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  • eighth_conn_inf
    Jake, Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late, getting it out as
    Message 1 of 26 , Oct 27, 2007
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      Jake,

      Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be
      OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
      getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
      wonderful.

      I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first saw
      it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done. Good
      luck on our recovery.

      Larry



      --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "joseph_pierro"
      <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
      > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
      >
      > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
      > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when last I
      > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
      >
      > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
      >
      > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work left on
      > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to the
      > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
      appendix.
      >
      > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
      poisoning
      > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital ever
      > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
      >
      > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release date. As
      I
      > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
      > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done, it'll
      > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
      physically
      > produce books.
      >
      > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going to
      > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time for
      > Xmas deliveries.
      >
      > All best,
      >
      > --jake
      >
    • Joseph Pierro
      Thanks, Larry! I m beginning to wonder if there isn t some sort of pharonic curse on this manuscript. On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
      Message 2 of 26 , Oct 27, 2007
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        Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of pharonic curse on this manuscript.

        On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)

        --j


        ----- Original Message ----
        From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
        To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
        Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

        Jake,

        Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be
        OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
        getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
        wonderful.

        I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first saw
        it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done. Good
        luck on our recovery.

        Larry

        --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
        <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
        >
        > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
        > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
        >
        > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
        > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when last I
        > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
        >
        > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
        >
        > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work left on
        > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to the
        > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
        appendix.
        >
        > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
        poisoning
        > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital ever
        > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
        >
        > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release date. As
        I
        > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
        > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done, it'll
        > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
        physically
        > produce books.
        >
        > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going to
        > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time for
        > Xmas deliveries.
        >
        > All best,
        >
        > --jake
        >




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      • eighth_conn_inf
        Jake, We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope maps to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls let me know.
        Message 3 of 26 , Oct 27, 2007
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          Jake,

          We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope maps
          to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
          let me know.

          Larry

          --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
          <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
          >
          > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of
          pharonic curse on this manuscript.
          >
          > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
          well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
          >
          > --j
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message ----
          > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
          > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
          > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
          >
          > Jake,
          >
          > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be
          > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
          > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
          > wonderful.
          >
          > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
          saw
          > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
          Good
          > luck on our recovery.
          >
          > Larry
          >
          > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
          > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
          > >
          > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
          > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
          > >
          > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
          > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when last
          I
          > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
          > >
          > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
          > >
          > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work left
          on
          > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
          the
          > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
          > appendix.
          > >
          > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
          > poisoning
          > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
          ever
          > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
          > >
          > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release date.
          As
          > I
          > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
          > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
          it'll
          > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
          > physically
          > > produce books.
          > >
          > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going to
          > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
          for
          > > Xmas deliveries.
          > >
          > > All best,
          > >
          > > --jake
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          >
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        • Thomas Clemens
          Well, it did not curse me, at least not yet. I am negotiating a contract to finish my edited version, with maps, in the near future. And, I already have had
          Message 4 of 26 , Oct 28, 2007
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            Well, it did not curse me, at least not yet. I am negotiating a
            contract to finish my edited version, with maps, in the near future.
            And, I already have had my appendix removed!

            Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
            Professor of History
            Hagerstown Community College


            >>> "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...> 10/27/07 8:46 PM >>>
            Jake,

            We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope maps
            to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
            let me know.

            Larry

            --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
            <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
            >
            > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of
            pharonic curse on this manuscript.
            >
            > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
            well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
            >
            > --j
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message ----
            > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
            > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
            > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
            >
            > Jake,
            >
            > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be
            > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
            > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
            > wonderful.
            >
            > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
            saw
            > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
            Good
            > luck on our recovery.
            >
            > Larry
            >
            > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
            > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
            > >
            > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
            > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
            > >
            > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
            > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when last
            I
            > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
            > >
            > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
            > >
            > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work left
            on
            > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
            the
            > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
            > appendix.
            > >
            > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
            > poisoning
            > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
            ever
            > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
            > >
            > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release date.
            As
            > I
            > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
            > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
            it'll
            > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
            > physically
            > > produce books.
            > >
            > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going to
            > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
            for
            > > Xmas deliveries.
            > >
            > > All best,
            > >
            > > --jake
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            >
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          • Joseph Pierro
            You know, it s a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books isn t with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set of Bachelder maps from
            Message 5 of 26 , Oct 28, 2007
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              You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent years to a project like the Carman atlas.

              Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access to them at all.

              Best,

              --j


              ----- Original Message ----
              From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
              To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
              Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

              Jake,

              We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope maps
              to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
              let me know.

              Larry

              --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
              <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
              >
              > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of
              pharonic curse on this manuscript.
              >
              > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
              well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
              >
              > --j
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message ----
              > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
              > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
              > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
              > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
              >
              > Jake,
              >
              > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be
              > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
              > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
              > wonderful.
              >
              > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
              saw
              > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
              Good
              > luck on our recovery.
              >
              > Larry
              >
              > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
              > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
              > >
              > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
              > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
              > >
              > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
              > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when last
              I
              > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
              > >
              > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
              > >
              > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work left
              on
              > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
              the
              > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
              > appendix.
              > >
              > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
              > poisoning
              > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
              ever
              > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
              > >
              > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release date.
              As
              > I
              > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
              > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
              it'll
              > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
              > physically
              > > produce books.
              > >
              > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going to
              > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
              for
              > > Xmas deliveries.
              > >
              > > All best,
              > >
              > > --jake
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              >
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            • Joseph Pierro
              Congrats, Tom!!! I m glad to know your work too may come to fruition. As for that curse, though, your manuscript isn t finished yet. Give it time. ;) --j ...
              Message 6 of 26 , Oct 28, 2007
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                Congrats, Tom!!! I'm glad to know your work too may come to fruition.

                As for that curse, though, your manuscript isn't finished yet. Give it time. ;)

                --j


                ----- Original Message ----
                From: Thomas Clemens <clemenst@...>
                To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:40:27 AM
                Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                Well, it did not curse me, at least not yet. I am negotiating a
                contract to finish my edited version, with maps, in the near future.
                And, I already have had my appendix removed!

                Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
                Professor of History
                Hagerstown Community College

                >>> "eighth_conn_ inf" <eighth_conn_ inf@yahoo. com> 10/27/07 8:46 PM >>>
                Jake,

                We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope maps
                to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
                let me know.

