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  • eighth_conn_inf
    Jake, We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope maps to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls let me know.
    Message 1 of 26 , Oct 27, 2007
      Jake,

      We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope maps
      to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
      let me know.

      Larry

      --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
      <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
      >
      > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of
      pharonic curse on this manuscript.
      >
      > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
      well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
      >
      > --j
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
      > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
      > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
      >
      > Jake,
      >
      > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be
      > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
      > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
      > wonderful.
      >
      > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
      saw
      > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
      Good
      > luck on our recovery.
      >
      > Larry
      >
      > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
      > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
      > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
      > >
      > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
      > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when last
      I
      > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
      > >
      > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
      > >
      > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work left
      on
      > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
      the
      > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
      > appendix.
      > >
      > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
      > poisoning
      > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
      ever
      > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
      > >
      > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release date.
      As
      > I
      > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
      > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
      it'll
      > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
      > physically
      > > produce books.
      > >
      > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going to
      > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
      for
      > > Xmas deliveries.
      > >
      > > All best,
      > >
      > > --jake
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • Thomas Clemens
      Well, it did not curse me, at least not yet. I am negotiating a contract to finish my edited version, with maps, in the near future. And, I already have had
      Message 2 of 26 , Oct 28, 2007
        Well, it did not curse me, at least not yet. I am negotiating a
        contract to finish my edited version, with maps, in the near future.
        And, I already have had my appendix removed!

        Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
        Professor of History
        Hagerstown Community College


        >>> "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...> 10/27/07 8:46 PM >>>
        Jake,

        We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope maps
        to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
        let me know.

        Larry

        --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
        <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
        >
        > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of
        pharonic curse on this manuscript.
        >
        > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
        well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
        >
        > --j
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message ----
        > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
        > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
        > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
        >
        > Jake,
        >
        > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be
        > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
        > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
        > wonderful.
        >
        > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
        saw
        > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
        Good
        > luck on our recovery.
        >
        > Larry
        >
        > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
        > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
        > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
        > >
        > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
        > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when last
        I
        > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
        > >
        > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
        > >
        > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work left
        on
        > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
        the
        > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
        > appendix.
        > >
        > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
        > poisoning
        > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
        ever
        > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
        > >
        > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release date.
        As
        > I
        > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
        > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
        it'll
        > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
        > physically
        > > produce books.
        > >
        > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going to
        > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
        for
        > > Xmas deliveries.
        > >
        > > All best,
        > >
        > > --jake
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >
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      • Joseph Pierro
        You know, it s a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books isn t with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set of Bachelder maps from
        Message 3 of 26 , Oct 28, 2007
          You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent years to a project like the Carman atlas.

          Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access to them at all.

          Best,

          --j


          ----- Original Message ----
          From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
          To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
          Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

          Jake,

          We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope maps
          to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
          let me know.

          Larry

          --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
          <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
          >
          > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of
          pharonic curse on this manuscript.
          >
          > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
          well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
          >
          > --j
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message ----
          > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
          > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
          > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
          > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
          >
          > Jake,
          >
          > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be
          > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
          > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
          > wonderful.
          >
          > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
          saw
          > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
          Good
          > luck on our recovery.
          >
          > Larry
          >
          > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
          > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
          > >
          > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
          > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
          > >
          > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
          > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when last
          I
          > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
          > >
          > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
          > >
          > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work left
          on
          > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
          the
          > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
          > appendix.
          > >
          > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
          > poisoning
          > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
          ever
          > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
          > >
          > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release date.
          As
          > I
          > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
          > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
          it'll
          > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
          > physically
          > > produce books.
          > >
          > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going to
          > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
          for
          > > Xmas deliveries.
          > >
          > > All best,
          > >
          > > --jake
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
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        • Joseph Pierro
          Congrats, Tom!!! I m glad to know your work too may come to fruition. As for that curse, though, your manuscript isn t finished yet. Give it time. ;) --j ...
          Message 4 of 26 , Oct 28, 2007
            Congrats, Tom!!! I'm glad to know your work too may come to fruition.

            As for that curse, though, your manuscript isn't finished yet. Give it time. ;)

            --j


            ----- Original Message ----
            From: Thomas Clemens <clemenst@...>
            To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:40:27 AM
            Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

            Well, it did not curse me, at least not yet. I am negotiating a
            contract to finish my edited version, with maps, in the near future.
            And, I already have had my appendix removed!

            Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
            Professor of History
            Hagerstown Community College

            >>> "eighth_conn_ inf" <eighth_conn_ inf@yahoo. com> 10/27/07 8:46 PM >>>
            Jake,

            We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope maps
            to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
            let me know.

            Larry

            --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
            <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
            >
            > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of
            pharonic curse on this manuscript.
            >
            > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
            well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
            >
            > --j
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message ----
            > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
            > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
            > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
            > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
            >
            > Jake,
            >
            > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be
            > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
            > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
            > wonderful.
            >
            > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
            saw
            > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
            Good
            > luck on our recovery.
            >
            > Larry
            >
            > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
            > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
            > >
            > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
            > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
            > >
            > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
            > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when last
            I
            > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
            > >
            > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
            > >
            > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work left
            on
            > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
            the
            > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
            > appendix.
            > >
            > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
            > poisoning
            > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
            ever
            > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
            > >
            > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release date.
            As
            > I
            > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
            > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
            it'll
            > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
            > physically
            > > produce books.
            > >
            > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going to
            > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
            for
            > > Xmas deliveries.
            > >
            > > All best,
            > >
            > > --jake
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
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          • eighth_conn_inf
            Jake, I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps. Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a profit but to contribute
            Message 5 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
              Jake,

              I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

              Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
              profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I would
              buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
              printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

              Larry

              --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
              <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
              >
              > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
              isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set
              of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
              color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
              shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
              years to a project like the Carman atlas.
              >
              > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of
              Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
              second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
              database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access
              to them at all.
              >
              > Best,
              >
              > --j
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message ----
              > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
              > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
              > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
              >
              > Jake,
              >
              > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
              maps
              > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
              > let me know.
              >
              > Larry
              >
              > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
              > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
              > >
              > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
              of
              > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
              > >
              > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
              > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
              > >
              > > --j
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message ----
              > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
              > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
              > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
              > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
              > >
              > > Jake,
              > >
              > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
              be
              > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
              > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
              > > wonderful.
              > >
              > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
              > saw
              > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
              > Good
              > > luck on our recovery.
              > >
              > > Larry
              > >
              > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
              > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
              > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
              > > >
              > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
              > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
              last
              > I
              > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
              > > >
              > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
              > > >
              > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
              left
              > on
              > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
              > the
              > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
              > > appendix.
              > > >
              > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
              > > poisoning
              > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
              > ever
              > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
              > > >
              > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
              date.
              > As
              > > I
              > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
              > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
              > it'll
              > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
              > > physically
              > > > produce books.
              > > >
              > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
              to
              > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
              > for
              > > > Xmas deliveries.
              > > >
              > > > All best,
              > > >
              > > > --jake
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
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              > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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            • G E Mayers
              Larry; That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A
              Message 6 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                Larry;

                That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam
                Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president.

