we couldn t use them in my book). The information contained on them is so
        Message 3 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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          That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The information contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say, any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL Atlas plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.

          Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good one. About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at Gettysburg did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin did three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each day).

          Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do is repoduce an already extant set of maps.

          From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.


          ----- Original Message ----
          From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
          To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
          Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

          Jake,

          I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

          Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
          profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I would
          buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
          printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

          Larry

          --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
          <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
          >
          > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
          isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set
          of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
          color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
          shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
          years to a project like the Carman atlas.
          >
          > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of
          Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
          second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
          database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access
          to them at all.
          >
          > Best,
          >
          > --j
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message ----
          > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
          > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
          > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
          > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
          >
          > Jake,
          >
          > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
          maps
          > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
          > let me know.
          >
          > Larry
          >
          > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
          > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
          > >
          > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
          of
          > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
          > >
          > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
          > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
          > >
          > > --j
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message ----
          > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
          > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
          > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
          > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
          > >
          > > Jake,
          > >
          > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
          be
          > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
          > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
          > > wonderful.
          > >
          > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
          > saw
          > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
          > Good
          > > luck on our recovery.
          > >
          > > Larry
          > >
          > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
          > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
          > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
          > > >
          > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
          > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
          last
          > I
          > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
          > > >
          > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
          > > >
          > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
          left
          > on
          > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
          > the
          > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
          > > appendix.
          > > >
          > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
          > > poisoning
          > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
          > ever
          > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
          > > >
          > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
          date.
          > As
          > > I
          > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
          > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
          > it'll
          > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
          > > physically
          > > > produce books.
          > > >
          > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
          to
          > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
          > for
          > > > Xmas deliveries.
          > > >
          > > > All best,
          > > >
          > > > --jake
          > > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
          > > Do You Yahoo!?
          > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
          > > http://mail. yahoo.com
          > >
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          > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
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        • eighth_conn_inf
          Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman s maps? I didn t realize the version on the LOC website is the earlier one. Is the CD
          Message 4 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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            Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
            maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the earlier
            one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
            version?

            The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is the
            crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of the
            atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two versions
            by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you are
            correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using high
            res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
            students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.

            The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
            cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
            set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
            include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
            print an order as well as any marketing expenses.

            Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?

            Larry


            --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
            <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
            >
            > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
            publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The information
            contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
            any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
            bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL Atlas
            plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
            >
            > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good one.
            About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at Gettysburg
            did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin did
            three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
            day).
            >
            > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
            woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do is
            repoduce an already extant set of maps.
            >
            > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
            image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
            scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
            sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message ----
            > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
            > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
            > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
            >
            > Jake,
            >
            > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
            >
            > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
            > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
            would
            > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
            > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
            >
            > Larry
            >
            > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
            > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
            > >
            > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
            > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
            set
            > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
            > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
            > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
            > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
            > >
            > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library
            of
            > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
            > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
            > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
            access
            > to them at all.
            > >
            > > Best,
            > >
            > > --j
            > >
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message ----
            > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
            > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
            > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
            > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
            > >
            > > Jake,
            > >
            > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
            > maps
            > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
            pls
            > > let me know.
            > >
            > > Larry
            > >
            > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
            > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
            > of
            > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
            > > >
            > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
            as
            > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
            > > >
            > > > --j
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ----- Original Message ----
            > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
            > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
            > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
            > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
            > > >
            > > > Jake,
            > > >
            > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
            will
            > be
            > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
            > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
            > > > wonderful.
            > > >
            > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
            first
            > > saw
            > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
            > > Good
            > > > luck on our recovery.
            > > >
            > > > Larry
            > > >
            > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
            > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
            > > > >
            > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
            the
            > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
            > > > >
            > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
            from
            > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
            > last
            > > I
            > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
            > > > >
            > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
            > > > >
            > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
            > left
            > > on
            > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
            to
            > > the
            > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
            > > > appendix.
            > > > >
            > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
            > > > poisoning
            > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
            > > ever
            > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
            > > > >
            > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
            > date.
            > > As
            > > > I
            > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
            > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
            > > it'll
            > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
            > > > physically
            > > > > produce books.
            > > > >
            > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
            going
            > to
            > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
            time
            > > for
            > > > > Xmas deliveries.
            > > > >
            > > > > All best,
            > > > >
            > > > > --jake
            > > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
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          • eighth_conn_inf
            Gerry, You have a good suggestion. I m sure SHAF would be concerned about making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those costs would be
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              Gerry,

              You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
              making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those
              costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
              shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an investment
              of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be something
              they would like after the initial sets are sold.

              Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?