                Larry

                --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                >
                > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort of
                pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                >
                > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
                well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                >
                > --j
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message ----
                > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                >
                > Jake,
                >
                > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will be
                > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                > wonderful.
                >
                > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
                saw
                > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                Good
                > luck on our recovery.
                >
                > Larry
                >
                > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                > >
                > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
                > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                > >
                > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
                > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when last
                I
                > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                > >
                > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                > >
                > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work left
                on
                > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
                the
                > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                > appendix.
                > >
                > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                > poisoning
                > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                ever
                > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                > >
                > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release date.
                As
                > I
                > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                it'll
                > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                > physically
                > > produce books.
                > >
                > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going to
                > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
                for
                > > Xmas deliveries.
                > >
                > > All best,
                > >
                > > --jake
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • eighth_conn_inf
                Jake, I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps. Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a profit but to contribute
                Message 7 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                  Jake,

                  I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

                  Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                  profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I would
                  buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                  printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

                  Larry

                  --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                  <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                  isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set
                  of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                  color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                  shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                  years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                  >
                  > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of
                  Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                  second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                  database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access
                  to them at all.
                  >
                  > Best,
                  >
                  > --j
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message ----
                  > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                  > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                  > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                  >
                  > Jake,
                  >
                  > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                  maps
                  > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
                  > let me know.
                  >
                  > Larry
                  >
                  > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                  > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                  of
                  > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                  > >
                  > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
                  > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                  > >
                  > > --j
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message ----
                  > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                  > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                  > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                  > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                  > >
                  > > Jake,
                  > >
                  > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
                  be
                  > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                  > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                  > > wonderful.
                  > >
                  > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
                  > saw
                  > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                  > Good
                  > > luck on our recovery.
                  > >
                  > > Larry
                  > >
                  > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                  > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
                  > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                  > > >
                  > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
                  > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                  last
                  > I
                  > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                  > > >
                  > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                  > > >
                  > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                  left
                  > on
                  > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
                  > the
                  > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                  > > appendix.
                  > > >
                  > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                  > > poisoning
                  > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                  > ever
                  > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                  > > >
                  > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                  date.
                  > As
                  > > I
                  > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                  > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                  > it'll
                  > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                  > > physically
                  > > > produce books.
                  > > >
                  > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
                  to
                  > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
                  > for
                  > > > Xmas deliveries.
                  > > >
                  > > > All best,
                  > > >
                  > > > --jake
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
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                • G E Mayers
                  Larry; That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A
                  Message 8 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                    Larry;

                    That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam
                    Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president.

                    Yr. Obt. Svt.
                    G E "Gerry" Mayers

                    To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                    on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                    Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                    the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                    To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27 AM
                    Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update


                    Jake,

                    I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

                    Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                    profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                    would
                    buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                    printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

                    Larry

                    --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                    <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                    > Books
                    isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                    set
                    of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                    color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                    shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                    recent
                    years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                    >
                    > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                    > Library of
                    Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                    second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                    database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                    access
                    to them at all.
                    >
                    > Best,
                    >
                    > --j
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message ----
                    > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                    > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                    > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                    >
                    > Jake,
                    >
                    > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                    > Carmen-Cope
                    maps
                    > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                    > pls
                    > let me know.
                    >
                    > Larry
                    >
                    > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                    > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                    > > sort
                    of
                    > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                    > >
                    > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                    > > as
                    > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                    > >
                    > > --j
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message ----
                    > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                    > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                    > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                    > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                    > >
                    > > Jake,
                    > >
                    > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                    > > will
                    be
                    > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                    > > late,
                    > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                    > > wonderful.
                    > >
                    > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                    > > first
                    > saw
                    > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                    > > done.
                    > Good
                    > > luck on our recovery.
                    > >
                    > > Larry
                    > >
                    > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                    > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                    > > > the
                    > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                    > > >
                    > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                    > > > from
                    > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                    last
                    > I
                    > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                    > > >
                    > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                    > > >
                    > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                    left
                    > on
                    > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                    > > > to
                    > the
                    > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                    > > appendix.
                    > > >
                    > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                    > > poisoning
                    > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                    > > > hospital
                    > ever
                    > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                    > > >
                    > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                    date.
                    > As
                    > > I
                    > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                    > > > 100%
                    > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                    > > > done,
                    > it'll
                    > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                    > > physically
                    > > > produce books.
                    > > >
                    > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                    > > > going
                    to
                    > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                    > > > time
                    > for
                    > > > Xmas deliveries.
                    > > >
                    > > > All best,
                    > > >
                    > > > --jake
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
                    > > Do You Yahoo!?
                    > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection
                    > > around
                    > > http://mail. yahoo.com
                    > >
                    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
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                  • Joseph Pierro
                    That s the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my publishers decided we couldn t use them in my book). The information contained on them is so
                    Message 9 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                      That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The information contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say, any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL Atlas plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.

                      Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good one. About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at Gettysburg did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin did three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each day).

                      Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do is repoduce an already extant set of maps.

                      From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.


                      ----- Original Message ----
                      From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                      To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                      Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                      Jake,

                      I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

                      Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                      profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I would
                      buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                      printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

                      Larry

                      --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                      <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                      >
                      > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                      isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set
                      of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                      color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                      shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                      years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                      >
                      > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of
                      Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                      second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                      database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access
                      to them at all.
                      >
                      > Best,
                      >
                      > --j
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message ----
                      > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                      > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                      > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                      > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                      >
                      > Jake,
                      >
                      > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                      maps
                      > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
                      > let me know.
                      >
                      > Larry
                      >
                      > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                      > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                      of
                      > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                      > >
                      > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
                      > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                      > >
                      > > --j
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message ----
                      > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                      > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                      > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                      > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                      > >
                      > > Jake,
                      > >
                      > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
                      be
                      > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                      > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                      > > wonderful.
                      > >
                      > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
                      > saw
                      > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                      > Good
                      > > luck on our recovery.
                      > >
                      > > Larry
                      > >
                      > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                      > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
                      > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                      > > >
                      > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
                      > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                      last
                      > I
                      > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                      > > >
                      > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                      > > >
                      > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                      left
                      > on
                      > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
                      > the
                      > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                      > > appendix.
                      > > >
                      > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                      > > poisoning
                      > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                      > ever
                      > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                      > > >
                      > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                      date.
                      > As
                      > > I
                      > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                      > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                      > it'll
                      > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                      > > physically
                      > > > produce books.
                      > > >
                      > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
                      to
                      > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
                      > for
                      > > > Xmas deliveries.
                      > > >
                      > > > All best,
                      > > >
                      > > > --jake
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
                      > > Do You Yahoo!?
                      > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
                      > > http://mail. yahoo.com
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                      > >
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                    • eighth_conn_inf
                      Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman s maps? I didn t realize the version on the LOC website is the earlier one. Is the CD
                      Message 10 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                        Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                        maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the earlier
                        one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                        version?

                        The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is the
                        crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of the
                        atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two versions
                        by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you are
                        correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using high
                        res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                        students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.

                        The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                        cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                        set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                        include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                        print an order as well as any marketing expenses.

                        Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?