                Yr. Obt. Svt.
                G E "Gerry" Mayers

                To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27 AM
                Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update


                Jake,

                I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

                Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                would
                buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

                Larry

                --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                >
                > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                > Books
                isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                set
                of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                recent
                years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                >
                > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                > Library of
                Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                access
                to them at all.
                >
                > Best,
                >
                > --j
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message ----
                > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                >
                > Jake,
                >
                > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                > Carmen-Cope
                maps
                > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                > pls
                > let me know.
                >
                > Larry
                >
                > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                > >
                > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                > > sort
                of
                > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                > >
                > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                > > as
                > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                > >
                > > --j
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message ----
                > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                > >
                > > Jake,
                > >
                > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                > > will
                be
                > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                > > late,
                > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                > > wonderful.
                > >
                > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                > > first
                > saw
                > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                > > done.
                > Good
                > > luck on our recovery.
                > >
                > > Larry
                > >
                > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                > > > the
                > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                > > >
                > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                > > > from
                > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                last
                > I
                > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                > > >
                > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                > > >
                > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                left
                > on
                > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                > > > to
                > the
                > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                > > appendix.
                > > >
                > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                > > poisoning
                > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                > > > hospital
                > ever
                > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                > > >
                > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                date.
                > As
                > > I
                > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                > > > 100%
                > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                > > > done,
                > it'll
                > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                > > physically
                > > > produce books.
                > > >
                > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                > > > going
                to
                > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                > > > time
                > for
                > > > Xmas deliveries.
                > > >
                > > > All best,
                > > >
                > > > --jake
                > > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
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              • Joseph Pierro
                That s the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my publishers decided we couldn t use them in my book). The information contained on them is so
                Message 7 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                  That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The information contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say, any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL Atlas plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.

                  Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good one. About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at Gettysburg did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin did three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each day).

                  Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do is repoduce an already extant set of maps.

                  From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.


                  ----- Original Message ----
                  From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                  To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                  Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                  Jake,

                  I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

                  Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                  profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I would
                  buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                  printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

                  Larry

                  --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                  <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                  >
                  > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                  isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set
                  of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                  color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                  shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                  years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                  >
                  > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of
                  Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                  second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                  database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access
                  to them at all.
                  >
                  > Best,
                  >
                  > --j
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message ----
                  > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                  > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                  > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                  > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                  >
                  > Jake,
                  >
                  > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                  maps
                  > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
                  > let me know.
                  >
                  > Larry
                  >
                  > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                  > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                  of
                  > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                  > >
                  > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
                  > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                  > >
                  > > --j
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message ----
                  > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                  > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                  > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                  > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                  > >
                  > > Jake,
                  > >
                  > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
                  be
                  > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                  > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                  > > wonderful.
                  > >
                  > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
                  > saw
                  > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                  > Good
                  > > luck on our recovery.
                  > >
                  > > Larry
                  > >
                  > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                  > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
                  > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                  > > >
                  > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
                  > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                  last
                  > I
                  > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                  > > >
                  > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                  > > >
                  > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                  left
                  > on
                  > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
                  > the
                  > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                  > > appendix.
                  > > >
                  > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                  > > poisoning
                  > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                  > ever
                  > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                  > > >
                  > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                  date.
                  > As
                  > > I
                  > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                  > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                  > it'll
                  > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                  > > physically
                  > > > produce books.
                  > > >
                  > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
                  to
                  > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
                  > for
                  > > > Xmas deliveries.
                  > > >
                  > > > All best,
                  > > >
                  > > > --jake
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
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                • eighth_conn_inf
                  Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman s maps? I didn t realize the version on the LOC website is the earlier one. Is the CD
                  Message 8 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                    Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                    maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the earlier
                    one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                    version?

                    The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is the
                    crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of the
                    atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two versions
                    by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you are
                    correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using high
                    res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                    students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.

                    The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                    cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                    set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                    include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                    print an order as well as any marketing expenses.

                    Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?

                    Larry


                    --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                    <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                    publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The information
                    contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                    any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                    bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL Atlas
                    plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                    >
                    > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good one.
                    About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at Gettysburg
                    did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin did
                    three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                    day).
                    >
                    > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                    woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do is
                    repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                    >
                    > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                    image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                    scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                    sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message ----
                    > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                    > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                    > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                    >
                    > Jake,
                    >
                    > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                    >
                    > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                    > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                    would
                    > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                    > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                    >
                    > Larry
                    >
                    > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                    > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                    > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                    set
                    > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                    > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                    > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                    > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                    > >
                    > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library
                    of
                    > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                    > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                    > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                    access
                    > to them at all.
                    > >
                    > > Best,
                    > >
                    > > --j
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message ----
                    > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                    > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                    > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                    > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                    > >
                    > > Jake,
                    > >
                    > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                    > maps
                    > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                    pls
                    > > let me know.
                    > >
                    > > Larry
                    > >
                    > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                    > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                    > of
                    > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                    > > >
                    > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                    as
                    > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                    > > >
                    > > > --j
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ----- Original Message ----
                    > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                    > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                    > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                    > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                    > > >
                    > > > Jake,
                    > > >
                    > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                    will
                    > be
                    > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                    > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                    > > > wonderful.
                    > > >
                    > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                    first
                    > > saw
                    > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                    > > Good
                    > > > luck on our recovery.
                    > > >
                    > > > Larry
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                    > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                    the
                    > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                    from
                    > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                    > last
                    > > I
                    > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                    > > > >
                    > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                    > left
                    > > on
                    > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                    to
                    > > the
                    > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                    > > > appendix.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                    > > > poisoning
                    > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                    > > ever
                    > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                    > > > >
                    > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                    > date.
                    > > As
                    > > > I
                    > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                    > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                    > > it'll
                    > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                    > > > physically
                    > > > > produce books.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                    going
                    > to
                    > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                    time
                    > > for
                    > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > All best,
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --jake
                    > > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
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                    > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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                  • eighth_conn_inf
                    Gerry, You have a good suggestion. I m sure SHAF would be concerned about making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those costs would be
                    Message 9 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                      Gerry,

                      You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                      making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those
                      costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                      shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an investment
                      of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be something
                      they would like after the initial sets are sold.

                      Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?

