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  • RoteBaron@comcast.net
    From today s Hagerstown Herald-Mail: The World Knights of the Ku Klux Klan has received permission to rally at Antietam National Battlefield in June, park
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 26 5:24 AM
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      From today's Hagerstown Herald-Mail:
      The World Knights of the Ku Klux Klan has received permission to rally at Antietam National Battlefield in June, park superintendent John Howard said Tuesday. The U.S. Constitution is the basis for the permit that allows the white supremacist group to assemble June 10 at Mumma Farmstead, according to a copy of the document provided by the group's commander, Gordon Young.
      "We have a requirement to evaluate applications that are submitted under the First Amendment of the Constitution," Howard said. According to Howard, the group's application indicates about 100 people will turn out for the rally. The park has identified separate areas where media and protesters would assemble, if necessary, and several law enforcement agencies will be responsible for maintaining order, Howard said.
      "We're not anticipating any problems, but we have to have resources available that do two things: First, make sure that Mr. Young and his group can exercise their Constitutional rights, and two, protect all involved," Howard said.
      The National Park Service Park Police, Maryland State Police and Washington County Sheriff's Department would provide security at the event, Howard said. The agencies will meet over the next two weeks to discuss preparations and staffing for the event, he said.
      Young said he invited about 300 people, including members of the National Socialist Movement, Aryan Nation, Keystone Skinheads, Maryland Skinheads and Empire Knights. About 100 police kept order at a World Knights rally in Sharpsburg two years ago, The Herald-Mail reported at the time. Only about 10 supporters of the Knights showed up. Young said Tuesday that other supporters would have been at the Sharpsburg rally, but they missed a bus. The Knights canceled a rally in Boonsboro last year. Howard said Young's permit application requested security for the group. "He expressed concern for the safety of his group," Howard said.
      In his 11 years at the park, Howard said he knows of no other instance in which the park has processed a First Amendment permit, which allows an individual or group to use the park to exercise Constitutional freedoms such as free speech. "It would be very difficult to find a reason why a First Amendment permit would be denied," Howard said. Howard said he hopes people opposed to the KKK will choose not to rally at the park, but he said anyone filing a counter-demonstration permit application would be given the same consideration as Young's group.
      Protesters would assemble in a separate area within sight of the KKK, and the groups would be able to communicate, Howard said. "Does that mean they're going to face one another? Oh no. They would be separated by a safe distance, if such an event were to happen," Howard said.
      Tom Shay

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    • Stephen Recker
      What rank did Hooker graduate in the West Point class of 1837? Thanks. Stephen
      Message 2 of 11 , Apr 28 7:14 AM
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        What rank did Hooker graduate in the West Point class of 1837? Thanks.

        Stephen
      • G E Mayers
        Stephen; IIRC all cadets graduating from USMA before the War were commissioned as Brevet Second Lieutenants. Yr. Obt. Svt. G E Gerry Mayers To Be A
        Message 3 of 11 , Apr 28 7:15 AM
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          Stephen;

          IIRC all cadets graduating from USMA before the War were commissioned
          as Brevet Second Lieutenants.

          Yr. Obt. Svt.
          G E "Gerry" Mayers

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        • Stephen Recker
          Found it. #28. Thanks. -sjr
          Message 4 of 11 , Apr 28 7:16 AM
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            Found it. #28. Thanks.

            -sjr

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          • Stephen Recker
            I m sorry, what I meant was that I was looking for what place in his class he graduated. I found it. It is #28. Thanks. -sjr
            Message 5 of 11 , Apr 28 7:21 AM
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              I'm sorry, what I meant was that I was looking for what place in his
              class he graduated. I found it. It is #28. Thanks.

              -sjr

              On Friday, April 28, 2006, at 10:15 AM, G E Mayers wrote:

              > Stephen;
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              > IIRC all cadets graduating from USMA before the War were commissioned
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              > one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the Union, a
              > passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the Almighty
              > God. --Anonymous
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            • Stephen Recker
              Is there a date set for the re-dedication of the Maryland Monument? Thanks. Stephen
              Message 6 of 11 , Apr 28 8:01 AM
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                Is there a date set for the re-dedication of the Maryland Monument?
                Thanks.

                Stephen
              • Brian Downey
                FWIW, Stephen, Heitmann has Hooker at #29. At least that s what my copy looks like. Brian
                Message 7 of 11 , Apr 28 9:06 AM
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                  FWIW, Stephen, Heitmann has Hooker at #29. At least that's what my
                  copy looks like.

                  Brian
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                • Stephen Recker
                  Interesting. It was on the Internet, so it must be true. ;-) I got my info from Harper s Weekly:
                  Message 8 of 11 , Apr 28 9:33 AM
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                    Interesting. It was on the Internet, so it must be true. ;-)

                    I got my info from Harper's Weekly:

                    http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/civil-war/1863/february/
                    fighting-joe-hooker-biography.htm

                    Stephen


                    On Friday, April 28, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Brian Downey wrote:

                    > FWIW, Stephen, Heitmann has Hooker at #29. At least that's what my
                    > copy looks like.
                  • barringer63
                    ... Mine too, Brian, as does the official register for the class of 1837. Among the familiar names of classmates who ranked higher than Joe are Edward
                    Message 9 of 11 , Apr 28 9:39 AM
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                      Brian Downey wrote:
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                      > FWIW, Stephen, Heitmann has Hooker at #29. At least that's what my
                      > copy looks like.

                      Mine too, Brian, as does the official register for the class of
                      1837. Among the familiar names of classmates who ranked higher than
                      Joe are Edward Townsend, Jubal Early, John Sedgwick, and John
                      Pemberton. To find more on Hooker and his career go to:

                      http://www.library.usma.edu/archives/special.asp

                      Hooker's Cullum number is 919, which is the way you need to search
                      for him.

                      Teej
                    • Thomas Clemens
                      Yes, Patti Faust s book has 29th too. However, I don t think too much should be made of the ranking. As your list demonstates, rank had little to do with
                      Message 10 of 11 , Apr 28 10:19 AM
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                        Yes, Patti Faust's book has 29th too. However, I don't think too much
                        should be made of the ranking. As your list demonstates, rank had
                        little to do with success in a military career.


                        Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
                        Professor of History
                        Hagerstown Community College



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                        Brian Downey wrote:
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                        > FWIW, Stephen, Heitmann has Hooker at #29. At least that's what my
                        > copy looks like.

                        Mine too, Brian, as does the official register for the class of
                        1837. Among the familiar names of classmates who ranked higher than
                        Joe are Edward Townsend, Jubal Early, John Sedgwick, and John
                        Pemberton. To find more on Hooker and his career go to:

                        http://www.library.usma.edu/archives/special.asp

                        Hooker's Cullum number is 919, which is the way you need to search
                        for him.

                        Teej














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                      • Stephen Recker
                        Fair enough, then. 29th it is! Thanks for chiming in, ya ll. Stephen
                        Message 11 of 11 , Apr 28 11:15 AM
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                          Fair enough, then. 29th it is! Thanks for chiming in, ya'll.

                          Stephen

                          On Friday, April 28, 2006, at 01:19 PM, Thomas Clemens wrote:

                          > Yes, Patti Faust's book has 29th too. However, I don't think too much
                          > should be made of the ranking. As your list demonstates, rank had
                          > little to do with success in a military career.
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