              Larry



              --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Larry;
              >
              > That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam
              > Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president.
              >
              > Yr. Obt. Svt.
              > G E "Gerry" Mayers
              >
              > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
              > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
              > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
              > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...>
              > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27 AM
              > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
              >
              >
              > Jake,
              >
              > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
              >
              > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
              > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
              > would
              > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
              > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
              >
              > Larry
              >
              > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
              > <joseph_pierro@> wrote:
              > >
              > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
              > > Books
              > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
              > set
              > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
              > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
              > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
              > recent
              > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
              > >
              > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
              > > Library of
              > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
              > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
              > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
              > access
              > to them at all.
              > >
              > > Best,
              > >
              > > --j
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message ----
              > > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@>
              > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
              > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
              > >
              > > Jake,
              > >
              > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
              > > Carmen-Cope
              > maps
              > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
              > > pls
              > > let me know.
              > >
              > > Larry
              > >
              > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
              > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
              > > > sort
              > of
              > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
              > > >
              > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
              > > > as
              > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
              > > >
              > > > --j
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ----- Original Message ----
              > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
              > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
              > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
              > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
              > > >
              > > > Jake,
              > > >
              > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
              > > > will
              > be
              > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
              > > > late,
              > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
              > > > wonderful.
              > > >
              > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
              > > > first
              > > saw
              > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
              > > > done.
              > > Good
              > > > luck on our recovery.
              > > >
              > > > Larry
              > > >
              > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
              > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
              > > > > the
              > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
              > > > >
              > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
              > > > > from
              > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
              > last
              > > I
              > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
              > > > >
              > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
              > > > >
              > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
              > left
              > > on
              > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
              > > > > to
              > > the
              > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
              > > > appendix.
              > > > >
              > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
              > > > poisoning
              > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
              > > > > hospital
              > > ever
              > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
              > > > >
              > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
              > date.
              > > As
              > > > I
              > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
              > > > > 100%
              > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
              > > > > done,
              > > it'll
              > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
              > > > physically
              > > > > produce books.
              > > > >
              > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
              > > > > going
              > to
              > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
              > > > > time
              > > for
              > > > > Xmas deliveries.
              > > > >
              > > > > All best,
              > > > >
              > > > > --jake
              > > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
              > > > Do You Yahoo!?
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              > > > around
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              >
            • Thomas Clemens
              Larry, Save Historic Antietam Foundation at one time considered printing copies for sale, but the numbers did not work out. To print them large enough to be
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                Larry,
                Save Historic Antietam Foundation at one time considered printing
                copies for sale, but the numbers did not work out. To print them large
                enough to be legible is pretty pricey and we didn't think we could sell
                enough to make it worthwhile. Given the access of the LOC site, it is
                less likely now. If you have any ideas about production, we have 8x10
                photo negatives of all fourteen maps.


                Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
                Professor of History
                Hagerstown Community College



                >>> "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...> 10/29/2007 8:27 AM
                >>>
                Jake,

                I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

                Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I would
                buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

                Larry

                --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                >
                > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set
                of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                >
                > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of
                Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access
                to them at all.
                >
                > Best,
                >
                > --j
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message ----
                > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                >
                > Jake,
                >
                > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                maps
                > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
                > let me know.
                >
                > Larry
                >
                > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                > >
                > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                of
                > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                > >
                > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
                > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                > >
                > > --j
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message ----
                > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                > >
                > > Jake,
                > >
                > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
                be
                > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                > > wonderful.
                > >
                > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
                > saw
                > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                > Good
                > > luck on our recovery.
                > >
                > > Larry
                > >
                > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
                > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                > > >
                > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
                > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                last
                > I
                > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                > > >
                > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                > > >
                > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                left
                > on
                > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
                > the
                > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                > > appendix.
                > > >
                > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                > > poisoning
                > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                > ever
                > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                > > >
                > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                date.
                > As
                > > I
                > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                > it'll
                > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                > > physically
                > > > produce books.
                > > >
                > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
                to
                > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
                > for
                > > > Xmas deliveries.
                > > >
                > > > All best,
                > > >
                > > > --jake
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
                > > Do You Yahoo!?
                > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
                > > http://mail. yahoo.com
                > >
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                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Stephen Recker
                I just sold my set of Gettysburg Bachelder maps. They did not move fast and I sold them for a LOT less than the $250 retail price. I can t imagine that would
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                  I just sold my set of Gettysburg Bachelder maps. They did not move fast
                  and I sold them for a LOT less than the $250 retail price. I can't
                  imagine that would be a big money maker. Perhaps offering them on a
                  print-on-demand basis?

                  Stephen

                  On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 09:25 AM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:

                  > You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                  > making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those
                  > costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                  > shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an investment
                  > of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be something
                  > they would like after the initial sets are sold.
                  >
                  > Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?
                  >
                • Joseph Pierro
                  Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they re BOTH of the first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why
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                    Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each edition--is beyond me

                    How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of that what you will. I can say that in some instances the position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label that was left off of a particular plate.

                    I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.

                    As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the Gettysburg VC.


                    ----- Original Message ----
                    From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                    To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                    Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                    Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                    maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the earlier
                    one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                    version?

                    The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is the
                    crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of the
                    atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two versions
                    by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you are
                    correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using high
                    res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                    students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.

                    The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                    cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                    set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                    include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                    print an order as well as any marketing expenses.

                    Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?

                    Larry


                    --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                    <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                    >
                    > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                    publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The information
                    contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                    any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                    bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL Atlas
                    plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                    >
                    > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good one.
                    About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at Gettysburg
                    did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin did
                    three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                    day).
                    >
                    > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                    woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do is
                    repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                    >
                    > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                    image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                    scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                    sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message ----
                    > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                    > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                    > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                    > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                    >
                    > Jake,
                    >
                    > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                    >
                    > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                    > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                    would
                    > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                    > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                    >
                    > Larry
                    >
                    > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                    > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                    > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                    set
                    > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                    > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                    > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                    > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                    > >
                    > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library
                    of
                    > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                    > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                    > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                    access
                    > to them at all.
                    > >
                    > > Best,
                    > >
                    > > --j
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message ----
                    > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                    > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                    > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                    > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                    > >
                    > > Jake,
                    > >
                    > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                    > maps
                    > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                    pls
                    > > let me know.
                    > >
                    > > Larry
                    > >
                    > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                    > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                    > of
                    > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                    > > >
                    > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                    as
                    > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                    > > >
                    > > > --j
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ----- Original Message ----
                    > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                    > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                    > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                    > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                    > > >
                    > > > Jake,
                    > > >
                    > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                    will
                    > be
                    > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                    > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                    > > > wonderful.
                    > > >
                    > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                    first
                    > > saw
                    > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                    > > Good
                    > > > luck on our recovery.
                    > > >
                    > > > Larry
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                    > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                    the
                    > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                    from
                    > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                    > last
                    > > I
                    > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                    > > > >
                    > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                    > left
                    > > on
                    > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                    to
                    > > the
                    > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                    > > > appendix.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                    > > > poisoning
                    > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                    > > ever
                    > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                    > > > >
                    > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                    > date.
                    > > As
                    > > > I
                    > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                    > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                    > > it'll
                    > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                    > > > physically
                    > > > > produce books.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                    going
                    > to
                    > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                    time
                    > > for
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                    Yes, the full Bachelder set of 28 maps (37 x 27 1/2 ) was reprinted in color by Morningside Books of Dayton, Ohio, some years ago. The item still appears on
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                      Yes, the full Bachelder set of 28 maps (37" x 27 1/2") was reprinted in color by Morningside Books of Dayton, Ohio, some years ago. The item still appears on their website (morningsidebooksDOTcom).