                      Larry



                      --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > Larry;
                      >
                      > That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam
                      > Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president.
                      >
                      > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                      > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                      >
                      > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                      > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                      > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                      > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                      > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27 AM
                      > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                      >
                      >
                      > Jake,
                      >
                      > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                      >
                      > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                      > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                      > would
                      > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                      > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                      >
                      > Larry
                      >
                      > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                      > <joseph_pierro@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                      > > Books
                      > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                      > set
                      > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                      > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                      > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                      > recent
                      > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                      > >
                      > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                      > > Library of
                      > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                      > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                      > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                      > access
                      > to them at all.
                      > >
                      > > Best,
                      > >
                      > > --j
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message ----
                      > > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@>
                      > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                      > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                      > >
                      > > Jake,
                      > >
                      > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                      > > Carmen-Cope
                      > maps
                      > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                      > > pls
                      > > let me know.
                      > >
                      > > Larry
                      > >
                      > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                      > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                      > > > sort
                      > of
                      > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                      > > >
                      > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                      > > > as
                      > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                      > > >
                      > > > --j
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ----- Original Message ----
                      > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                      > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                      > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                      > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                      > > >
                      > > > Jake,
                      > > >
                      > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                      > > > will
                      > be
                      > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                      > > > late,
                      > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                      > > > wonderful.
                      > > >
                      > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                      > > > first
                      > > saw
                      > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                      > > > done.
                      > > Good
                      > > > luck on our recovery.
                      > > >
                      > > > Larry
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                      > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                      > > > > from
                      > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                      > last
                      > > I
                      > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                      > > > >
                      > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                      > left
                      > > on
                      > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                      > > > > to
                      > > the
                      > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                      > > > appendix.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                      > > > poisoning
                      > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                      > > > > hospital
                      > > ever
                      > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                      > > > >
                      > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                      > date.
                      > > As
                      > > > I
                      > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                      > > > > 100%
                      > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                      > > > > done,
                      > > it'll
                      > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                      > > > physically
                      > > > > produce books.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                      > > > > going
                      > to
                      > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                      > > > > time
                      > > for
                      > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > All best,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --jake
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
                      > > > Do You Yahoo!?
                      > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection
                      > > > around
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                    • Thomas Clemens
                      Larry, Save Historic Antietam Foundation at one time considered printing copies for sale, but the numbers did not work out. To print them large enough to be
                      Message 10 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                        Larry,
                        Save Historic Antietam Foundation at one time considered printing
                        copies for sale, but the numbers did not work out. To print them large
                        enough to be legible is pretty pricey and we didn't think we could sell
                        enough to make it worthwhile. Given the access of the LOC site, it is
                        less likely now. If you have any ideas about production, we have 8x10
                        photo negatives of all fourteen maps.


                        Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
                        Professor of History
                        Hagerstown Community College



                        >>> "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...> 10/29/2007 8:27 AM
                        >>>
                        Jake,

                        I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

                        Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                        profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I would
                        buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                        printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

                        Larry

                        --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                        <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                        isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set
                        of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                        color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                        shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                        years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                        >
                        > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of
                        Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                        second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                        database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access
                        to them at all.
                        >
                        > Best,
                        >
                        > --j
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message ----
                        > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                        > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                        > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                        >
                        > Jake,
                        >
                        > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                        maps
                        > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
                        > let me know.
                        >
                        > Larry
                        >
                        > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                        > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                        of
                        > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                        > >
                        > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
                        > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                        > >
                        > > --j
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message ----
                        > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                        > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                        > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                        > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                        > >
                        > > Jake,
                        > >
                        > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
                        be
                        > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                        > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                        > > wonderful.
                        > >
                        > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
                        > saw
                        > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                        > Good
                        > > luck on our recovery.
                        > >
                        > > Larry
                        > >
                        > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                        > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
                        > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                        > > >
                        > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
                        > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                        last
                        > I
                        > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                        > > >
                        > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                        > > >
                        > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                        left
                        > on
                        > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
                        > the
                        > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                        > > appendix.
                        > > >
                        > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                        > > poisoning
                        > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                        > ever
                        > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                        > > >
                        > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                        date.
                        > As
                        > > I
                        > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                        > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                        > it'll
                        > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                        > > physically
                        > > > produce books.
                        > > >
                        > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
                        to
                        > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
                        > for
                        > > > Xmas deliveries.
                        > > >
                        > > > All best,
                        > > >
                        > > > --jake
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
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                      • Stephen Recker
                        I just sold my set of Gettysburg Bachelder maps. They did not move fast and I sold them for a LOT less than the $250 retail price. I can t imagine that would
                        Message 11 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                          I just sold my set of Gettysburg Bachelder maps. They did not move fast
                          and I sold them for a LOT less than the $250 retail price. I can't
                          imagine that would be a big money maker. Perhaps offering them on a
                          print-on-demand basis?

                          Stephen

                          On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 09:25 AM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:

                          > You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                          > making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those
                          > costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                          > shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an investment
                          > of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be something
                          > they would like after the initial sets are sold.
                          >
                          > Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?
                          >
                        • Joseph Pierro
                          Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they re BOTH of the first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why
                          Message 12 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                            Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each edition--is beyond me

                            How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of that what you will. I can say that in some instances the position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label that was left off of a particular plate.

                            I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.

                            As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the Gettysburg VC.


                            ----- Original Message ----
                            From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                            To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                            Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                            Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                            maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the earlier
                            one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                            version?

                            The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is the
                            crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of the
                            atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two versions
                            by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you are
                            correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using high
                            res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                            students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.

                            The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                            cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                            set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                            include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                            print an order as well as any marketing expenses.

                            Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?

                            Larry


                            --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                            <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                            >
                            > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                            publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The information
                            contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                            any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                            bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL Atlas
                            plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                            >
                            > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good one.
                            About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at Gettysburg
                            did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin did
                            three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                            day).
                            >
                            > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                            woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do is
                            repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                            >
                            > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                            image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                            scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                            sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message ----
                            > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                            > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                            > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                            > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                            >
                            > Jake,
                            >
                            > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                            >
                            > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                            > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                            would
                            > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                            > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                            >
                            > Larry
                            >
                            > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                            > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                            > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                            set
                            > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                            > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                            > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                            > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                            > >
                            > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library
                            of
                            > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                            > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                            > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                            access
                            > to them at all.
                            > >
                            > > Best,
                            > >
                            > > --j
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message ----
                            > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                            > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                            > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                            > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                            > >
                            > > Jake,
                            > >
                            > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                            > maps
                            > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                            pls
                            > > let me know.
                            > >
                            > > Larry
                            > >
                            > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                            > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                            > of
                            > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                            > > >
                            > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                            as
                            > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                            > > >
                            > > > --j
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ----- Original Message ----
                            > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                            > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                            > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                            > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                            > > >
                            > > > Jake,
                            > > >
                            > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                            will
                            > be
                            > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                            > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                            > > > wonderful.
                            > > >
                            > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                            first
                            > > saw
                            > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                            > > Good
                            > > > luck on our recovery.
                            > > >
                            > > > Larry
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                            > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                            the
                            > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                            from
                            > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                            > last
                            > > I
                            > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                            > > > >
                            > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                            > left
                            > > on
                            > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                            to
                            > > the
                            > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                            > > > appendix.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                            > > > poisoning
                            > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                            > > ever
                            > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                            > > > >
                            > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                            > date.
                            > > As
                            > > > I
                            > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                            > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                            > > it'll
                            > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                            > > > physically
                            > > > > produce books.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                            going
                            > to
                            > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                            time
                            > > for
                            > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > All best,
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --jake
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >
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                          • Joseph Pierro
                            Yes, the full Bachelder set of 28 maps (37 x 27 1/2 ) was reprinted in color by Morningside Books of Dayton, Ohio, some years ago. The item still appears on
                            Message 13 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                              Yes, the full Bachelder set of 28 maps (37" x 27 1/2") was reprinted in color by Morningside Books of Dayton, Ohio, some years ago. The item still appears on their website (morningsidebooksDOTcom).