                        Larry


                        --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                        <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                        publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The information
                        contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                        any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                        bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL Atlas
                        plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                        >
                        > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good one.
                        About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at Gettysburg
                        did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin did
                        three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                        day).
                        >
                        > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                        woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do is
                        repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                        >
                        > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                        image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                        scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                        sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message ----
                        > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                        > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                        > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                        >
                        > Jake,
                        >
                        > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                        >
                        > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                        > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                        would
                        > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                        > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                        >
                        > Larry
                        >
                        > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                        > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                        > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                        set
                        > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                        > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                        > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                        > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                        > >
                        > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library
                        of
                        > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                        > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                        > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                        access
                        > to them at all.
                        > >
                        > > Best,
                        > >
                        > > --j
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message ----
                        > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                        > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                        > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                        > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                        > >
                        > > Jake,
                        > >
                        > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                        > maps
                        > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                        pls
                        > > let me know.
                        > >
                        > > Larry
                        > >
                        > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                        > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                        > of
                        > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                        > > >
                        > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                        as
                        > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                        > > >
                        > > > --j
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ----- Original Message ----
                        > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                        > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                        > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                        > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                        > > >
                        > > > Jake,
                        > > >
                        > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                        will
                        > be
                        > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                        > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                        > > > wonderful.
                        > > >
                        > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                        first
                        > > saw
                        > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                        > > Good
                        > > > luck on our recovery.
                        > > >
                        > > > Larry
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                        > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                        the
                        > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                        from
                        > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                        > last
                        > > I
                        > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                        > > > >
                        > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                        > left
                        > > on
                        > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                        to
                        > > the
                        > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                        > > > appendix.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                        > > > poisoning
                        > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                        > > ever
                        > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                        > > > >
                        > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                        > date.
                        > > As
                        > > > I
                        > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                        > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                        > > it'll
                        > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                        > > > physically
                        > > > > produce books.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                        going
                        > to
                        > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                        time
                        > > for
                        > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > All best,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > --jake
                        > > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
                        > > > Do You Yahoo!?
                        > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
                        > > > http://mail. yahoo.com
                        > > >
                        > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
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                      • eighth_conn_inf
                        Gerry, You have a good suggestion. I m sure SHAF would be concerned about making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those costs would be
                        Message 11 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                          Gerry,

                          You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                          making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those
                          costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                          shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an investment
                          of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be something
                          they would like after the initial sets are sold.

                          Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?

                          Larry



                          --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > Larry;
                          >
                          > That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam
                          > Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president.
                          >
                          > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                          > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                          >
                          > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                          > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                          > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                          > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                          > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27 AM
                          > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                          >
                          >
                          > Jake,
                          >
                          > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                          >
                          > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                          > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                          > would
                          > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                          > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                          >
                          > Larry
                          >
                          > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                          > <joseph_pierro@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                          > > Books
                          > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                          > set
                          > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                          > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                          > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                          > recent
                          > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                          > >
                          > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                          > > Library of
                          > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                          > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                          > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                          > access
                          > to them at all.
                          > >
                          > > Best,
                          > >
                          > > --j
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message ----
                          > > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@>
                          > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                          > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                          > >
                          > > Jake,
                          > >
                          > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                          > > Carmen-Cope
                          > maps
                          > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                          > > pls
                          > > let me know.
                          > >
                          > > Larry
                          > >
                          > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                          > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                          > > > sort
                          > of
                          > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                          > > >
                          > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                          > > > as
                          > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                          > > >
                          > > > --j
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ----- Original Message ----
                          > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                          > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                          > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                          > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                          > > >
                          > > > Jake,
                          > > >
                          > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                          > > > will
                          > be
                          > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                          > > > late,
                          > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                          > > > wonderful.
                          > > >
                          > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                          > > > first
                          > > saw
                          > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                          > > > done.
                          > > Good
                          > > > luck on our recovery.
                          > > >
                          > > > Larry
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                          > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                          > > > > from
                          > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                          > last
                          > > I
                          > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                          > > > >
                          > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                          > left
                          > > on
                          > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                          > > > > to
                          > > the
                          > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                          > > > appendix.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                          > > > poisoning
                          > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                          > > > > hospital
                          > > ever
                          > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                          > > > >
                          > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                          > date.
                          > > As
                          > > > I
                          > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                          > > > > 100%
                          > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                          > > > > done,
                          > > it'll
                          > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                          > > > physically
                          > > > > produce books.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                          > > > > going
                          > to
                          > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                          > > > > time
                          > > for
                          > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > All best,
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --jake
                          > > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >
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                        • Thomas Clemens
                          Larry, Save Historic Antietam Foundation at one time considered printing copies for sale, but the numbers did not work out. To print them large enough to be
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                            Larry,
                            Save Historic Antietam Foundation at one time considered printing
                            copies for sale, but the numbers did not work out. To print them large
                            enough to be legible is pretty pricey and we didn't think we could sell
                            enough to make it worthwhile. Given the access of the LOC site, it is
                            less likely now. If you have any ideas about production, we have 8x10
                            photo negatives of all fourteen maps.


                            Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
                            Professor of History
                            Hagerstown Community College



                            >>> "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...> 10/29/2007 8:27 AM
                            >>>
                            Jake,

                            I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.

                            Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                            profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I would
                            buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                            printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.

                            Larry

                            --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                            <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                            isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full set
                            of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                            color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                            shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                            years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                            >
                            > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library of
                            Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                            second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                            database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having access
                            to them at all.
                            >
                            > Best,
                            >
                            > --j
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message ----
                            > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                            > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                            > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                            >
                            > Jake,
                            >
                            > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                            maps
                            > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
                            > let me know.
                            >
                            > Larry
                            >
                            > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                            > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                            of
                            > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                            > >
                            > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
                            > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                            > >
                            > > --j
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message ----
                            > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                            > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                            > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                            > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                            > >
                            > > Jake,
                            > >
                            > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
                            be
                            > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                            > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                            > > wonderful.
                            > >
                            > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
                            > saw
                            > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                            > Good
                            > > luck on our recovery.
                            > >
                            > > Larry
                            > >
                            > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                            > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
                            > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                            > > >
                            > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
                            > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                            last
                            > I
                            > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                            > > >
                            > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                            > > >
                            > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                            left
                            > on
                            > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
                            > the
                            > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                            > > appendix.
                            > > >
                            > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                            > > poisoning
                            > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                            > ever
                            > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                            > > >
                            > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                            date.
                            > As
                            > > I
                            > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                            > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                            > it'll
                            > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                            > > physically
                            > > > produce books.
                            > > >
                            > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
                            to
                            > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
                            > for
                            > > > Xmas deliveries.
                            > > >
                            > > > All best,
                            > > >
                            > > > --jake
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
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                            > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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                          • Stephen Recker
                            I just sold my set of Gettysburg Bachelder maps. They did not move fast and I sold them for a LOT less than the $250 retail price. I can t imagine that would
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                              I just sold my set of Gettysburg Bachelder maps. They did not move fast
                              and I sold them for a LOT less than the $250 retail price. I can't
                              imagine that would be a big money maker. Perhaps offering them on a
                              print-on-demand basis?

                              Stephen

                              On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 09:25 AM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:

                              > You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                              > making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those
                              > costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                              > shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an investment
                              > of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be something
                              > they would like after the initial sets are sold.
                              >
                              > Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?
                              >
                            • Joseph Pierro
                              Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they re BOTH of the first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why
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                                Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each edition--is beyond me

                                How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of that what you will. I can say that in some instances the position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label that was left off of a particular plate.

                                I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.

                                As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the Gettysburg VC.


                                ----- Original Message ----
                                From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                                To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                                Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                                maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the earlier
                                one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                version?

                                The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is the
                                crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of the
                                atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two versions
                                by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you are
                                correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using high
                                res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.

                                The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                                cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                                set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                                print an order as well as any marketing expenses.

                                Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?

