Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Battlefield off beaten path sites and question
- Dear Ron,
Not at all. Thank you for your help.
Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers
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----- Original Message -----
From: "dickeyr46" <dickeyr46@...>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Battlefield off beaten path sites and
> I've never seen a brochure that covers the terrain west of Hwy 65.
> Perhaps some of the other members might know of one. Map 5 of the
> Battle Maps Brian Downey has posted on AoTW,
> http://aotw.org/maps.php?map_number=5, is excellent. It clearly
> the 1st Minn and the 13th Vir, which was posted from Early's Brigade
> as support for the horse artillery. Another good source of what the
> terrain is like is the map Todd Livsey did,
> http://www.westwoodgalleries.com/antietam/maps/viewmaps.html. He has
> overlaid the 1862 vegetation and roads with white lines depicting
> modern roads. Todd has also marked the park boundary in purple. Both
> of these maps help.
> If I were drawing a map, this is what I'd do. From the Dunker
> walk west out Confederate Ave. past the 34th NY and 125th PA
> monuments. Carefully cross Hwy 65 bypass and continue west along the
> dirt park road about 200 meters. This should put you at a small tree
> line running N and S. Head N along the line. It is a bit rough...
> out croppings. Hauser Ridge rises to your left and there is open
> "pasture" to your right. You'll see the Locher barn first and then
> cabin to the right. They are marked as A. Poffenberger on most maps.
> The barn is visible from Hwy 65; the cabin is not because of
> vegetation. Continue NNW for a couple of hundred more meters. It is
> amazing how the vegetaion and terrain reveal themselves. This area
> where Grigsby's men and the artillery stopped and held Gorman's
> Brigade while McLaws' brigades and others attacked.
> The 15th Mass. monument is just NE of the Locher cabin, on the east
> side of Hwy 65. I found the other good place to cross 65 is to
> the farm path from the cabin, south to the barn. There is a gate in
> the fence at the barn making it easy to get to the road for
> The original War Dept. tour road is east of and parallels 65 here.
> Head north a hundred meters for the 15th Mass. monument. Few people
> recognize that tablets and monuments are along this "path."
> I've been too verbose and perhaps stated the obvious, but I hope
> helps on your tour.
> Ron Dickey
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
>> Dear Ron,
>> Thank you for the excellent suggestion! I will make contact at ANBP
>> with one of the rangers to arrange for a copy of that brochure to
>> Is there also a brochure of the NW corner of the West Woods where
>> Pelham had his artillery?
>> Yr. Obt. Svt.
>> G E "Gerry" Mayers
>> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even on
>> one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union,
>> passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the
>> God. --Anonymous
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dickeyr46" <dickeyr46@...>
>> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 8:03 AM
>> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Battlefield off beaten path sites
>> > Gerry,
>> > The suggestion of the area around the Locher cabin and the Hauser
>> > Ridge are excellent. Do not miss the NW portion of the West Woods
>> > where the 1st Minn was greeted with Pelham's artillery as they
>> > emeged
>> > from the woods. This NW corner tree line appears to be fairly
>> > true
>> > to
>> > the Carmen-Cope maps.
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Thanks for suggesting the Cornfield trail. Yesterday (Memorial Day
weekend) I walked the trail from Autostop 4. It was early Sunday
morning -- hazy but sunny; beautiful. As you predicted, I encountered
no one, although I did meet a fox, trotting along the northern
fenceline, that bounded off into the wheat when it saw me. It's only
when one walks the ground that one sees how deceptively contured
Miller's fields are. What looks like level ground from the road is
really a quirky patchwork of undulations. It would compartmentalize any
small-unit action here, the enemy appearing and disappearing from a
soldier's view as he moved forward.
The trail, after running east, turns north again towards Mansfield
Ave/Poffenberger lane. In this vicinity, at "the northwest angle" of
the woods and cornfield the artist Frank H. Schell [Battles & Leaders]
sketched Confederate wounded, including "a tall, young Georgian with a
shattered ankle" sitting next to his dead father. Would these have been
members of Colquitt's command?
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "dickeyr46" <dickeyr46@...> wrote:
> The suggestion of the area around the Locher cabin and the Hauser
> Ridge are excellent. Do not miss the NW portion of the West Woods
> where the 1st Minn was greeted with Pelham's artillery as they emeged
> from the woods. This NW corner tree line appears to be fairly true to
> the Carmen-Cope maps.
> Here's a suggestion for another easy to get to spot... it is the
> northeast corner of the Cornfield. If you get the NPS broucher "The
> Cornfield Trail," this location is marked as stop 4. It is easily
> reached by walking from Auto Tour Stop 4, north through the Cornfield
> using the trail, and then east along the northern Cornfield fence to
> where the Cornfield meets the East Woods. This spot trully is a
> location of "serenity and sacrifice." This spot is peaceful, with no
> vehicle traffic and little foot traffic. Yet, this corner of the
> Cornfield equaled or exceeded the violence of the western side where
> Gibbons fought. From the initial passing of Duryea's brigade at 6 am,
> to the attacks by Hay's Tigers, Hartsuff's men, and Law's Brigade, the
> stand by the Penn. Reserves, Ripley and Gordon facing each other, and
> finally Tyndale rolling up Colquitt's flank, this corner overlooked 3
> hours of back-and-forth sacrifice. This location is also neat in that
> most of the states had units in action in this vicinity. This corner
> was described as "...dead men literally piled upon and across each
> other" by one of Tyndale's regimental commanders. Of note is what you
> can't see from here... you can't see Miller's farm house, nor can you
> see the West Woods. This is a fantastic spot to appreciate how
> restrictive the terrain could be.
> Well, that's a suggestion as a way to appreciate the Cornfield from
> other than the "standard" read from Auto Stop 4.
> Ron Dickey
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" gerry1952@ wrote:
> > Gang,
> > In October (October 15th) I will be hosting a tour at Sharpsburg
> > (Antietam) battlefield for the Civil War Discussion Group Fall 2006
> > Muster. I realize some members of this board are also members of the
> > other board.... but this is not a cross posting.
> > I write with three main requests:
> > 1. In addition to the remaining portion of the West Woods between
> > Philadelphia Brigade park and the SR 64 bypass, what other off the
> > beaten path areas in the park are there in the area of the Morning
> > Phases of the battle that can be visited with needing special
> > permission to do so?
- More likely C. M. Douglas' brigade from Lawton's Div.
Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College
>>> camdensquare@... 05/29/06 8:48 AM >>>
- After I posted my first message about Schell, I noticed John M. Priest
includes this incident in his Antietam book. Priest says that Frank
Schell sketched the wounded Confederate and his dead father shortly
after the artist "crossed the left of the 21 Georgia's former line"
(page 167). The 21st GA, part of Trimble's [Walker's] brigade, had
been sent forward to shore up Lawton and Ripley's line between Mumma's
lane and the Cornfield.
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com> , "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
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> More likely C. M. Douglas' brigade from Lawton's Div.
> Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
> Professor of History
> Hagerstown Community College
> >>> camdensquare@... 05/29/06 8:48 AM >>>
- Yes that makes sense too. Good.
Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College
>>> camdensquare@... 05/30/06 5:03 PM >>>