                              What would it cost to make a reproducable image of each Carman map? What is the production cost to print them? What's the market demand for the map sets? I couldn't begin to answer any of these questions. (Fairly or not, Gettysburg exists on an order of magnitude apart from any other CW battle in terms of marketplace interest.)

                              My sense, though, is that if any non profit were to try and tackle such a project, they'd need to apply for a grant from some organization or foundation to cover the costs. I'd be REALLY surprised if the economics of such an undertaking would allow such a project to break even, let alone run in the black.

                              --jake


                              ----- Original Message ----
                              From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                              To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:25:45 AM
                              Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                              Gerry,

                              You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                              making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those
                              costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                              shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an investment
                              of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be something
                              they would like after the initial sets are sold.

                              Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?

                              Larry

                              --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@. ..>
                              wrote:
                              >
                              > Larry;
                              >
                              > That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam
                              > Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president.
                              >
                              > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                              > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                              >
                              > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                              > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                              > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                              > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "eighth_conn_ inf" <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                              > To: <TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com>
                              > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27 AM
                              > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                              >
                              >
                              > Jake,
                              >
                              > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                              >
                              > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                              > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                              > would
                              > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                              > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                              >
                              > Larry
                              >
                              > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                              > <joseph_pierro@ > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                              > > Books
                              > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                              > set
                              > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                              > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                              > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                              > recent
                              > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                              > >
                              > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                              > > Library of
                              > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                              > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                              > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                              > access
                              > to them at all.
                              > >
                              > > Best,
                              > >
                              > > --j
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ----- Original Message ----
                              > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                              > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                              > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                              > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                              > >
                              > > Jake,
                              > >
                              > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                              > > Carmen-Cope
                              > maps
                              > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                              > > pls
                              > > let me know.
                              > >
                              > > Larry
                              > >
                              > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                              > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                              > > > sort
                              > of
                              > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                              > > >
                              > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                              > > > as
                              > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                              > > >
                              > > > --j
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ----- Original Message ----
                              > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                              > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                              > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                              > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                              > > >
                              > > > Jake,
                              > > >
                              > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                              > > > will
                              > be
                              > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                              > > > late,
                              > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                              > > > wonderful.
                              > > >
                              > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                              > > > first
                              > > saw
                              > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                              > > > done.
                              > > Good
                              > > > luck on our recovery.
                              > > >
                              > > > Larry
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                              > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                              > > > > the
                              > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                              > > > > from
                              > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                              > last
                              > > I
                              > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                              > > > >
                              > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                              > left
                              > > on
                              > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                              > > > > to
                              > > the
                              > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                              > > > appendix.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                              > > > poisoning
                              > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                              > > > > hospital
                              > > ever
                              > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                              > > > >
                              > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                              > date.
                              > > As
                              > > > I
                              > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                              > > > > 100%
                              > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                              > > > > done,
                              > > it'll
                              > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                              > > > physically
                              > > > > produce books.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                              > > > > going
                              > to
                              > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                              > > > > time
                              > > for
                              > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > All best,
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --jake
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >
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                            • G E Mayers
                              Joe; The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
                              Message 14 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                                Joe;

                                The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC.

                                Yr. Obt. Svt.
                                G E "Gerry" Mayers

                                To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                                on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                                Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                                the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@...>
                                To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:39 PM
                                Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update


                                > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate
                                > scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the
                                > first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same
                                > edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each
                                > edition--is beyond me
                                >
                                > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                > Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to
                                > justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of
                                > that what you will. I can say that in some instances the
                                > position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one
                                > edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter
                                > of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label
                                > that was left off of a particular plate.
                                >
                                > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't
                                > say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info
                                > appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first
                                > edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.
                                >
                                > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                > (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                > interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                > Gettysburg VC.
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message ----
                                > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                                > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                >
                                > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of
                                > Carman's
                                > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                > earlier
                                > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                > version?
                                >
                                > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas
                                > is the
                                > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings
                                > of the
                                > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                > versions
                                > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So
                                > you are
                                > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                                > high
                                > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                >
                                > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can
                                > the
                                > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at
                                > $250 a
                                > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                > include the minimum number a printer would require before it
                                > would
                                > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                >
                                > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                >
                                > Larry
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                >>
                                >> That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                > information
                                > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to,
                                > say,
                                > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                > Atlas
                                > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                >>
                                >> Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                >> one.
                                > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                > Gettysburg
                                > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom
                                > Desjardin did
                                > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for
                                > each
                                > day).
                                >>
                                >> Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then
                                >> you
                                > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to
                                > do is
                                > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                >>
                                >> From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates
                                > high-res
                                > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even
                                > on a
                                > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> ----- Original Message ----
                                >> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                >> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                >> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                >>
                                >> Jake,
                                >>
                                >> I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                >>
                                >> Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make
                                >> a
                                >> profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                > would
                                >> buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as
                                >> being
                                >> printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                >>
                                >> Larry
                                >>
                                >> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                >> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                >> >
                                >> > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                >> > Books
                                >> isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the
                                >> full
                                > set
                                >> of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in
                                >> full
                                >> color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose
                                >> (they
                                >> shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                >> recent
                                >> years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                >> >
                                >> > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                >> > Library
                                > of
                                >> Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                >> second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant
                                >> digital
                                >> database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                > access
                                >> to them at all.
                                >> >
                                >> > Best,
                                >> >
                                >> > --j
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> > ----- Original Message ----
                                >> > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                >> > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                >> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                >> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                >> >
                                >> > Jake,
                                >> >
                                >> > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                                >> > Carmen-Cope
                                >> maps
                                >> > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to
                                >> > help,
                                > pls
                                >> > let me know.
                                >> >
                                >> > Larry
                                >> >
                                >> > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                >> > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                >> > >
                                >> > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                >> > > sort
                                >> of
                                >> > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                >> > >
                                >> > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
                                >> > > might
                                > as
                                >> > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                >> > >
                                >> > > --j
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > > ----- Original Message ----
                                >> > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                >> > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                >> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                >> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                >> > >
                                >> > > Jake,
                                >> > >
                                >> > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that
                                >> > > you
                                > will
                                >> be
                                >> > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                >> > > late,
                                >> > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will
                                >> > > be
                                >> > > wonderful.
                                >> > >
                                >> > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                > first
                                >> > saw
                                >> > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                >> > > done.
                                >> > Good
                                >> > > luck on our recovery.
                                >> > >
                                >> > > Larry
                                >> > >
                                >> > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                >> > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats)
                                >> > > > on
                                > the
                                >> > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was
                                >> > > > coming
                                > from
                                >> > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book,
                                >> > > > when
                                >> last
                                >> > I
                                >> > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of
                                >> > > > work
                                >> left
                                >> > on
                                >> > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to
                                >> > > > go
                                > to
                                >> > the
                                >> > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with
                                >> > > > the
                                >> > > appendix.
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with
                                >> > > > food
                                >> > > poisoning
                                >> > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                >> > > > hospital
                                >> > ever
                                >> > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new
                                >> > > > release
                                >> date.
                                >> > As
                                >> > > I
                                >> > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                >> > > > 100%
                                >> > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                >> > > > done,
                                >> > it'll
                                >> > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and
                                >> > > > then
                                >> > > physically
                                >> > > > produce books.
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                > going
                                >> to
                                >> > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship
                                >> > > > in
                                > time
                                >> > for
                                >> > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > All best,
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > --jake
                                >> > > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
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                              • Joseph Pierro
                                Gerry: We might be talking past each other. The 1904 edition of the ATLAS is the original edition of that book. The maps themselves predate that, but their
                                Message 15 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                                  Gerry:

                                  We might be talking past each other.

                                  The 1904 edition of the ATLAS is the original edition of that book. The maps themselves predate that, but their first appearance bound in book form is 1904.

                                  A revised version of the ATLAS was then issued in 1908.

                                  Are their revisions between the original Carman-Cope maps from the 1890s and what was printed and bound in 1904? Yes. (As anyone on this board who has every published anything knows, one is constantly tweaking the final product.)

                                  When I talk about originals and revisions, however, I'm only speaking of the ATLAS itself as a bound book, not the individual map plates inside. 1904 isn't the date of the first maps, but it's the first date of a bound BOOK of maps.

                                  --jake


                                  ----- Original Message ----
                                  From: G E Mayers <gerry1952@...>
                                  To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:57:08 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                                  Joe;

                                  The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC.

                                  Yr. Obt. Svt.
                                  G E "Gerry" Mayers

                                  To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                                  on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                                  Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                                  the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@ yahoo.com>
                                  To: <TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com>
                                  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:39 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                                  > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate
                                  > scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the
                                  > first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same
                                  > edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each
                                  > edition--is beyond me
                                  >
                                  > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                  > Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to
                                  > justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of
                                  > that what you will. I can say that in some instances the
                                  > position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one
                                  > edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter
                                  > of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label
                                  > that was left off of a particular plate.
                                  >
                                  > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't
                                  > say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info
                                  > appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first
                                  > edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.
                                  >
                                  > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                  > (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                  > interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                  > Gettysburg VC.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message ----
                                  > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@yahoo. com>
                                  > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                  > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                  > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                  >
                                  > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of
                                  > Carman's
                                  > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                  > earlier
                                  > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                  > version?
                                  >
                                  > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas
                                  > is the
                                  > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings
                                  > of the
                                  > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                  > versions
                                  > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So
                                  > you are
                                  > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                                  > high
                                  > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                  > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                  >
                                  > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can
                                  > the
                                  > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at
                                  > $250 a
                                  > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                  > include the minimum number a printer would require before it
                                  > would
                                  > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                  >
                                  > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                  >
                                  > Larry
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                  > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                  >>
                                  >> That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                  > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                  > information
                                  > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to,
                                  > say,
                                  > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                  > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                  > Atlas
                                  > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                  >>
                                  >> Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                  >> one.
                                  > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                  > Gettysburg
                                  > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom
                                  > Desjardin did
                                  > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for
                                  > each
                                  > day).
                                  >>
                                  >> Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then
                                  >> you
                                  > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to
                                  > do is
                                  > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                  >>
                                  >> From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                  > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates
                                  > high-res
                                  > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even
                                  > on a
                                  > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> ----- Original Message ----
                                  >> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                  >> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                  >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                  >> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                  >>
                                  >> Jake,
                                  >>
                                  >> I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                  >>
                                  >> Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make
                                  >> a
                                  >> profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                  > would
                                  >> buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as
                                  >> being
                                  >> printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                  >>
                                  >> Larry
                                  >>
                                  >> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                  >> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                  >> >
                                  >> > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                  >> > Books
                                  >> isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the
                                  >> full
                                  > set
                                  >> of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in
                                  >> full
                                  >> color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose
                                  >> (they
                                  >> shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                  >> recent
                                  >> years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                  >> > Library
                                  > of
                                  >> Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                  >> second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant
                                  >> digital
                                  >> database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                  > access
                                  >> to them at all.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Best,
                                  >> >
                                  >> > --j
                                  >> >
                                  >> >
                                  >> > ----- Original Message ----
                                  >> > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                  >> > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                  >> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                  >> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Jake,
                                  >> >
                                  >> > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                                  >> > Carmen-Cope
                                  >> maps
                                  >> > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to
                                  >> > help,
                                  > pls
                                  >> > let me know.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Larry
                                  >> >
                                  >> > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                  >> > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                  >> > > sort
                                  >> of
                                  >> > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
                                  >> > > might
                                  > as
                                  >> > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > --j
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > ----- Original Message ----
                                  >> > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                  >> > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                  >> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                  >> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > Jake,
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that
                                  >> > > you
                                  > will
                                  >> be
                                  >> > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                  >> > > late,
                                  >> > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will
                                  >> > > be
                                  >> > > wonderful.
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                  > first
                                  >> > saw
                                  >> > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                  >> > > done.
                                  >> > Good
                                  >> > > luck on our recovery.
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > Larry
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                  >> > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats)
                                  >> > > > on
                                  > the
                                  >> > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was
                                  >> > > > coming
                                  > from
                                  >> > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book,
                                  >> > > > when
                                  >> last
                                  >> > I
                                  >> > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of
                                  >> > > > work
                                  >> left
                                  >> > on
                                  >> > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to
                                  >> > > > go
                                  > to
                                  >> > the
                                  >> > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with
                                  >> > > > the
                                  >> > > appendix.
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with
                                  >> > > > food
                                  >> > > poisoning
                                  >> > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                  >> > > > hospital
                                  >> > ever
                                  >> > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new
                                  >> > > > release
                                  >> date.
                                  >> > As
                                  >> > > I
                                  >> > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                  >> > > > 100%
                                  >> > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                  >> > > > done,
                                  >> > it'll
                                  >> > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and
                                  >> > > > then
                                  >> > > physically
                                  >> > > > produce books.
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                  > going
                                  >> to
                                  >> > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship
                                  >> > > > in
                                  > time
                                  >> > for
                                  >> > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > All best,
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > --jake
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > >
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                                • eighth_conn_inf
                                  Stephen, Sorry I didn t know you had a set for sale--did you put them on eBay? If yes, under what category? Do you have another set for sale? Larry F. ...
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                                    Stephen,

                                    Sorry I didn't know you had a set for sale--did you put them on eBay?
                                    If "yes," under what category? Do you have another set for sale?