                                Larry


                                --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                >
                                > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The information
                                contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                                any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL Atlas
                                plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                >
                                > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good one.
                                About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at Gettysburg
                                did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin did
                                three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                                day).
                                >
                                > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                                woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do is
                                repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                >
                                > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                                scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                                sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message ----
                                > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                >
                                > Jake,
                                >
                                > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                >
                                > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                would
                                > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                >
                                > Larry
                                >
                                > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                                > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                set
                                > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                                > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                > >
                                > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library
                                of
                                > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                access
                                > to them at all.
                                > >
                                > > Best,
                                > >
                                > > --j
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message ----
                                > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                > >
                                > > Jake,
                                > >
                                > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                                > maps
                                > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                                pls
                                > > let me know.
                                > >
                                > > Larry
                                > >
                                > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                                > of
                                > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                > > >
                                > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                                as
                                > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                > > >
                                > > > --j
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                > > >
                                > > > Jake,
                                > > >
                                > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                                will
                                > be
                                > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                                > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                > > > wonderful.
                                > > >
                                > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                first
                                > > saw
                                > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                                > > Good
                                > > > luck on our recovery.
                                > > >
                                > > > Larry
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                                the
                                > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                                from
                                > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                > last
                                > > I
                                > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                > > > >
                                > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                > left
                                > > on
                                > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                                to
                                > > the
                                > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                > > > appendix.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                > > > poisoning
                                > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                                > > ever
                                > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                > > > >
                                > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                > date.
                                > > As
                                > > > I
                                > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                                > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                                > > it'll
                                > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                > > > physically
                                > > > > produce books.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                going
                                > to
                                > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                                time
                                > > for
                                > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > All best,
                                > > > >
                                > > > > --jake
                                > > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >
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                              • Joseph Pierro
                                Yes, the full Bachelder set of 28 maps (37 x 27 1/2 ) was reprinted in color by Morningside Books of Dayton, Ohio, some years ago. The item still appears on
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                                  Yes, the full Bachelder set of 28 maps (37" x 27 1/2") was reprinted in color by Morningside Books of Dayton, Ohio, some years ago. The item still appears on their website (morningsidebooksDOTcom).

                                  What would it cost to make a reproducable image of each Carman map? What is the production cost to print them? What's the market demand for the map sets? I couldn't begin to answer any of these questions. (Fairly or not, Gettysburg exists on an order of magnitude apart from any other CW battle in terms of marketplace interest.)

                                  My sense, though, is that if any non profit were to try and tackle such a project, they'd need to apply for a grant from some organization or foundation to cover the costs. I'd be REALLY surprised if the economics of such an undertaking would allow such a project to break even, let alone run in the black.

                                  --jake


                                  ----- Original Message ----
                                  From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                                  To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:25:45 AM
                                  Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                                  Gerry,

                                  You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                                  making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if those
                                  costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                                  shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an investment
                                  of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be something
                                  they would like after the initial sets are sold.

                                  Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?

                                  Larry

                                  --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@. ..>
                                  wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Larry;
                                  >
                                  > That might be a good project for the Save Historic Antietam
                                  > Foundation, of which Dr Tom Clemens is president.
                                  >
                                  > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                                  > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                                  >
                                  > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                                  > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                                  > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                                  > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "eighth_conn_ inf" <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                  > To: <TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com>
                                  > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27 AM
                                  > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Jake,
                                  >
                                  > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                  >
                                  > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                  > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                  > would
                                  > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                  > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                  >
                                  > Larry
                                  >
                                  > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                  > <joseph_pierro@ > wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                  > > Books
                                  > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                  > set
                                  > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                  > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                  > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                  > recent
                                  > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                  > >
                                  > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                  > > Library of
                                  > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                  > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                  > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                  > access
                                  > to them at all.
                                  > >
                                  > > Best,
                                  > >
                                  > > --j
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ----- Original Message ----
                                  > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                  > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                  > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                  > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                  > >
                                  > > Jake,
                                  > >
                                  > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                                  > > Carmen-Cope
                                  > maps
                                  > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                                  > > pls
                                  > > let me know.
                                  > >
                                  > > Larry
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                  > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                  > > > sort
                                  > of
                                  > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                                  > > > as
                                  > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --j
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                  > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                  > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                  > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                  > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Jake,
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                                  > > > will
                                  > be
                                  > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                  > > > late,
                                  > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                  > > > wonderful.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                  > > > first
                                  > > saw
                                  > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                  > > > done.
                                  > > Good
                                  > > > luck on our recovery.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Larry
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                  > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                                  > > > > from
                                  > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                  > last
                                  > > I
                                  > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                  > left
                                  > > on
                                  > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                                  > > > > to
                                  > > the
                                  > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                  > > > appendix.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                  > > > poisoning
                                  > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                  > > > > hospital
                                  > > ever
                                  > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                  > date.
                                  > > As
                                  > > > I
                                  > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                  > > > > 100%
                                  > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                  > > > > done,
                                  > > it'll
                                  > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                  > > > physically
                                  > > > > produce books.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                  > > > > going
                                  > to
                                  > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                                  > > > > time
                                  > > for
                                  > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > All best,
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --jake
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
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                                  Joe; The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                                    Joe;

                                    The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC.

                                    Yr. Obt. Svt.
                                    G E "Gerry" Mayers

                                    To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                                    on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                                    Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                                    the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@...>
                                    To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:39 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update


                                    > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate
                                    > scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the
                                    > first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same
                                    > edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each
                                    > edition--is beyond me
                                    >
                                    > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                    > Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to
                                    > justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of
                                    > that what you will. I can say that in some instances the
                                    > position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one
                                    > edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter
                                    > of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label
                                    > that was left off of a particular plate.
                                    >
                                    > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't
                                    > say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info
                                    > appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first
                                    > edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.
                                    >
                                    > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                    > (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                    > interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                    > Gettysburg VC.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message ----
                                    > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                                    > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                    > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                    >
                                    > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of
                                    > Carman's
                                    > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                    > earlier
                                    > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                    > version?
                                    >
                                    > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas
                                    > is the
                                    > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings
                                    > of the
                                    > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                    > versions
                                    > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So
                                    > you are
                                    > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                                    > high
                                    > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                    > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                    >
                                    > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can
                                    > the
                                    > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at
                                    > $250 a
                                    > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                    > include the minimum number a printer would require before it
                                    > would
                                    > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                    >
                                    > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                    >
                                    > Larry
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                    > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >> That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                    > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                    > information
                                    > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to,
                                    > say,
                                    > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                    > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                    > Atlas
                                    > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                    >>
                                    >> Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                    >> one.
                                    > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                    > Gettysburg
                                    > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom
                                    > Desjardin did
                                    > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for
                                    > each
                                    > day).
                                    >>
                                    >> Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then
                                    >> you
                                    > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to
                                    > do is
                                    > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                    >>
                                    >> From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                    > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates
                                    > high-res
                                    > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even
                                    > on a
                                    > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> ----- Original Message ----
                                    >> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                    >> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                    >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                    >> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                    >>
                                    >> Jake,
                                    >>
                                    >> I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                    >>
                                    >> Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make
                                    >> a
                                    >> profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                    > would
                                    >> buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as
                                    >> being
                                    >> printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                    >>
                                    >> Larry
                                    >>
                                    >> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                    >> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                    >> >
                                    >> > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                    >> > Books
                                    >> isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the
                                    >> full
                                    > set
                                    >> of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in
                                    >> full
                                    >> color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose
                                    >> (they
                                    >> shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                    >> recent
                                    >> years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                    >> > Library
                                    > of
                                    >> Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                    >> second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant
                                    >> digital
                                    >> database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                    > access
                                    >> to them at all.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Best,
                                    >> >
                                    >> > --j
                                    >> >
                                    >> >
                                    >> > ----- Original Message ----
                                    >> > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                    >> > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                    >> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                    >> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Jake,
                                    >> >
                                    >> > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                                    >> > Carmen-Cope
                                    >> maps
                                    >> > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to
                                    >> > help,
                                    > pls
                                    >> > let me know.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Larry
                                    >> >
                                    >> > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                    >> > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                    >> > > sort
                                    >> of
                                    >> > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
                                    >> > > might
                                    > as
                                    >> > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > --j
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > ----- Original Message ----
                                    >> > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                    >> > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                    >> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                    >> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > Jake,
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that
                                    >> > > you
                                    > will
                                    >> be
                                    >> > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                    >> > > late,
                                    >> > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will
                                    >> > > be
                                    >> > > wonderful.
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                    > first
                                    >> > saw
                                    >> > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                    >> > > done.
                                    >> > Good
                                    >> > > luck on our recovery.
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > Larry
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                    >> > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats)
                                    >> > > > on
                                    > the
                                    >> > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was
                                    >> > > > coming
                                    > from
                                    >> > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book,
                                    >> > > > when
                                    >> last
                                    >> > I
                                    >> > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of
                                    >> > > > work
                                    >> left
                                    >> > on
                                    >> > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to
                                    >> > > > go
                                    > to
                                    >> > the
                                    >> > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with
                                    >> > > > the
                                    >> > > appendix.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with
                                    >> > > > food
                                    >> > > poisoning
                                    >> > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                    >> > > > hospital
                                    >> > ever
                                    >> > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new
                                    >> > > > release
                                    >> date.
                                    >> > As
                                    >> > > I
                                    >> > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                    >> > > > 100%
                                    >> > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                    >> > > > done,
                                    >> > it'll
                                    >> > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and
                                    >> > > > then
                                    >> > > physically
                                    >> > > > produce books.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                    > going
                                    >> to
                                    >> > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship
                                    >> > > > in
                                    > time
                                    >> > for
                                    >> > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > All best,
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > --jake
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
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                                    >> > > around
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                                  • Joseph Pierro
                                    Gerry: We might be talking past each other. The 1904 edition of the ATLAS is the original edition of that book. The maps themselves predate that, but their
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                                      Gerry:

                                      We might be talking past each other.

                                      The 1904 edition of the ATLAS is the original edition of that book. The maps themselves predate that, but their first appearance bound in book form is 1904.

                                      A revised version of the ATLAS was then issued in 1908.

                                      Are their revisions between the original Carman-Cope maps from the 1890s and what was printed and bound in 1904? Yes. (As anyone on this board who has every published anything knows, one is constantly tweaking the final product.)

                                      When I talk about originals and revisions, however, I'm only speaking of the ATLAS itself as a bound book, not the individual map plates inside. 1904 isn't the date of the first maps, but it's the first date of a bound BOOK of maps.

                                      --jake


                                      ----- Original Message ----
                                      From: G E Mayers <gerry1952@...>
                                      To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:57:08 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                                      Joe;

                                      The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC.

                                      Yr. Obt. Svt.
                                      G E "Gerry" Mayers

                                      To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                                      on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                                      Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                                      the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@ yahoo.com>
                                      To: <TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com>
                                      Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:39 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                                      > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate
                                      > scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the
                                      > first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same
                                      > edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each
                                      > edition--is beyond me
                                      >
                                      > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                      > Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to
                                      > justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of
                                      > that what you will. I can say that in some instances the
                                      > position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one
                                      > edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter
                                      > of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label
                                      > that was left off of a particular plate.
                                      >
                                      > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't
                                      > say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info
                                      > appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first
                                      > edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.
                                      >
                                      > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                      > (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                      > interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                      > Gettysburg VC.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message ----
                                      > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@yahoo. com>
                                      > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                      > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >
                                      > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of
                                      > Carman's
                                      > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                      > earlier
                                      > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                      > version?
                                      >
                                      > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas
                                      > is the
                                      > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings
                                      > of the
                                      > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                      > versions
                                      > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So
                                      > you are
                                      > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                                      > high
                                      > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                      > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                      >
                                      > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can
                                      > the
                                      > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at
                                      > $250 a
                                      > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                      > include the minimum number a printer would require before it
                                      > would
                                      > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                      >
                                      > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                      >
                                      > Larry
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                      > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      >>
                                      >> That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                      > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                      > information
                                      > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to,
                                      > say,
                                      > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                      > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                      > Atlas
                                      > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                      >>
                                      >> Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                      >> one.
                                      > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                      > Gettysburg
                                      > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom
                                      > Desjardin did
                                      > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for
                                      > each
                                      > day).
                                      >>
                                      >> Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then
                                      >> you
                                      > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to
                                      > do is
                                      > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                      >>
                                      >> From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                      > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates
                                      > high-res
                                      > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even
                                      > on a
                                      > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> ----- Original Message ----
                                      >> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                      >> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                      >> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >>
                                      >> Jake,
                                      >>
                                      >> I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                      >>
                                      >> Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make
                                      >> a
                                      >> profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                      > would
                                      >> buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as
                                      >> being
                                      >> printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                      >>
                                      >> Larry
                                      >>
                                      >> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                      >> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      >> >
                                      >> > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                      >> > Books
                                      >> isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the
                                      >> full
                                      > set
                                      >> of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in
                                      >> full
                                      >> color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose
                                      >> (they
                                      >> shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                      >> recent
                                      >> years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                      >> > Library
                                      > of
                                      >> Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                      >> second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant
                                      >> digital
                                      >> database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                      > access
                                      >> to them at all.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Best,
                                      >> >
                                      >> > --j
                                      >> >
                                      >> >
                                      >> > ----- Original Message ----
                                      >> > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                      >> > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      >> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                      >> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Jake,
                                      >> >
                                      >> > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                                      >> > Carmen-Cope
                                      >> maps
                                      >> > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to
                                      >> > help,
                                      > pls
                                      >> > let me know.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Larry
                                      >> >
                                      >> > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                      >> > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                      >> > > sort
                                      >> of
                                      >> > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
                                      >> > > might
                                      > as
                                      >> > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > --j
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > ----- Original Message ----
                                      >> > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                      >> > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                      >> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                      >> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > Jake,
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that
                                      >> > > you
                                      > will
                                      >> be
                                      >> > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                      >> > > late,
                                      >> > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will
                                      >> > > be
                                      >> > > wonderful.
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                      > first
                                      >> > saw
                                      >> > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                      >> > > done.
                                      >> > Good
                                      >> > > luck on our recovery.
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > Larry
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                      >> > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats)
                                      >> > > > on
                                      > the
                                      >> > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was
                                      >> > > > coming
                                      > from
                                      >> > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book,
                                      >> > > > when
                                      >> last
                                      >> > I
                                      >> > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of
                                      >> > > > work
                                      >> left
                                      >> > on
                                      >> > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to
                                      >> > > > go
                                      > to
                                      >> > the
                                      >> > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with
                                      >> > > > the
                                      >> > > appendix.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with
                                      >> > > > food
                                      >> > > poisoning
                                      >> > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                      >> > > > hospital
                                      >> > ever
                                      >> > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new
                                      >> > > > release
                                      >> date.
                                      >> > As
                                      >> > > I
                                      >> > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                      >> > > > 100%
                                      >> > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                      >> > > > done,
                                      >> > it'll
                                      >> > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and
                                      >> > > > then
                                      >> > > physically
                                      >> > > > produce books.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                      > going
                                      >> to
                                      >> > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship
                                      >> > > > in
                                      > time
                                      >> > for
                                      >> > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > All best,
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > --jake
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > >
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                                    • eighth_conn_inf
                                      Stephen, Sorry I didn t know you had a set for sale--did you put them on eBay? If yes, under what category? Do you have another set for sale? Larry F. ...
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                                        Stephen,

                                        Sorry I didn't know you had a set for sale--did you put them on eBay?
                                        If "yes," under what category? Do you have another set for sale?