                      What would it cost to make a reproducable image of each Carman map? What is the production cost to print them? What's the market demand for the map sets? I couldn't begin to answer any of these questions. (Fairly or not, Gettysburg exists on an order of magnitude apart from any other CW battle in terms of marketplace interest.)

                      My sense, though, is that if any non profit were to try and tackle such a project, they'd need to apply for a grant from some organization or foundation to cover the costs. I'd be REALLY surprised if the economics of such an undertaking would allow such a project to break even, let alone run in the black.

                      --jake


                      ----- Original Message ----
                      From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                      To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:25:45 AM
                      Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                      Gerry,

                      You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                      making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those
                      costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                      shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an investment
                      of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be something
                      they would like after the initial sets are sold.

                      Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?

                      Larry

                      --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@. ..>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > Larry;
                      >
                      > That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam
                      > Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president.
                      >
                      > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                      > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                      >
                      > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                      > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                      > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                      > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "eighth_conn_ inf" <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                      > To: <TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com>
                      > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27 AM
                      > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                      >
                      >
                      > Jake,
                      >
                      > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                      >
                      > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                      > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                      > would
                      > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                      > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                      >
                      > Larry
                      >
                      > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                      > <joseph_pierro@ > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                      > > Books
                      > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                      > set
                      > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                      > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                      > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                      > recent
                      > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                      > >
                      > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                      > > Library of
                      > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                      > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                      > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                      > access
                      > to them at all.
                      > >
                      > > Best,
                      > >
                      > > --j
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message ----
                      > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                      > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                      > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                      > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                      > >
                      > > Jake,
                      > >
                      > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                      > > Carmen-Cope
                      > maps
                      > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                      > > pls
                      > > let me know.
                      > >
                      > > Larry
                      > >
                      > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                      > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                      > > > sort
                      > of
                      > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                      > > >
                      > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                      > > > as
                      > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                      > > >
                      > > > --j
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ----- Original Message ----
                      > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                      > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                      > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                      > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                      > > >
                      > > > Jake,
                      > > >
                      > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                      > > > will
                      > be
                      > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                      > > > late,
                      > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                      > > > wonderful.
                      > > >
                      > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                      > > > first
                      > > saw
                      > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                      > > > done.
                      > > Good
                      > > > luck on our recovery.
                      > > >
                      > > > Larry
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                      > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                      > > > > from
                      > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                      > last
                      > > I
                      > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                      > > > >
                      > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                      > left
                      > > on
                      > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                      > > > > to
                      > > the
                      > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                      > > > appendix.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                      > > > poisoning
                      > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                      > > > > hospital
                      > > ever
                      > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                      > > > >
                      > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                      > date.
                      > > As
                      > > > I
                      > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                      > > > > 100%
                      > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                      > > > > done,
                      > > it'll
                      > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                      > > > physically
                      > > > > produce books.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                      > > > > going
                      > to
                      > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                      > > > > time
                      > > for
                      > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > All best,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --jake
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                      > > >
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                      Joe; The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
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                        Joe;

                        The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC.

                        Yr. Obt. Svt.
                        G E "Gerry" Mayers

                        To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                        on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                        Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                        the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@...>
                        To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:39 PM
                        Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update