                                    Larry F.


                                    --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...>
                                    wrote:
                                    >
                                    > I just sold my set of Gettysburg Bachelder maps. They did not move
                                    fast
                                    > and I sold them for a LOT less than the $250 retail price. I can't
                                    > imagine that would be a big money maker. Perhaps offering them on a
                                    > print-on-demand basis?
                                    >
                                    > Stephen
                                    >
                                    > On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 09:25 AM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:
                                    >
                                    > > You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                                    > > making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if
                                    those
                                    > > costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                                    > > shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an
                                    investment
                                    > > of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be
                                    something
                                    > > they would like after the initial sets are sold.
                                    > >
                                    > > Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • G E Mayers
                                    Ok. Thanks for the clarification. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one s mother s side, is
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                                      Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

                                      Yr. Obt. Svt.
                                      G E "Gerry" Mayers

                                      To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                                      on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                                      Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                                      the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@...>
                                      To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:13 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update


                                      > Gerry:
                                      >
                                      > We might be talking past each other.
                                      >
                                      > The 1904 edition of the ATLAS is the original edition of that
                                      > book. The maps themselves predate that, but their first
                                      > appearance bound in book form is 1904.
                                      >
                                      > A revised version of the ATLAS was then issued in 1908.
                                      >
                                      > Are their revisions between the original Carman-Cope maps from
                                      > the 1890s and what was printed and bound in 1904? Yes. (As
                                      > anyone on this board who has every published anything knows,
                                      > one is constantly tweaking the final product.)
                                      >
                                      > When I talk about originals and revisions, however, I'm only
                                      > speaking of the ATLAS itself as a bound book, not the
                                      > individual map plates inside. 1904 isn't the date of the first
                                      > maps, but it's the first date of a bound BOOK of maps.
                                      >
                                      > --jake
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message ----
                                      > From: G E Mayers <gerry1952@...>
                                      > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:57:08 PM
                                      > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >
                                      > Joe;
                                      >
                                      > The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC.
                                      >
                                      > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                                      > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                                      >
                                      > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                                      > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                                      > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
                                      > from
                                      > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@ yahoo.com>
                                      > To: <TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com>
                                      > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:39 PM
                                      > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >
                                      >> Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate
                                      >> scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the
                                      >> first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same
                                      >> edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each
                                      >> edition--is beyond me
                                      >>
                                      >> How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                      >> Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to
                                      >> justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of
                                      >> that what you will. I can say that in some instances the
                                      >> position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one
                                      >> edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter
                                      >> of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label
                                      >> that was left off of a particular plate.
                                      >>
                                      >> I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't
                                      >> say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info
                                      >> appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first
                                      >> edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.
                                      >>
                                      >> As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                      >> (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                      >> interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                      >> Gettysburg VC.
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> ----- Original Message ----
                                      >> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@yahoo. com>
                                      >> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                      >> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >>
                                      >> Are there substantive changes between the two versions of
                                      >> Carman's
                                      >> maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                      >> earlier
                                      >> one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                      >> version?
                                      >>
                                      >> The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas
                                      >> is the
                                      >> crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings
                                      >> of the
                                      >> atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                      >> versions
                                      >> by different publishers and they are noticably different. So
                                      >> you are
                                      >> correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals
                                      >> using
                                      >> high
                                      >> res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most
                                      >> serious
                                      >> students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                      >>
                                      >> The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can
                                      >> the
                                      >> cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at
                                      >> $250 a
                                      >> set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                      >> include the minimum number a printer would require before it
                                      >> would
                                      >> print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                      >>
                                      >> Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                      >>
                                      >> Larry
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                      >> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      >>>
                                      >>> That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle,
                                      >>> my
                                      >> publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                      >> information
                                      >> contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to,
                                      >> say,
                                      >> any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find
                                      >> in
                                      >> bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                      >> Atlas
                                      >> plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                      >>> one.
                                      >> About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                      >> Gettysburg
                                      >> did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom
                                      >> Desjardin did
                                      >> three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for
                                      >> each
                                      >> day).
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then
                                      >>> you
                                      >> woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to
                                      >> do is
                                      >> repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing
                                      >>> the
                                      >> image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates
                                      >> high-res
                                      >> scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even
                                      >> on a
                                      >> sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> ----- Original Message ----
                                      >>> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                      >>> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      >>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                      >>> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Jake,
                                      >>>
                                      >>> I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to
                                      >>> make
                                      >>> a
                                      >>> profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization?
                                      >>> I
                                      >> would
                                      >>> buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as
                                      >>> being
                                      >>> printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Larry
                                      >>>
                                      >>> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                      >>> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                      >>> > Books
                                      >>> isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the
                                      >>> full
                                      >> set
                                      >>> of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in
                                      >>> full
                                      >>> color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose
                                      >>> (they
                                      >>> shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                      >>> recent
                                      >>> years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                      >>> > Library
                                      >> of
                                      >>> Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan
                                      >>> the
                                      >>> second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant
                                      >>> digital
                                      >>> database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not
                                      >>> having
                                      >> access
                                      >>> to them at all.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > Best,
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > --j
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > ----- Original Message ----
                                      >>> > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                      >>> > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      >>> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                      >>> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > Jake,
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                                      >>> > Carmen-Cope
                                      >>> maps
                                      >>> > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to
                                      >>> > help,
                                      >> pls
                                      >>> > let me know.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > Larry
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                      >>> > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't
                                      >>> > > some
                                      >>> > > sort
                                      >>> of
                                      >>> > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
                                      >>> > > might
                                      >> as
                                      >>> > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > --j
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > ----- Original Message ----
                                      >>> > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                      >>> > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      >>> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                      >>> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > Jake,
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that
                                      >>> > > you
                                      >> will
                                      >>> be
                                      >>> > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                      >>> > > late,
                                      >>> > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened
                                      >>> > > will
                                      >>> > > be
                                      >>> > > wonderful.
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when
                                      >>> > > I
                                      >> first
                                      >>> > saw
                                      >>> > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                      >>> > > done.
                                      >>> > Good
                                      >>> > > luck on our recovery.
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > Larry
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                      >>> > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats)
                                      >>> > > > on
                                      >> the
                                      >>> > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was
                                      >>> > > > coming
                                      >> from
                                      >>> > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book,
                                      >>> > > > when
                                      >>> last
                                      >>> > I
                                      >>> > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of
                                      >>> > > > work
                                      >>> left
                                      >>> > on
                                      >>> > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready
                                      >>> > > > to
                                      >>> > > > go
                                      >> to
                                      >>> > the
                                      >>> > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with
                                      >>> > > > the
                                      >>> > > appendix.
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with
                                      >>> > > > food
                                      >>> > > poisoning
                                      >>> > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                      >>> > > > hospital
                                      >>> > ever
                                      >>> > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new
                                      >>> > > > release
                                      >>> date.
                                      >>> > As
                                      >>> > > I
                                      >>> > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I
                                      >>> > > > was
                                      >>> > > > 100%
                                      >>> > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                      >>> > > > done,
                                      >>> > it'll
                                      >>> > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and
                                      >>> > > > then
                                      >>> > > physically
                                      >>> > > > produce books.
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December.
                                      >>> > > > I'm
                                      >> going
                                      >>> to
                                      >>> > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship
                                      >>> > > > in
                                      >> time
                                      >>> > for
                                      >>> > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > All best,
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > --jake
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > >
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                                    • eighth_conn_inf
                                      I ve only found one source on line--Morningside--at $250!! Poor me. ... eBay?
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                                        I've only found one source on line--Morningside--at $250!! Poor me.