                                        Larry F.


                                        --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...>
                                        wrote:
                                        >
                                        > I just sold my set of Gettysburg Bachelder maps. They did not move
                                        fast
                                        > and I sold them for a LOT less than the $250 retail price. I can't
                                        > imagine that would be a big money maker. Perhaps offering them on a
                                        > print-on-demand basis?
                                        >
                                        > Stephen
                                        >
                                        > On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 09:25 AM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:
                                        >
                                        > > You have a good suggestion. I'm sure SHAF would be concerned about
                                        > > making a large investment in printing costs without knowing if
                                        those
                                        > > costs would be recouped. Certainly the sets of maps could sit on a
                                        > > shelf since they would not become obsolete but having an
                                        investment
                                        > > of several thousands of dollars sitting idle might not be
                                        something
                                        > > they would like after the initial sets are sold.
                                        > >
                                        > > Is there a set of printed Bachelder maps available?
                                        > >
                                        >
                                      • G E Mayers
                                        Ok. Thanks for the clarification. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on one s mother s side, is
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                                          Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

                                          Yr. Obt. Svt.
                                          G E "Gerry" Mayers

                                          To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                                          on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                                          Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
                                          the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@...>
                                          To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:13 PM
                                          Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update


                                          > Gerry:
                                          >
                                          > We might be talking past each other.
                                          >
                                          > The 1904 edition of the ATLAS is the original edition of that
                                          > book. The maps themselves predate that, but their first
                                          > appearance bound in book form is 1904.
                                          >
                                          > A revised version of the ATLAS was then issued in 1908.
                                          >
                                          > Are their revisions between the original Carman-Cope maps from
                                          > the 1890s and what was printed and bound in 1904? Yes. (As
                                          > anyone on this board who has every published anything knows,
                                          > one is constantly tweaking the final product.)
                                          >
                                          > When I talk about originals and revisions, however, I'm only
                                          > speaking of the ATLAS itself as a bound book, not the
                                          > individual map plates inside. 1904 isn't the date of the first
                                          > maps, but it's the first date of a bound BOOK of maps.
                                          >
                                          > --jake
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message ----
                                          > From: G E Mayers <gerry1952@...>
                                          > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:57:08 PM
                                          > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                          >
                                          > Joe;
                                          >
                                          > The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC.
                                          >
                                          > Yr. Obt. Svt.
                                          > G E "Gerry" Mayers
                                          >
                                          > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
                                          > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
                                          > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
                                          > from
                                          > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@ yahoo.com>
                                          > To: <TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com>
                                          > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:39 PM
                                          > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                          >
                                          >> Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate
                                          >> scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the
                                          >> first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same
                                          >> edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each
                                          >> edition--is beyond me
                                          >>
                                          >> How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                          >> Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to
                                          >> justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of
                                          >> that what you will. I can say that in some instances the
                                          >> position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one
                                          >> edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter
                                          >> of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label
                                          >> that was left off of a particular plate.
                                          >>
                                          >> I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't
                                          >> say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info
                                          >> appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first
                                          >> edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.
                                          >>
                                          >> As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                          >> (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                          >> interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                          >> Gettysburg VC.
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> ----- Original Message ----
                                          >> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@yahoo. com>
                                          >> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                          >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                          >> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                          >>
                                          >> Are there substantive changes between the two versions of
                                          >> Carman's
                                          >> maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                          >> earlier
                                          >> one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                          >> version?
                                          >>
                                          >> The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas
                                          >> is the
                                          >> crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings
                                          >> of the
                                          >> atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                          >> versions
                                          >> by different publishers and they are noticably different. So
                                          >> you are
                                          >> correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals
                                          >> using
                                          >> high
                                          >> res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most
                                          >> serious
                                          >> students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                          >>
                                          >> The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can
                                          >> the
                                          >> cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at
                                          >> $250 a
                                          >> set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                          >> include the minimum number a printer would require before it
                                          >> would
                                          >> print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                          >>
                                          >> Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                          >>
                                          >> Larry
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                          >> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                          >>>
                                          >>> That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle,
                                          >>> my
                                          >> publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                          >> information
                                          >> contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to,
                                          >> say,
                                          >> any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find
                                          >> in
                                          >> bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                          >> Atlas
                                          >> plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                          >>> one.
                                          >> About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                          >> Gettysburg
                                          >> did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom
                                          >> Desjardin did
                                          >> three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for
                                          >> each
                                          >> day).
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then
                                          >>> you
                                          >> woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to
                                          >> do is
                                          >> repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                          >>>
                                          >>> From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing
                                          >>> the
                                          >> image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates
                                          >> high-res
                                          >> scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even
                                          >> on a
                                          >> sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                          >>>
                                          >>>
                                          >>> ----- Original Message ----
                                          >>> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                          >>> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                          >>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                          >>> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Jake,
                                          >>>
                                          >>> I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to
                                          >>> make
                                          >>> a
                                          >>> profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization?
                                          >>> I
                                          >> would
                                          >>> buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as
                                          >>> being
                                          >>> printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Larry
                                          >>>
                                          >>> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                          >>> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                          >>> > Books
                                          >>> isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the
                                          >>> full
                                          >> set
                                          >>> of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in
                                          >>> full
                                          >>> color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose
                                          >>> (they
                                          >>> shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                          >>> recent
                                          >>> years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                          >>> > Library
                                          >> of
                                          >>> Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan
                                          >>> the
                                          >>> second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant
                                          >>> digital
                                          >>> database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not
                                          >>> having
                                          >> access
                                          >>> to them at all.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > Best,
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > --j
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > ----- Original Message ----
                                          >>> > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                          >>> > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                          >>> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                          >>> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > Jake,
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
                                          >>> > Carmen-Cope
                                          >>> maps
                                          >>> > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to
                                          >>> > help,
                                          >> pls
                                          >>> > let me know.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > Larry
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                          >>> > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't
                                          >>> > > some
                                          >>> > > sort
                                          >>> of
                                          >>> > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
                                          >>> > > might
                                          >> as
                                          >>> > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > --j
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > ----- Original Message ----
                                          >>> > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                          >>> > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                          >>> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                          >>> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > Jake,
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that
                                          >>> > > you
                                          >> will
                                          >>> be
                                          >>> > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                          >>> > > late,
                                          >>> > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened
                                          >>> > > will
                                          >>> > > be
                                          >>> > > wonderful.
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when
                                          >>> > > I
                                          >> first
                                          >>> > saw
                                          >>> > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                          >>> > > done.
                                          >>> > Good
                                          >>> > > luck on our recovery.
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > Larry
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                          >>> > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats)
                                          >>> > > > on
                                          >> the
                                          >>> > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was
                                          >>> > > > coming
                                          >> from
                                          >>> > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book,
                                          >>> > > > when
                                          >>> last
                                          >>> > I
                                          >>> > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of
                                          >>> > > > work
                                          >>> left
                                          >>> > on
                                          >>> > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready
                                          >>> > > > to
                                          >>> > > > go
                                          >> to
                                          >>> > the
                                          >>> > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with
                                          >>> > > > the
                                          >>> > > appendix.
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with
                                          >>> > > > food
                                          >>> > > poisoning
                                          >>> > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                          >>> > > > hospital
                                          >>> > ever
                                          >>> > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new
                                          >>> > > > release
                                          >>> date.
                                          >>> > As
                                          >>> > > I
                                          >>> > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I
                                          >>> > > > was
                                          >>> > > > 100%
                                          >>> > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                          >>> > > > done,
                                          >>> > it'll
                                          >>> > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and
                                          >>> > > > then
                                          >>> > > physically
                                          >>> > > > produce books.
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December.
                                          >>> > > > I'm
                                          >> going
                                          >>> to
                                          >>> > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship
                                          >>> > > > in
                                          >> time
                                          >>> > for
                                          >>> > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > All best,
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > --jake
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > >
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                                        • eighth_conn_inf
                                          I ve only found one source on line--Morningside--at $250!! Poor me. ... eBay?
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                                            I've only found one source on line--Morningside--at $250!! Poor me.