                        > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate
                        > scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the
                        > first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same
                        > edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each
                        > edition--is beyond me
                        >
                        > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                        > Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to
                        > justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of
                        > that what you will. I can say that in some instances the
                        > position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one
                        > edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter
                        > of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label
                        > that was left off of a particular plate.
                        >
                        > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't
                        > say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info
                        > appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first
                        > edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.
                        >
                        > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                        > (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                        > interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                        > Gettysburg VC.
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message ----
                        > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                        > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                        > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                        >
                        > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of
                        > Carman's
                        > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                        > earlier
                        > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                        > version?
                        >
                        > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas
                        > is the
                        > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings
                        > of the
                        > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                        > versions
                        > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So
                        > you are
                        > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                        > high
                        > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                        > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                        >
                        > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can
                        > the
                        > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at
                        > $250 a
                        > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                        > include the minimum number a printer would require before it
                        > would
                        > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                        >
                        > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                        >
                        > Larry
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                        > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                        >>
                        >> That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                        > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                        > information
                        > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to,
                        > say,
                        > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                        > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                        > Atlas
                        > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                        >>
                        >> Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                        >> one.
                        > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                        > Gettysburg
                        > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom
                        > Desjardin did
                        > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for
                        > each
                        > day).
                        >>
                        >> Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then
                        >> you
                        > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to
                        > do is
                        > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                        >>
                        >> From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                        > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates
                        > high-res
                        > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even
                        > on a
                        > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> ----- Original Message ----
                        >> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                        >> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                        >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                        >> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                        >>
                        >> Jake,
                        >>
                        >> I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                        >>
                        >> Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make
                        >> a
                        >> profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                        > would
                        >> buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as
                        >> being
                        >> printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                        >>
                        >> Larry
                        >>
                        >> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                        >> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                        >> >
                        >> > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                        >> > Books
                        >> isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the
                        >> full
                        > set
                        >> of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in
                        >> full
                        >> color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose
                        >> (they
                        >> shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                        >> recent
                        >> years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                        >> >
                        >> > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                        >> > Library
                        > of
                        >> Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                        >> second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant
                        >> digital
                        >> database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                        > access
                        >> to them at all.
                        >> >
                        >> > Best,
                        >> >
                        >> > --j
                        >> >
                        >> >
                        >> > ----- Original Message ----
                        >> > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                        >> > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                        >> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                        >> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                        >> >
                        >> > Jake,
                        >> >
                        >> > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                        >> > Carmen-Cope
                        >> maps
                        >> > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to
                        >> > help,
                        > pls
                        >> > let me know.
                        >> >
                        >> > Larry
                        >> >
                        >> > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                        >> > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                        >> > >
                        >> > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                        >> > > sort
                        >> of
                        >> > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                        >> > >
                        >> > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
                        >> > > might
                        > as
                        >> > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                        >> > >
                        >> > > --j
                        >> > >
                        >> > >
                        >> > > ----- Original Message ----
                        >> > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                        >> > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                        >> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                        >> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                        >> > >
                        >> > > Jake,
                        >> > >
                        >> > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that
                        >> > > you
                        > will
                        >> be
                        >> > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                        >> > > late,
                        >> > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will
                        >> > > be
                        >> > > wonderful.
                        >> > >
                        >> > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                        > first
                        >> > saw
                        >> > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                        >> > > done.
                        >> > Good
                        >> > > luck on our recovery.
                        >> > >
                        >> > > Larry
                        >> > >
                        >> > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                        >> > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats)
                        >> > > > on
                        > the
                        >> > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was
                        >> > > > coming
                        > from
                        >> > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book,
                        >> > > > when
                        >> last
                        >> > I
                        >> > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of
                        >> > > > work
                        >> left
                        >> > on
                        >> > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to
                        >> > > > go
                        > to
                        >> > the
                        >> > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with
                        >> > > > the
                        >> > > appendix.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with
                        >> > > > food
                        >> > > poisoning
                        >> > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                        >> > > > hospital
                        >> > ever
                        >> > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new
                        >> > > > release
                        >> date.
                        >> > As
                        >> > > I
                        >> > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                        >> > > > 100%
                        >> > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                        >> > > > done,
                        >> > it'll
                        >> > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and
                        >> > > > then
                        >> > > physically
                        >> > > > produce books.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                        > going
                        >> to
                        >> > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship
                        >> > > > in
                        > time
                        >> > for
                        >> > > > Xmas deliveries.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > All best,
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > --jake
                        >> > > >
                        >> > >
                        >> > >
                        >> > >
                        >> > >
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                      • Joseph Pierro
                        Gerry: We might be talking past each other. The 1904 edition of the ATLAS is the original edition of that book. The maps themselves predate that, but their
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                          Gerry:

                          We might be talking past each other.

                          The 1904 edition of the ATLAS is the original edition of that book. The maps themselves predate that, but their first appearance bound in book form is 1904.

                          A revised version of the ATLAS was then issued in 1908.

                          Are their revisions between the original Carman-Cope maps from the 1890s and what was printed and bound in 1904? Yes. (As anyone on this board who has every published anything knows, one is constantly tweaking the final product.)

                          When I talk about originals and revisions, however, I'm only speaking of the ATLAS itself as a bound book, not the individual map plates inside. 1904 isn't the date of the first maps, but it's the first date of a bound BOOK of maps.

                          --jake


                          ----- Original Message ----
                          From: G E Mayers <gerry1952@...>
                          To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:57:08 PM
                          Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                          Joe;

                          The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC.