                                        --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Larry,
                                        >
                                        > Sorry. All gone. No more.
                                        >
                                        > Stephen
                                        >
                                        > On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 12:38 PM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:
                                        >
                                        > > Sorry I didn't know you had a set for sale--did you put them on
                                        eBay?
                                        > > If "yes," under what category? Do you have another set for sale?
                                        > >
                                        >
                                      • Stephen Recker
                                        Larry, Sorry. All gone. No more. Stephen
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                                          Larry,

                                          Sorry. All gone. No more.

                                          Stephen

                                          On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 12:38 PM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:

                                          > Sorry I didn't know you had a set for sale--did you put them on eBay?
                                          > If "yes," under what category? Do you have another set for sale?
                                          >
                                        • Brian Richardson
                                          There seems to be no copyright info in the documentation that accompanies the map CD sold in the bookstore, but the maps themselves have a 1904 date. Brian
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
                                            There seems to be no copyright info in the documentation that
                                            accompanies the map CD sold in the bookstore, but the maps themselves
                                            have a 1904 date.

                                            Brian Richardson


                                            --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                                            <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of
                                            the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the first (1904)
                                            edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same edition twice--
                                            instead of digitizing one set of each edition--is beyond me
                                            >
                                            > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                            Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to justify
                                            reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of that what you
                                            will. I can say that in some instances the position of a given
                                            regiment is substantively changed from one edition to the next, while
                                            in many others it's simply a matter of correcting a typo on one of
                                            the maps or adding in a label that was left off of a particular
                                            plate.
                                            >
                                            > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't say
                                            which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info appears
                                            somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first edition; if 1908,
                                            it's the 2d.
                                            >
                                            > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                            (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                            interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                            Gettysburg VC.
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message ----
                                            > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                                            > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                            > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                            >
                                            > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                                            > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                            earlier
                                            > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                            > version?
                                            >
                                            > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is
                                            the
                                            > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of
                                            the
                                            > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                            versions
                                            > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you
                                            are
                                            > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                                            high
                                            > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                            > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                            >
                                            > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                                            > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                                            > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                            > include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                                            > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                            >
                                            > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                            >
                                            > Larry
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                            > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                            > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                            information
                                            > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                                            > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                            > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                            Atlas
                                            > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                            > >
                                            > > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                            one.
                                            > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                            Gettysburg
                                            > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin
                                            did
                                            > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                                            > day).
                                            > >
                                            > > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                                            > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do
                                            is
                                            > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                            > >
                                            > > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                            > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                                            > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                                            > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > ----- Original Message ----
                                            > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                            > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                            > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                            > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                            > >
                                            > > Jake,
                                            > >
                                            > > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                            > >
                                            > > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                            > > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                            > would
                                            > > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                            > > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                            > >
                                            > > Larry
                                            > >
                                            > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                            > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                            Books
                                            > > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                            > set
                                            > > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                            > > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                            > > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                            recent
                                            > > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                            Library
                                            > of
                                            > > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                            > > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                            > > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                            > access
                                            > > to them at all.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Best,
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --j
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                            > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                            > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                            > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                            > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Jake,
                                            > > >
                                            > > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-
                                            Cope
                                            > > maps
                                            > > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                                            > pls
                                            > > > let me know.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Larry
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                            > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                            sort
                                            > > of
                                            > > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                                            > as
                                            > > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > --j
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                            > > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                            > > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                            > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                            > > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Jake,
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                                            > will
                                            > > be
                                            > > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                            late,
                                            > > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                            > > > > wonderful.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                            > first
                                            > > > saw
                                            > > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                            done.
                                            > > > Good
                                            > > > > luck on our recovery.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Larry
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                            > > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                                            > the
                                            > > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                                            > from
                                            > > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                            > > last
                                            > > > I
                                            > > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                            > > left
                                            > > > on
                                            > > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                                            > to
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                            > > > > appendix.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                            > > > > poisoning
                                            > > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                            hospital
                                            > > > ever
                                            > > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                            > > date.
                                            > > > As
                                            > > > > I
                                            > > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                            100%
                                            > > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                            done,
                                            > > > it'll
                                            > > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                            > > > > physically
                                            > > > > > produce books.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                            > going
                                            > > to
                                            > > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                                            > time
                                            > > > for
                                            > > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > All best,
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > --jake
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
                                            > > > > Do You Yahoo!?
                                            > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection
                                            around
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                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
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                                          • Joseph Pierro
                                            If the maps on that disc are dated 1904, then they re from the original edition of the Antietam Atlas. Given the fact that they are digitized on a CD, I m
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Oct 30, 2007
                                              If the maps on that disc are dated 1904, then they're from the original edition of the Antietam Atlas.

                                              Given the fact that they are digitized on a CD, I'm willing to bet that the CD was made from the same set of scans that the LoC has now made available on its website.