                                            --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Larry,
                                            >
                                            > Sorry. All gone. No more.
                                            >
                                            > Stephen
                                            >
                                            > On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 12:38 PM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:
                                            >
                                            > > Sorry I didn't know you had a set for sale--did you put them on
                                            eBay?
                                            > > If "yes," under what category? Do you have another set for sale?
                                            > >
                                            >
                                          • Stephen Recker
                                            Larry, Sorry. All gone. No more. Stephen
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                                              Larry,

                                              Sorry. All gone. No more.

                                              Stephen

                                              On Monday, October 29, 2007, at 12:38 PM, eighth_conn_inf wrote:

                                              > Sorry I didn't know you had a set for sale--did you put them on eBay?
                                              > If "yes," under what category? Do you have another set for sale?
                                              >
                                            • Brian Richardson
                                              There seems to be no copyright info in the documentation that accompanies the map CD sold in the bookstore, but the maps themselves have a 1904 date. Brian
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Oct 29, 2007
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                                                There seems to be no copyright info in the documentation that
                                                accompanies the map CD sold in the bookstore, but the maps themselves
                                                have a 1904 date.

                                                Brian Richardson


                                                --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                                                <joseph_pierro@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of
                                                the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the first (1904)
                                                edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same edition twice--
                                                instead of digitizing one set of each edition--is beyond me
                                                >
                                                > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                                Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to justify
                                                reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of that what you
                                                will. I can say that in some instances the position of a given
                                                regiment is substantively changed from one edition to the next, while
                                                in many others it's simply a matter of correcting a typo on one of
                                                the maps or adding in a label that was left off of a particular
                                                plate.
                                                >
                                                > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't say
                                                which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info appears
                                                somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first edition; if 1908,
                                                it's the 2d.
                                                >
                                                > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                                (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                                interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                                Gettysburg VC.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > ----- Original Message ----
                                                > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
                                                > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                                > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                                >
                                                > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                                                > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                                earlier
                                                > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                                > version?
                                                >
                                                > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is
                                                the
                                                > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of
                                                the
                                                > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                                versions
                                                > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you
                                                are
                                                > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                                                high
                                                > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                                > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                                >
                                                > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                                                > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                                                > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                                > include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                                                > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                                >
                                                > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                                >
                                                > Larry
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                                > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                                > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                                information
                                                > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                                                > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                                > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                                Atlas
                                                > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                                > >
                                                > > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                                one.
                                                > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                                Gettysburg
                                                > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin
                                                did
                                                > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                                                > day).
                                                > >
                                                > > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                                                > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do
                                                is
                                                > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                                > >
                                                > > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                                > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                                                > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                                                > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                                > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                                > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                                > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                                > >
                                                > > Jake,
                                                > >
                                                > > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                                > >
                                                > > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                                > > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                                > would
                                                > > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                                > > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                                > >
                                                > > Larry
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                                > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                                Books
                                                > > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                                > set
                                                > > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                                > > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                                > > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                                recent
                                                > > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                                Library
                                                > of
                                                > > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                                > > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                                > > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                                > access
                                                > > to them at all.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Best,
                                                > > >
                                                > > > --j
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                                > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                                > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                                > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Jake,
                                                > > >
                                                > > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-
                                                Cope
                                                > > maps
                                                > > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                                                > pls
                                                > > > let me know.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Larry
                                                > > >
                                                > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                                > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                                sort
                                                > > of
                                                > > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                                                > as
                                                > > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > --j
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                > > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                                > > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                                > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                                > > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Jake,
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                                                > will
                                                > > be
                                                > > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                                late,
                                                > > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                                > > > > wonderful.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                                > first
                                                > > > saw
                                                > > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                                done.
                                                > > > Good
                                                > > > > luck on our recovery.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Larry
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                                > > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                                                > the
                                                > > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                                                > from
                                                > > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                                > > last
                                                > > > I
                                                > > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                                > > left
                                                > > > on
                                                > > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                                                > to
                                                > > > the
                                                > > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                                > > > > appendix.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                                > > > > poisoning
                                                > > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                                hospital
                                                > > > ever
                                                > > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                                > > date.
                                                > > > As
                                                > > > > I
                                                > > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                                100%
                                                > > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                                done,
                                                > > > it'll
                                                > > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                                > > > > physically
                                                > > > > > produce books.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                                > going
                                                > > to
                                                > > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                                                > time
                                                > > > for
                                                > > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > All best,
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > --jake
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
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                                              • Joseph Pierro
                                                If the maps on that disc are dated 1904, then they re from the original edition of the Antietam Atlas. Given the fact that they are digitized on a CD, I m
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Oct 30, 2007
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                                                  If the maps on that disc are dated 1904, then they're from the original edition of the Antietam Atlas.

                                                  Given the fact that they are digitized on a CD, I'm willing to bet that the CD was made from the same set of scans that the LoC has now made available on its website.


                                                  ----- Original Message ----
                                                  From: Brian Richardson <BrianSRich@...>
                                                  To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:53:07 AM
                                                  Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update

                                                  There seems to be no copyright info in the documentation that
                                                  accompanies the map CD sold in the bookstore, but the maps themselves
                                                  have a 1904 date.

