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  • richard@rcroker.com
    I don t think he arrested home before Cedar Mountain. He yelled at him, but didn t arrest him. The arrest was after 2nd Manassas. ... From: G E Mayers
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      I don't think he arrested home before Cedar Mountain. He yelled at him, but
      didn't arrest him. The arrest was after 2nd Manassas.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
      To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:53 AM
      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: how it really happened


      > Richard,
      >
      > I believe you are correct. Also, IIRC, didn't Stonewall put him under
      arrest
      > just before Cedar Mountain?
      >
      > Very respectfully,
      > G E "Gerry" Mayers
      > Confederate Signal Corps,
      > Longstreet's Corps
      >
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <richard@...>
      > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:44 AM
      > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: how it really happened
      >
      >
      > >I believe the quote is, "If my daughter marries you she will lead a life
      of
      > > poverty, exile and depravation." By the tinme Antietam rolled around,
      > > Little Powell was very happy with his own wife and hopelessly devoted to
      > > Nettie (I believe), his toddling daughter (who Hill was informed died as
      > > he
      > > prepared for action on Dec 13, '62). Actually, if Powell arrived on the
      > > field with an attitude that day, it was to prove something not to Mary
      > > Ellen
      > > or Mac or Marcy...It was Stonewall...
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>
      > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:00 AM
      > > Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] Re: how it really happened
      > >
      > >
      > >> What I was referring to regarding Hill/McClellan is the popular story
      > >> that
      > >> Hill wished to extract some sort of revenge on McClellan. If Hill was
      > >> looking for revenge against anybody, it would have been Mac's
      > > chief-of-staff
      > >> and father-in-law, Marcy, or more probably his wife. The issue was not
      > > one
      > >> of preference by Mary Ellen between Mac and Powell, but rather her
      > >> parents
      > >> and their disapproval of Hill.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> Harry
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> -----Original Message-----
      > >> From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
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      > > On
      > >> Behalf Of richard@...
      > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:52 AM
      > >> To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      > >> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: how it really happened
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> As to "the way it really happened" conversation -- here's my view.
      That
      > > is
      > >> true of almost EVERYTHING we know about individuals in history. Did
      the
      > >> Robert E. Lee/Robert E. Lee, Jr. story really happen? It sounds
      > >> contrived
      > >> to me. But so much does. While researching my second book, I came
      > >> across
      > >> the story of the color guard private who lost a hand at Fredericksburg,
      > > and
      > >> didn't drop the flag. He just shifted it to his "remaining" hand and
      > >> continued up Marye's Heights. Then he lost that hand as well and
      > >> clutched
      > >> the staff against his chest and continued up Marye's Heights,
      eventually
      > >> asking his CO's permission to return to the rear for medical
      assistance.
      > >> Sound contrived? Uh -- yeah. Until you see the photograph of the bold
      > > and
      > >> handless kid -- then it takes on some credibility.
      > >>
      > >> But so much of what was written -- even after action reports -- take on
      > > such
      > >> an attitude of vainglorious self aggrandizement as to make much of what
      > >> we
      > >> "know" doubtful. Even if it is verified by additional sources we have
      to
      > > be
      > >> careful. If Fitz John Porter says something good about McClellan or
      bad
      > >> about Pope, we still have to consider the source. Both sides had
      > > effective
      > >> and sophisticated propoganda machines as well. This is why I write
      > > "history
      > >> as fiction." It is my contention that to a certain extent all history
      is
      > >> flavored with fiction.
      > >>
      > >> In closing -- a quotation. I was once a documentary filmmaker working
      on
      > > a
      > >> TLC project about ancient Rome. I asked a scholar, "How much of what
      we
      > >> hear about the truly degenerate emperors of Rome are we to believe?"
      > >> This
      > >> is what he said -- (imagine a THICK, aristocratic, British accent --
      it's
      > >> far more entertaining that way.)
      > >>
      > >> History is NOT an objective reportage of the facts. The history of
      Rome
      > > was
      > >> written by the aristocracy and the aristocracy had an interest in
      > > belittling
      > >> the emperors. Well, you can't belittle an emperor while he's living --
      > >> so
      > >> you belittle him -- WHILE HE'S DEAD.
      > >>
      > >> Just an observation (and a bit of a "rant.")
      > >>
      > >> Richard
      > >>
      > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > >> From: <bdowney@...>
      > >> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > >> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:48 PM
      > >> Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Armistead
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> > Thanks Teej,
      > >> >
      > >> > This is just the kind of thing I needed. It clears up the apparent
      > >> conflict nicely. Thanks
      > >> > also for popping this one to the surface Mr Croker.
      > >> >
      > >> > Brian
      > >> >
      > >> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > >> > From: "Teej Smith" <teej@...>
      > >> > Date sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:09:29 -0400
      > >> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Armistead was] Re: West Point @
      > >> Antietam
      > >> > Send reply to: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      > >> >
      > >> > > Brian,
      > >> > >
      > >> > > In his monograph titled "Trust in God and Fear Nothing" : Gen.
      > > Lewis
      > >> A.
      > >> > > Armistead, CSA, Wayne Motts wrote, "Emboldened by his success at
      > > Second
      > >> > > Manassas, Lee launched an offensive into Maryland that culminated
      in
      > > the
      > >>
      > >> > > Battle of Sharpsburg (Antietam to northerners), but here again,
      > >> Armistead
      > >> > > saw limited action. In early September, while serving in the
      > > Confederate
      > >>
      > >> > > division commanded by Major General Richard H. Anderson, Armistead
      > >> > > was
      > >> > > appointed Provost Marshal of the Army of Northern Virginia. He
      served
      > > on
      > >>
      > >> > > this assignment until September 26, 1862., and from all accounts,
      his
      > >> > > brigade remained with him as his guard for the task. Brought in at
      > >> > > Sharpsburg, his brigade arrived on the field on the morning of
      > > September
      > >> 17,
      > >> > > but instead of joining their division near the sunken road were
      held
      > >> back in
      > >> > > support of McLaw's Division near the Dunker Church. Here the troops
      > >> > > of
      > >> the
      > >> > > Union Second Army Corps had been beaten off, and Armistead's men
      were
      > >> needed
      > >> > > to shore up the Confederate defenses in the area. Uncomfortable at
      > > being
      > >>
      > >> > > held in reserve, Armistead stood in front of the brigade anxiously
      > >> awaiting
      > >> > > the call for battle. Incredibly, a stray cannon ball rolled over
      the
      > >> hill
      > >> > > and struck him on the foot, thereby putting him out of action.
      > > Although
      > >> not
      > >> > > seriously injured he was compelled to relinquish his command to
      > > Colonel
      > >> > > James G. Hodges and leave the field."...."During the Maryland
      > >> > > campaign
      > >> > > Armistead's five regiments reported only thirty-five casualties."
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Regards,
      > >> > > Teej
      > >> > >
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