                                              ----- Original Message ----
                                              From: Brian Richardson <BrianSRich@...>
                                              To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:53:07 AM
                                              Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                                              There seems to be no copyright info in the documentation that
                                              accompanies the map CD sold in the bookstore, but the maps themselves
                                              have a 1904 date.

                                              Brian Richardson

                                              --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                              <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of
                                              the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the first (1904)
                                              edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same edition twice--
                                              instead of digitizing one set of each edition--is beyond me
                                              >
                                              > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                              Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to justify
                                              reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of that what you
                                              will. I can say that in some instances the position of a given
                                              regiment is substantively changed from one edition to the next, while
                                              in many others it's simply a matter of correcting a typo on one of
                                              the maps or adding in a label that was left off of a particular
                                              plate.
                                              >
                                              > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't say
                                              which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info appears
                                              somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first edition; if 1908,
                                              it's the 2d.
                                              >
                                              > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                              (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                              interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                              Gettysburg VC.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message ----
                                              > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                              > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                              > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                              > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                              >
                                              > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                                              > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                              earlier
                                              > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                              > version?
                                              >
                                              > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is
                                              the
                                              > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of
                                              the
                                              > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                              versions
                                              > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you
                                              are
                                              > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                                              high
                                              > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                              > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                              >
                                              > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                                              > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                                              > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                              > include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                                              > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                              >
                                              > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                              >
                                              > Larry
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                              > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                              > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                              information
                                              > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                                              > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                              > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                              Atlas
                                              > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                              > >
                                              > > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                              one.
                                              > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                              Gettysburg
                                              > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin
                                              did
                                              > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                                              > day).
                                              > >
                                              > > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                                              > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do
                                              is
                                              > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                              > >
                                              > > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                              > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                                              > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                                              > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > ----- Original Message ----
                                              > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                              > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                              > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                              > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                              > >
                                              > > Jake,
                                              > >
                                              > > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                              > >
                                              > > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                              > > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                              > would
                                              > > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                              > > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                              > >
                                              > > Larry
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                              > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                              Books
                                              > > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                              > set
                                              > > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                              > > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                              > > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                              recent
                                              > > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                              Library
                                              > of
                                              > > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                              > > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                              > > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                              > access
                                              > > to them at all.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Best,
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --j
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                              > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                              > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                              > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                              > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Jake,
                                              > > >
                                              > > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-
                                              Cope
                                              > > maps
                                              > > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                                              > pls
                                              > > > let me know.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Larry
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                              > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                              sort
                                              > > of
                                              > > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                                              > as
                                              > > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > --j
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                              > > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                              > > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                              > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                              > > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Jake,
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                                              > will
                                              > > be
                                              > > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                              late,
                                              > > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                              > > > > wonderful.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                              > first
                                              > > > saw
                                              > > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                              done.
                                              > > > Good
                                              > > > > luck on our recovery.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Larry
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                              > > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                                              > the
                                              > > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                                              > from
                                              > > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                              > > last
                                              > > > I
                                              > > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                              > > left
                                              > > > on
                                              > > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                                              > to
                                              > > > the
                                              > > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                              > > > > appendix.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                              > > > > poisoning
                                              > > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                              hospital
                                              > > > ever
                                              > > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                              > > date.
                                              > > > As
                                              > > > > I
                                              > > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                              100%
                                              > > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                              done,
                                              > > > it'll
                                              > > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                              > > > > physically
                                              > > > > > produce books.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                              > going
                                              > > to
                                              > > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                                              > time
                                              > > > for
                                              > > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > All best,
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > --jake
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
                                              > > > > Do You Yahoo!?
                                              > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection
                                              around
                                              > > > > http://mail. yahoo.com
                                              > > > >
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                                              > > > >
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                                              > > >
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                                            • eighth_conn_inf
                                              Jake, Could you contact me with a PM at killsour@hotmail.com with a question re your pub date moved to January 2008? Thank you, Larry Freiheit ... maps ... of
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Dec 17 4:50 PM
                                                Jake,

                                                Could you contact me with a PM at killsour@... with a
                                                question re your pub date moved to January 2008?

                                                Thank you,

                                                Larry Freiheit


                                                --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "eighth_conn_inf"
                                                <eighth_conn_inf@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Jake,
                                                >
                                                > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                                                maps
                                                > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
                                                > let me know.
                                                >
                                                > Larry
                                                >
                                                > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                                                > <joseph_pierro@> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                                                of
                                                > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                                > >
                                                > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
                                                > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                                > >
                                                > > --j
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                > > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@>
                                                > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                                > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                                > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                                > >
                                                > > Jake,
                                                > >
                                                > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
                                                be
                                                > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                                                > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                                > > wonderful.
                                                > >
                                                > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
                                                > saw
                                                > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                                                > Good
                                                > > luck on our recovery.
                                                > >
                                                > > Larry
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                                > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
                                                > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
                                                > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                                last
                                                > I
                                                > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                                > > >
                                                > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                                left
                                                > on
                                                > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
                                                > the
                                                > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                                > > appendix.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                                > > poisoning
                                                > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                                                > ever
                                                > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                                > > >
                                                > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                                date.
                                                > As
                                                > > I
                                                > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                                                > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                                                > it'll
                                                > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                                > > physically
                                                > > > produce books.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
                                                to
                                                > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
                                                > for
                                                > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > All best,
                                                > > >
                                                > > > --jake
                                                > > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
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                                              • eighth_conn_inf
                                                Tom, I know a photographer who might be able to help. Do you have any specifics on the negatives you have? Are they the 1908 version? Larry ... large ... sell
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Dec 31 10:20 AM
                                                  Tom,

                                                  I know a photographer who might be able to help. Do you have any
                                                  specifics on the negatives you have? Are they the 1908 version?

                                                  Larry


                                                  --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
                                                  wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > Larry,
                                                  > Save Historic Antietam Foundation at one time considered printing
                                                  > copies for sale, but the numbers did not work out. To print them
                                                  large
                                                  > enough to be legible is pretty pricey and we didn't think we could
                                                  sell
                                                  > enough to make it worthwhile. Given the access of the LOC site, it
                                                  is
                                                  > less likely now. If you have any ideas about production, we have
                                                  8x10
                                                  > photo negatives of all fourteen maps.
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
                                                  > Professor of History
                                                  > Hagerstown Community College
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > >>> "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...> 10/29/2007 8:27 AM
                                                  > >>>
                                                  > Jake,
                                                  >
                                                  > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                                  >
                                                  > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                                  > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                                  would
                                                  > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                                  > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                                  >
                                                  > Larry
                                                  >
                                                  > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                                                  > <joseph_pierro@> wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                                                  > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                                  set
                                                  > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                                  > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                                  > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                                                  > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library
                                                  of
                                                  > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                                  > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                                  > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                                  access
                                                  > to them at all.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Best,
                                                  > >
                                                  > > --j
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