                          Yr. Obt. Svt.
                          G E "Gerry" Mayers

                          To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                          on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                          Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                          the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@ yahoo.com>
                          To: <TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com>
                          Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:39 PM
                          Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                          > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate
                          > scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the
                          > first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same
                          > edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each
                          > edition--is beyond me
                          >
                          > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                          > Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to
                          > justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of
                          > that what you will. I can say that in some instances the
                          > position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one
                          > edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter
                          > of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label
                          > that was left off of a particular plate.
                          >
                          > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't
                          > say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info
                          > appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first
                          > edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.
                          >
                          > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                          > (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                          > interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                          > Gettysburg VC.
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message ----
                          > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@yahoo. com>
                          > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                          > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                          > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                          >
                          > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of
                          > Carman's
                          > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                          > earlier
                          > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                          > version?
                          >
                          > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas
                          > is the
                          > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings
                          > of the
                          > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                          > versions
                          > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So
                          > you are
                          > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                          > high
                          > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                          > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                          >
                          > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can
                          > the
                          > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at
                          > $250 a
                          > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                          > include the minimum number a printer would require before it
                          > would
                          > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                          >
                          > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                          >
                          > Larry
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                          > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                          >>
                          >> That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                          > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                          > information
                          > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to,
                          > say,
                          > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                          > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                          > Atlas
                          > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                          >>
                          >> Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                          >> one.
                          > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                          > Gettysburg
                          > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom
                          > Desjardin did
                          > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for
                          > each
                          > day).
                          >>
                          >> Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then
                          >> you
                          > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to
                          > do is
                          > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                          >>
                          >> From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                          > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates
                          > high-res
                          > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even
                          > on a
                          > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> ----- Original Message ----
                          >> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                          >> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                          >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                          >> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                          >>
                          >> Jake,
                          >>
                          >> I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                          >>
                          >> Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make
                          >> a
                          >> profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                          > would
                          >> buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as
                          >> being
                          >> printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                          >>
                          >> Larry
                          >>
                          >> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                          >> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                          >> >
                          >> > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                          >> > Books
                          >> isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the
                          >> full
                          > set
                          >> of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in
                          >> full
                          >> color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose
                          >> (they
                          >> shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                          >> recent
                          >> years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                          >> >
                          >> > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                          >> > Library
                          > of
                          >> Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                          >> second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant
                          >> digital
                          >> database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                          > access
                          >> to them at all.
                          >> >
                          >> > Best,
                          >> >
                          >> > --j
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > ----- Original Message ----
                          >> > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                          >> > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                          >> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                          >> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                          >> >
                          >> > Jake,
                          >> >
                          >> > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                          >> > Carmen-Cope
                          >> maps
                          >> > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to
                          >> > help,
                          > pls
                          >> > let me know.
                          >> >
                          >> > Larry
                          >> >
                          >> > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                          >> > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                          >> > > sort
                          >> of
                          >> > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                          >> > >
                          >> > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
                          >> > > might
                          > as
                          >> > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                          >> > >
                          >> > > --j
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > > ----- Original Message ----
                          >> > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                          >> > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                          >> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                          >> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Jake,
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that
                          >> > > you
                          > will
                          >> be
                          >> > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                          >> > > late,
                          >> > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will
                          >> > > be
                          >> > > wonderful.
                          >> > >
                          >> > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                          > first
                          >> > saw
                          >> > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                          >> > > done.
                          >> > Good
                          >> > > luck on our recovery.
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Larry
                          >> > >
                          >> > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                          >> > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats)
                          >> > > > on
                          > the
                          >> > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was
                          >> > > > coming
                          > from
                          >> > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book,
                          >> > > > when
                          >> last
                          >> > I
                          >> > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of
                          >> > > > work
                          >> left
                          >> > on
                          >> > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to
                          >> > > > go
                          > to
                          >> > the
                          >> > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with
                          >> > > > the
                          >> > > appendix.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with
                          >> > > > food
                          >> > > poisoning
                          >> > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                          >> > > > hospital
                          >> > ever
                          >> > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new
                          >> > > > release
                          >> date.
                          >> > As
                          >> > > I
                          >> > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                          >> > > > 100%
                          >> > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                          >> > > > done,
                          >> > it'll
                          >> > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and
                          >> > > > then
                          >> > > physically
                          >> > > > produce books.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                          > going
                          >> to
                          >> > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship
                          >> > > > in
                          > time
                          >> > for
                          >> > > > Xmas deliveries.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > All best,
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > --jake
                          >> > > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
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                        • eighth_conn_inf
                          Stephen, Sorry I didn t know you had a set for sale--did you put them on eBay? If yes, under what category? Do you have another set for sale? Larry F. ...
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                            Stephen,

                            Sorry I didn't know you had a set for sale--did you put them on eBay?
                            If "yes," under what category? Do you have another set for sale?

                            Larry F.


                            --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...>
                            wrote:
                            >
                            > I just sold my set of Gettysburg Bachelder maps. They did not move
                            fast
                            > and I sold them for a LOT less than the $250 retail price. I can't
                            > imagine that would be a big money maker. Perhaps offering them on a
                            > print-on-demand basis?
                            >
                            > Stephen
                            >
                            > On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 09:25 AM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:
                            >
                            > > You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                            > > making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if
                            those
                            > > costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                            > > shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an
                            investment
                            > > of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be
                            something
                            > > they would like after the initial sets are sold.
                            > >
                            > > Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?
                            > >
                            >
                          • G E Mayers
                            Ok. Thanks for the clarification. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one s mother s side, is
                            Message 13 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                              Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

                              Yr. Obt. Svt.
                              G E "Gerry" Mayers

                              To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                              on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                              Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                              the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@...>
                              To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:13 PM
                              Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update


