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  • richard@rcroker.com
    Cool -- I shall. ... From: NJ Rebel To: Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam]
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      Cool -- I shall.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "NJ Rebel" <gerry1952@...>
      To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 3:28 PM
      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] No Greater Courage


      > Dear Richard,
      >
      > Ask Tom Clemens to announce it on the CWDG.. .it is very relevant
      > there!
      >
      > Yr. Obt. Svt.
      > G E "Gerry" Mayers
      >
      > "....the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the
      > people of the United States, may be resumed by them, whenever the same
      > shall be perverted to their injury or oppression;.."
      > Act of State of Virginia adopting the Federal Constitution, 26 June
      > 1788
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <richard@...>
      > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:20 PM
      > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] No Greater Courage
      >
      >
      > > Forgot this page won't allow attachments...
      > >
      > > trust me -- it looks REAL nice.
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: <richard@...>
      > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:08 PM
      > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] No Greater Courage
      > >
      > >
      > >> While understanding the you guys are definately NOT my target
      > >> audience, I
      > > nonetheless thought you might like to know...Available now "at fine
      > > bookstores everywhere."
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > >> From: <richard@...>
      > >> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > >> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 11:28 AM
      > >> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Sears on Mc
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> > No question -- he didn't fabricate the numbers for purely
      > >> > excusatory
      > >> > reasons. He genuinely believed them. And you couldn't possibly
      > >> > be
      > >> > "righter." A hugely complex personality. In the recent debate,
      > >> > I must
      > > say
      > >> > that I occupy the middle ground. I neither admire nor revile the
      > >> > man.
      > > He
      > >> > was what he was. It was, in fact, a MUCH more difficult chore to
      > >> > deal
      > > with
      > >> > the "why's" of Burnside at Fredericksburg than with Mac at
      > >> > Antietam. I
      > > had
      > >> > to jump through some serious hoops to figure out how Ambrose
      > >> > justified
      > > that
      > >> > one.
      > >> >
      > >> >
      > >> > ----- Original Message -----
      > >> > From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
      > >> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > >> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 6:48 PM
      > >> > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Sears on Mc
      > >> >
      > >> >
      > >> > > Richard,
      > >> > > I hope you do not think I spanked you, that was certainly not
      > >> > > my
      > > intent.
      > >> > > I just offered what I think is a more accurate assessment. I
      > >> > > will
      > >> > > quote Ezra Carman, Antietam's official historian, a source not
      > > consulted
      > >> > > by Williams and (appraently) ignored by Sears.
      > >> > >
      > >> > > "On the 2nd of September McClellan was assigned to the
      > >> > > command of
      > >> > > the forces for the defense of Washington, on the 3rd he was
      > >> > > ordered to
      > >> > > prepare an army for active operations in the field. By the
      > >> > > evening of
      > >> > > the 5th, in less than four days, the defeated, disorganized and
      > >> > > partially demoralized army lying around Washington was ready
      > >> > > for the
      > >> > > field. On the morning of the 6th McClellan was verbally
      > >> > > assigned to
      > > the
      > >> > > command of the army in the field; on the morning of the 19th,
      > >> > > after
      > >> > > marching seventy miles and fighting the battles of Crampton's
      > >> > > Gap,
      > >> > > Turner's Gap and Antietam, he telegraphed to Halleck: "I have
      > >> > > the
      > > honor
      > >> > > to report that Maryland is entirely free from the presence of
      > >> > > the
      > > enemy
      > >> > > who have been driven across the Potomac."
      > >> > >
      > >> > > I would add to that asessment that he was told repeatedly that
      > >> > > he was
      > >> > > outnumbered, yet made these attacks anyway. How does that
      > >> > > square with
      > >> > > "timidity and moral cowardice?" Also, if he was such a poor
      > >> > > general,
      > >> > > why does Lee, after the war, pronounce him the most able
      > >> > > general he
      > >> > > faced? Clearly the man was more complex than the caricature
      > >> > > that
      > > Sears
      > >> > > & Williams created.
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Although it was not written when you did your book, I think you
      > >> > > should
      > >> > > read Rafuse's "McClellan's War" as an alternative view to
      > >> > > Williams and
      > >> > > Sears. It is the best portrayal of the man, warts and all.
      > >> > > Not as
      > >> > > adulutory as Warren Hassler's "Sword and Shield of the Union"
      > >> > > which I
      > >> > > guess you did not read, nor as damning as Sears. I highly
      > >> > > recommend
      > >> > > it.
      > >> > > Tom Clemens
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
      > >> > > Professor of History
      > >> > > Hagerstown Community College
      > >> > >
      > >> > >
      > >> > > >>> richard@... 02/24/06 3:54 PM >>>
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