                                                  Brian Richardson

                                                  --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                                  <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate scans of
                                                  the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the first (1904)
                                                  edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same edition twice--
                                                  instead of digitizing one set of each edition--is beyond me
                                                  >
                                                  > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
                                                  Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to justify
                                                  reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of that what you
                                                  will. I can say that in some instances the position of a given
                                                  regiment is substantively changed from one edition to the next, while
                                                  in many others it's simply a matter of correcting a typo on one of
                                                  the maps or adding in a label that was left off of a particular
                                                  plate.
                                                  >
                                                  > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't say
                                                  which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info appears
                                                  somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first edition; if 1908,
                                                  it's the 2d.
                                                  >
                                                  > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
                                                  (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
                                                  interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
                                                  Gettysburg VC.
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > ----- Original Message ----
                                                  > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
                                                  > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
                                                  > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                                  >
                                                  > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of Carman's
                                                  > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
                                                  earlier
                                                  > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
                                                  > version?
                                                  >
                                                  > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas is
                                                  the
                                                  > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings of
                                                  the
                                                  > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
                                                  versions
                                                  > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So you
                                                  are
                                                  > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
                                                  high
                                                  > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
                                                  > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
                                                  >
                                                  > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can the
                                                  > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at $250 a
                                                  > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
                                                  > include the minimum number a printer would require before it would
                                                  > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
                                                  >
                                                  > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
                                                  >
                                                  > Larry
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                                  > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
                                                  > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
                                                  information
                                                  > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to, say,
                                                  > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
                                                  > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
                                                  Atlas
                                                  > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
                                                  one.
                                                  > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
                                                  Gettysburg
                                                  > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom Desjardin
                                                  did
                                                  > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for each
                                                  > day).
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then you
                                                  > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to do
                                                  is
                                                  > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
                                                  > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates high-res
                                                  > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even on a
                                                  > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                  > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                                  > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
                                                  > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Jake,
                                                  > >
                                                  > > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                                  > > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                                  > would
                                                  > > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                                  > > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Larry
                                                  > >
                                                  > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                                  > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
                                                  Books
                                                  > > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                                  > set
                                                  > > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                                  > > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                                  > > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
                                                  recent
                                                  > > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
                                                  Library
                                                  > of
                                                  > > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                                  > > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                                  > > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                                  > access
                                                  > > to them at all.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Best,
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > --j
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                  > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                                  > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
                                                  > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Jake,
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-
                                                  Cope
                                                  > > maps
                                                  > > > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help,
                                                  > pls
                                                  > > > let me know.
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Larry
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
                                                  > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
                                                  sort
                                                  > > of
                                                  > > > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might
                                                  > as
                                                  > > > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > --j
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                  > > > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
                                                  > > > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
                                                  > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                                  > > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Jake,
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you
                                                  > will
                                                  > > be
                                                  > > > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
                                                  late,
                                                  > > > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                                  > > > > wonderful.
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
                                                  > first
                                                  > > > saw
                                                  > > > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
                                                  done.
                                                  > > > Good
                                                  > > > > luck on our recovery.
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Larry
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                                  > > > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on
                                                  > the
                                                  > > > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming
                                                  > from
                                                  > > > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                                  > > last
                                                  > > > I
                                                  > > > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                                  > > left
                                                  > > > on
                                                  > > > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go
                                                  > to
                                                  > > > the
                                                  > > > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                                  > > > > appendix.
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                                  > > > > poisoning
                                                  > > > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
                                                  hospital
                                                  > > > ever
                                                  > > > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                                  > > date.
                                                  > > > As
                                                  > > > > I
                                                  > > > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
                                                  100%
                                                  > > > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
                                                  done,
                                                  > > > it'll
                                                  > > > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                                  > > > > physically
                                                  > > > > > produce books.
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
                                                  > going
                                                  > > to
                                                  > > > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in
                                                  > time
                                                  > > > for
                                                  > > > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > All best,
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > --jake
                                                  > > > > >
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                                                • eighth_conn_inf
                                                  Jake, Could you contact me with a PM at killsour@hotmail.com with a question re your pub date moved to January 2008? Thank you, Larry Freiheit ... maps ... of
                                                  Message 24 of 26 , Dec 17, 2007
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                                                    Jake,

                                                    Could you contact me with a PM at killsour@... with a
                                                    question re your pub date moved to January 2008?

                                                    Thank you,

                                                    Larry Freiheit


                                                    --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "eighth_conn_inf"
                                                    <eighth_conn_inf@...> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > Jake,
                                                    >
                                                    > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the Carmen-Cope
                                                    maps
                                                    > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to help, pls
                                                    > let me know.
                                                    >
                                                    > Larry
                                                    >
                                                    > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                                                    > <joseph_pierro@> wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some sort
                                                    of
                                                    > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it might as
                                                    > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
                                                    > >
                                                    > > --j
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > > ----- Original Message ----
                                                    > > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@>
                                                    > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
                                                    > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Jake,
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that you will
                                                    be
                                                    > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be late,
                                                    > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will be
                                                    > > wonderful.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I first
                                                    > saw
                                                    > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it done.
                                                    > Good
                                                    > > luck on our recovery.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Larry
                                                    > >
                                                    > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
                                                    > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats) on the
                                                    > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was coming from
                                                    > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book, when
                                                    last
                                                    > I
                                                    > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of work
                                                    left
                                                    > on
                                                    > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to go to
                                                    > the
                                                    > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with the
                                                    > > appendix.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with food
                                                    > > poisoning
                                                    > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the hospital
                                                    > ever
                                                    > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new release
                                                    date.
                                                    > As
                                                    > > I
                                                    > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was 100%
                                                    > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM done,
                                                    > it'll
                                                    > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and then
                                                    > > physically
                                                    > > > produce books.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm going
                                                    to
                                                    > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship in time
                                                    > for
                                                    > > > Xmas deliveries.
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > All best,
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > --jake
                                                    > > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
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                                                    > > Do You Yahoo!?
                                                    > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
                                                    > > http://mail.yahoo.com
                                                    > >
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                                                    > >
                                                    >
                                                  • eighth_conn_inf
                                                    Tom, I know a photographer who might be able to help. Do you have any specifics on the negatives you have? Are they the 1908 version? Larry ... large ... sell
                                                    Message 25 of 26 , Dec 31, 2007
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                                                      Tom,

                                                      I know a photographer who might be able to help. Do you have any
                                                      specifics on the negatives you have? Are they the 1908 version?

                                                      Larry


                                                      --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
                                                      wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > Larry,
                                                      > Save Historic Antietam Foundation at one time considered printing
                                                      > copies for sale, but the numbers did not work out. To print them
                                                      large
                                                      > enough to be legible is pretty pricey and we didn't think we could
                                                      sell
                                                      > enough to make it worthwhile. Given the access of the LOC site, it
                                                      is
                                                      > less likely now. If you have any ideas about production, we have
                                                      8x10
                                                      > photo negatives of all fourteen maps.
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
                                                      > Professor of History
                                                      > Hagerstown Community College
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > >>> "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...> 10/29/2007 8:27 AM
                                                      > >>>
                                                      > Jake,
                                                      >
                                                      > I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
                                                      >
                                                      > Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make a
                                                      > profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
                                                      would
                                                      > buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as being
                                                      > printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
                                                      >
                                                      > Larry
                                                      >
                                                      > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Pierro
                                                      > <joseph_pierro@> wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside Books
                                                      > isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the full
                                                      set
                                                      > of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in full
                                                      > color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose (they
                                                      > shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in recent
                                                      > years to a project like the Carman atlas.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the Library
                                                      of
                                                      > Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
                                                      > second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant digital
                                                      > database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
                                                      access
                                                      > to them at all.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Best,
                                                      > >
                                                      > > --j
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