                              > Gerry:
                              >
                              > We might be talking past each other.
                              >
                              > The 1904 edition of the ATLAS is the original edition of that
                              > book. The maps themselves predate that, but their first
                              > appearance bound in book form is 1904.
                              >
                              > A revised version of the ATLAS was then issued in 1908.
                              >
                              > Are their revisions between the original Carman-Cope maps from
                              > the 1890s and what was printed and bound in 1904? Yes. (As
                              > anyone on this board who has every published anything knows,
                              > one is constantly tweaking the final product.)
                              >
                              > When I talk about originals and revisions, however, I'm only
                              > speaking of the ATLAS itself as a bound book, not the
                              > individual map plates inside. 1904 isn't the date of the first
                              > maps, but it's the first date of a bound BOOK of maps.
                              >
                              > --jake
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message ----
                              > From: G E Mayers <gerry1952@...>
                              > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:57:08 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                              >
                              > Joe;
                              >
                              > The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC.
                              >
                              > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                              > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                              >
                              > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                              > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                              > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
                              > from
                              > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@ yahoo.com>
                              > To: <TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com>
                              > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:39 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                              >
                              >> Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate
                              >> scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the
                              >> first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same
                              >> edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each
                              >> edition--is beyond me
                              >>
                              >> How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                              >> Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to
                              >> justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of
                              >> that what you will. I can say that in some instances the
                              >> position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one
                              >> edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter
                              >> of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label
                              >> that was left off of a particular plate.
                              >>
                              >> I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't
                              >> say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info
                              >> appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first
                              >> edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.
                              >>
                              >> As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                              >> (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                              >> interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                              >> Gettysburg VC.
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> ----- Original Message ----
                              >> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@yahoo. com>
                              >> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                              >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                              >> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                              >>
                              >> Are there substantive changes between the two versions of
                              >> Carman's
                              >> maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                              >> earlier
                              >> one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                              >> version?
                              >>
                              >> The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas
                              >> is the
                              >> crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings
                              >> of the
                              >> atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                              >> versions
                              >> by different publishers and they are noticably different. So
                              >> you are
                              >> correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals
                              >> using
                              >> high
                              >> res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most
                              >> serious
                              >> students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                              >>
                              >> The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can
                              >> the
                              >> cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at
                              >> $250 a
                              >> set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                              >> include the minimum number a printer would require before it
                              >> would
                              >> print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                              >>
                              >> Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                              >>
                              >> Larry
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                              >> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                              >>>
                              >>> That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle,
                              >>> my
                              >> publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                              >> information
                              >> contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to,
                              >> say,
                              >> any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find
                              >> in
                              >> bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                              >> Atlas
                              >> plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                              >>>
                              >>> Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                              >>> one.
                              >> About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                              >> Gettysburg
                              >> did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom
                              >> Desjardin did
                              >> three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for
                              >> each
                              >> day).
                              >>>
                              >>> Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then
                              >>> you
                              >> woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to
                              >> do is
                              >> repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                              >>>
                              >>> From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing
                              >>> the
                              >> image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates
                              >> high-res
                              >> scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even
                              >> on a
                              >> sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> ----- Original Message ----
                              >>> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                              >>> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                              >>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                              >>> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                              >>>
                              >>> Jake,
                              >>>
                              >>> I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                              >>>
                              >>> Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to
                              >>> make
                              >>> a
                              >>> profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization?
                              >>> I
                              >> would
                              >>> buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as
                              >>> being
                              >>> printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                              >>>
                              >>> Larry
                              >>>
                              >>> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                              >>> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                              >>> >
                              >>> > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                              >>> > Books
                              >>> isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the
                              >>> full
                              >> set
                              >>> of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in
                              >>> full
                              >>> color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose
                              >>> (they
                              >>> shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                              >>> recent
                              >>> years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                              >>> >
                              >>> > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                              >>> > Library
                              >> of
                              >>> Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan
                              >>> the
                              >>> second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant
                              >>> digital
                              >>> database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not
                              >>> having
                              >> access
                              >>> to them at all.
                              >>> >
                              >>> > Best,
                              >>> >
                              >>> > --j
                              >>> >
                              >>> >
                              >>> > ----- Original Message ----
                              >>> > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                              >>> > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                              >>> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                              >>> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                              >>> >
                              >>> > Jake,
                              >>> >
                              >>> > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                              >>> > Carmen-Cope
                              >>> maps
                              >>> > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to
                              >>> > help,
                              >> pls
                              >>> > let me know.
                              >>> >
                              >>> > Larry
                              >>> >
                              >>> > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                              >>> > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't
                              >>> > > some
                              >>> > > sort
                              >>> of
                              >>> > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
                              >>> > > might
                              >> as
                              >>> > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > > --j
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > > ----- Original Message ----
                              >>> > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                              >>> > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                              >>> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                              >>> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > > Jake,
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that
                              >>> > > you
                              >> will
                              >>> be
                              >>> > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                              >>> > > late,
                              >>> > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened
                              >>> > > will
                              >>> > > be
                              >>> > > wonderful.
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when
                              >>> > > I
                              >> first
                              >>> > saw
                              >>> > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                              >>> > > done.
                              >>> > Good
                              >>> > > luck on our recovery.
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > > Larry
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                              >>> > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                              >>> > > >
                              >>> > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats)
                              >>> > > > on
                              >> the
                              >>> > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                              >>> > > >
                              >>> > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was
                              >>> > > > coming
                              >> from
                              >>> > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book,
                              >>> > > > when
                              >>> last
                              >>> > I
                              >>> > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                              >>> > > >
                              >>> > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                              >>> > > >
                              >>> > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of
                              >>> > > > work
                              >>> left
                              >>> > on
                              >>> > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready
                              >>> > > > to
                              >>> > > > go
                              >> to
                              >>> > the
                              >>> > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with
                              >>> > > > the
                              >>> > > appendix.
                              >>> > > >
                              >>> > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with
                              >>> > > > food
                              >>> > > poisoning
                              >>> > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                              >>> > > > hospital
                              >>> > ever
                              >>> > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                              >>> > > >
                              >>> > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new
                              >>> > > > release
                              >>> date.
                              >>> > As
                              >>> > > I
                              >>> > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I
                              >>> > > > was
                              >>> > > > 100%
                              >>> > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                              >>> > > > done,
                              >>> > it'll
                              >>> > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and
                              >>> > > > then
                              >>> > > physically
                              >>> > > > produce books.
                              >>> > > >
                              >>> > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December.
                              >>> > > > I'm
                              >> going
                              >>> to
                              >>> > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship
                              >>> > > > in
                              >> time
                              >>> > for
                              >>> > > > Xmas deliveries.
                              >>> > > >
                              >>> > > > All best,
                              >>> > > >
                              >>> > > > --jake
                              >>> > > >
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > >
                              >>> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
                              >>> > > Do You Yahoo!?
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                              >>> > > around
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                            • eighth_conn_inf
                              I ve only found one source on line--Morningside--at $250!! Poor me. ... eBay?
                              Message 14 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                                I've only found one source on line--Morningside--at $250!! Poor me.

                                --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Larry,
                                >
                                > Sorry. All gone. No more.
                                >
                                > Stephen
                                >
                                > On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 12:38 PM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:
                                >
                                > > Sorry I didn't know you had a set for sale--did you put them on
                                eBay?
                                > > If "yes," under what category? Do you have another set for sale?
                                > >
                                >
                              • Stephen Recker
                                Larry, Sorry. All gone. No more. Stephen
                                Message 15 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                                  Larry,

                                  Sorry. All gone. No more.

                                  Stephen

                                  On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 12:38 PM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:

                                  > Sorry I didn't know you had a set for sale--did you put them on eBay?
                                  > If "yes," under what category? Do you have another set for sale?
                                  >
                                • Brian Richardson
                                  There seems to be no copyright info in the documentation that accompanies the map CD sold in the bookstore, but the maps themselves have a 1904 date. Brian
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                                    There seems to be no copyright info in the documentation that
                                    accompanies the map CD sold in the bookstore, but the maps themselves
                                    have a 1904 date.

                                    Brian Richardson


                                    --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                                    <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of
                                    the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the first (1904)
                                    edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same edition twice--
                                    instead of digitizing one set of each edition--is beyond me
                                    >
                                    > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                    Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to justify
                                    reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of that what you
                                    will. I can say that in some instances the position of a given
                                    regiment is substantively changed from one edition to the next, while
                                    in many others it's simply a matter of correcting a typo on one of
                                    the maps or adding in a label that was left off of a particular
                                    plate.
                                    >
                                    > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't say
                                    which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info appears
                                    somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first edition; if 1908,
                                    it's the 2d.
                                    >
                                    > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                    (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                    interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                    Gettysburg VC.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message ----
                                    > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                                    > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                    > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                    >
                                    > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                                    > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                    earlier
                                    > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                    > version?
                                    >
                                    > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is
                                    the
                                    > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of
                                    the
                                    > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                    versions
                                    > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you
                                    are
                                    > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                                    high
                                    > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                    > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                    >
                                    > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                                    > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                                    > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                    > include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                                    > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                    >
                                    > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                    >
                                    > Larry
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                    > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                    > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                    information
                                    > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                                    > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                    > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                    Atlas
                                    > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                    > >
                                    > > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                    one.
                                    > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                    Gettysburg
                                    > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin
                                    did
                                    > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                                    > day).
                                    > >
                                    > > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                                    > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do
                                    is
                                    > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                    > >
                                    > > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                    > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                                    > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                                    > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ----- Original Message ----
                                    > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                    > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                    > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                    > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                    > >
                                    > > Jake,
                                    > >
                                    > > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                    > >
                                    > > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                    > > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                    > would
                                    > > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                    > > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                    > >
                                    > > Larry
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                    > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                    Books
                                    > > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                    > set
                                    > > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                    > > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                    > > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                    recent
                                    > > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                    Library
                                    > of
                                    > > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                    > > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                    > > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                    > access
                                    > > to them at all.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Best,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --j
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                    > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                    > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                    > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                    > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Jake,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-
                                    Cope
                                    > > maps
                                    > > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                                    > pls
                                    > > > let me know.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Larry
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                    > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                    sort
                                    > > of
                                    > > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                                    > as
                                    > > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --j
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                    > > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                    > > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                    > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                    > > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Jake,
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                                    > will
                                    > > be
                                    > > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                    late,
                                    > > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                    > > > > wonderful.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                    > first
                                    > > > saw
                                    > > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                    done.
                                    > > > Good
                                    > > > > luck on our recovery.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Larry
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                    > > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                                    > the
                                    > > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                                    > from
                                    > > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                    > > last
                                    > > > I
                                    > > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                    > > left
                                    > > > on
                                    > > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                                    > to
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                    > > > > appendix.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                    > > > > poisoning
                                    > > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                    hospital
                                    > > > ever
                                    > > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                    > > date.
                                    > > > As
                                    > > > > I
                                    > > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                    100%
                                    > > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                    done,
                                    > > > it'll
                                    > > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                    > > > > physically
                                    > > > > > produce books.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                    > going
                                    > > to
                                    > > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                                    > time
                                    > > > for
                                    > > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > All best,
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > --jake
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
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                                  • Joseph Pierro
                                    If the maps on that disc are dated 1904, then they re from the original edition of the Antietam Atlas. Given the fact that they are digitized on a CD, I m
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Oct 30, 2007
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                                      If the maps on that disc are dated 1904, then they're from the original edition of the Antietam Atlas.

                                      Given the fact that they are digitized on a CD, I'm willing to bet that the CD was made from the same set of scans that the LoC has now made available on its website.


                                      ----- Original Message ----
                                      From: Brian Richardson <BrianSRich@...>
                                      To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:53:07 AM
                                      Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                                      There seems to be no copyright info in the documentation that
                                      accompanies the map CD sold in the bookstore, but the maps themselves
                                      have a 1904 date.

                                      Brian Richardson

                                      --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                      <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of
                                      the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the first (1904)
                                      edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same edition twice--
                                      instead of digitizing one set of each edition--is beyond me
                                      >
                                      > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                      Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to justify
                                      reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of that what you
                                      will. I can say that in some instances the position of a given
                                      regiment is substantively changed from one edition to the next, while
                                      in many others it's simply a matter of correcting a typo on one of
                                      the maps or adding in a label that was left off of a particular
                                      plate.
                                      >
                                      > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't say
                                      which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info appears
                                      somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first edition; if 1908,
                                      it's the 2d.
                                      >
                                      > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                      (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                      interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                      Gettysburg VC.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message ----
                                      > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                      > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                      > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >
                                      > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                                      > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                      earlier
                                      > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                      > version?
                                      >
                                      > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is
                                      the
                                      > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of
                                      the
                                      > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                      versions
                                      > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you
                                      are
                                      > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                                      high
                                      > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                      > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                      >
                                      > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                                      > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                                      > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                      > include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                                      > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                      >
                                      > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                      >
                                      > Larry
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                      > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                      > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                      information
                                      > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                                      > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                      > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                      Atlas
                                      > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                      > >
                                      > > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                      one.
                                      > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                      Gettysburg
                                      > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin
                                      did
                                      > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                                      > day).
                                      > >
                                      > > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                                      > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do
                                      is
                                      > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                      > >
                                      > > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                      > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                                      > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                                      > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ----- Original Message ----
                                      > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                      > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                      > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      > >
                                      > > Jake,
                                      > >
                                      > > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                      > >
                                      > > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                      > > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                      > would
                                      > > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                      > > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                      > >
                                      > > Larry
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                      > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                      Books
                                      > > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                      > set
                                      > > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                      > > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                      > > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                      recent
                                      > > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                      Library
                                      > of
                                      > > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                      > > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                      > > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                      > access
                                      > > to them at all.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Best,
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --j
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                      > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                      > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                      > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Jake,
                                      > > >
                                      > > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-
                                      Cope
                                      > > maps
                                      > > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                                      > pls
                                      > > > let me know.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Larry
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                      > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                      sort
                                      > > of
                                      > > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                                      > as
                                      > > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --j
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                      > > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                      > > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                      > > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Jake,
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                                      > will
                                      > > be
                                      > > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                      late,
                                      > > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                      > > > > wonderful.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                      > first
                                      > > > saw
                                      > > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                      done.
                                      > > > Good
                                      > > > > luck on our recovery.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Larry
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                      > > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                                      > the
                                      > > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                                      > from
                                      > > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                      > > last
                                      > > > I
                                      > > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                      > > left
                                      > > > on
                                      > > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                                      > to
                                      > > > the
                                      > > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                      > > > > appendix.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                      > > > > poisoning
                                      > > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                      hospital
                                      > > > ever
                                      > > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                      > > date.
                                      > > > As
                                      > > > > I
                                      > > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                      100%
                                      > > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                      done,
                                      > > > it'll
                                      > > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                      > > > > physically
                                      > > > > > produce books.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                      > going
                                      > > to
                                      > > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                                      > time
                                      > > > for
                                      > > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > All best,
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > --jake
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
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                                    • eighth_conn_inf
                                      Jake, Could you contact me with a PM at killsour@hotmail.com with a question re your pub date moved to January 2008? Thank you, Larry Freiheit ... maps ... of
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Dec 17, 2007
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                                        Jake,

                                        Could you contact me with a PM at killsour@... with a
                                        question re your pub date moved to January 2008?

                                        Thank you,

                                        Larry Freiheit


                                        --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "eighth_conn_inf"
                                        <eighth_conn_inf@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Jake,
                                        >
                                        > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                                        maps
                                        > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
                                        > let me know.
                                        >
                                        > Larry
                                        >
                                        > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                                        > <joseph_pierro@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                                        of
                                        > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                        > >
                                        > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
                                        > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                        > >
                                        > > --j
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > ----- Original Message ----
                                        > > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@>
                                        > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                        > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                        > >
                                        > > Jake,
                                        > >
                                        > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
                                        be
                                        > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                                        > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                        > > wonderful.
                                        > >
                                        > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
                                        > saw
                                        > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                                        > Good
                                        > > luck on our recovery.
                                        > >
                                        > > Larry
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                        > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
                                        > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
                                        > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                        last
                                        > I
                                        > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                        > > >
                                        > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                        left
                                        > on
                                        > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
                                        > the
                                        > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                        > > appendix.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                        > > poisoning
                                        > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                                        > ever
                                        > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                        > > >
                                        > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                        date.
                                        > As
                                        > > I
                                        > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                                        > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                                        > it'll
                                        > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                        > > physically
                                        > > > produce books.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
                                        to
                                        > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
                                        > for
                                        > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > All best,
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --jake
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > __________________________________________________
                                        > > Do You Yahoo!?
                                        > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
                                        > > http://mail.yahoo.com
                                        > >
                                        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                        > >
                                        >
                                      • eighth_conn_inf
                                        Tom, I know a photographer who might be able to help. Do you have any specifics on the negatives you have? Are they the 1908 version? Larry ... large ... sell
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Dec 31, 2007
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                                          Tom,

                                          I know a photographer who might be able to help. Do you have any
                                          specifics on the negatives you have? Are they the 1908 version?

                                          Larry


                                          --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
                                          wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Larry,
                                          > Save Historic Antietam Foundation at one time considered printing
                                          > copies for sale, but the numbers did not work out. To print them
                                          large
                                          > enough to be legible is pretty pricey and we didn't think we could
                                          sell
                                          > enough to make it worthwhile. Given the access of the LOC site, it
                                          is
                                          > less likely now. If you have any ideas about production, we have
                                          8x10
                                          > photo negatives of all fourteen maps.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
                                          > Professor of History
                                          > Hagerstown Community College
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > >>> "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...> 10/29/2007 8:27 AM
                                          > >>>
                                          > Jake,
                                          >
                                          > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                          >
                                          > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                          > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                          would
                                          > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                          > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                          >
                                          > Larry
                                          >
                                          > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                                          > <joseph_pierro@> wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                                          > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                          set
                                          > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                          > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                          > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                                          > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                          > >
                                          > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library
                                          of
                                          > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                          > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                          > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                          access
                                          > to them at all.
                                          > >
                                          > > Best,
                                          > >
                                          > > --j
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