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  • Brian Morris
    Currently there is a moratorium on monuments on NPS Civil War battlefields until I think 2007. This was in part a result of the 11th Mississippi and North
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 3, 2005
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      Currently there is a moratorium on monuments on NPS Civil War battlefields
      until I think 2007. This was in part a result of the 11th Mississippi and
      North Carolina monuments in Gettysburg. Here's a few websites dealing with
      the idea of new monuments and the official bill proposing the lifting of the
      moratorium.
      http://www.civilwarnews.com/archive/articles/monument_policy_change.htm
      http://hometown.aol.com/cwrtnh/
      http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.2651:

      I think it is likely that this monument and others are inevitable. I
      actually talked to my local Congressman who is planning to support more
      monuments because he feels it's politically unwise not to. He was running
      against a Desert Storm veteran (almost lost) and felt he couldn't be shown
      to be anti veteran. This will likely be the case for many politicians who
      don't want to hand their opponents a nice little weapon come re-election.
      Unfortunately once we see a New Hampshire monument we will likely see many
      others as civil war groups go "Hey, how come there's no monument to the
      (insert regiment here) at Antietam".

      When the 11th Mississippi monument was placed near the Bryan's Farm in
      Gettysburg it broke precedence. In the past the general rule was "no
      regimental monuments in forward or transient positions". This was the rule
      set by the Civil War veterans committees in the 1880s covering monument
      placing. Then came the North Carolina and 11th Mississippi monuments which
      are placed near the Angle in Gettysburg thanks to some arm bending by a few
      Senators in Washington. The North Carolina one is placed perhaps 100 yards
      south of the sport where the Tar Heels actually hit the wall but the
      tourists would never see it so instead it was placed inside the angle and
      purposely farther up slope than the Armistead marker (Yes the fight over who
      got farther still rages on but that's another story).

      Like I said, if this goes through you are going to see not just a few but a
      lot of new monuments. You are going to see re-enactment groups who feel the
      unit they're recreating isn't properly represented and get their Senator to
      do some arm twisting to get the NPS to let them put it where ever they want.
      You'll see round table groups wanting their hometown hero to have a marker
      or monument to mark where they fought. Do we really want to see more
      monuments at the Angle, LRT or the Sunken Road? I don't but I have a feeling
      that we will.

      Brian

      >
      > Dr. Tom,
      >
      > That is a great idea! Can CWPT be made aware of this need?
      >
      > Also, could you please contact me privately? Thanks!
      >
      > Very respectfully,
      > G E "Gerry" Mayers
      > Confederate Signal Corps,
      > Longstreet's Corps
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      > From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
      > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:43 PM
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      > > be vigilant, follow up rumors. Write federal elected officials and let
      > > them know you care about it. As far as I know there is no bill yet, but
      > > there is a commission from NH working very strenuously to do this.
      > > Tom Clemens
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      > > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
      > > Professor of History
      > > Hagerstown Community College
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    • richard@rcroker.com
      My second book is about Fredericksburg -- talk about still fighting over who got closest to the wall!!!!! To this day you risk losing a friend if you suggest
      Message 2 of 6 , Mar 4, 2005
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        My second book is about Fredericksburg -- talk about still fighting over who
        got closest to the wall!!!!! To this day you risk losing a friend if you
        suggest that Meagher got closer than Howard. And speaking of Howard AND
        monuments...he and Richard (The Angel of the Battlefield) Kirkland are the
        only statues on Marye's Heights. That's a bit of a travesty in my view.

        BTW (WARNING -- shameless plug to follow) -- To Make Men Free is now out in
        paperback. The Fredericksburg book is scheduled for March, Oh Six.

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Brian Morris" <ironbrigade@...>
        To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:24 PM
        Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] What can be done?


        >
        > Currently there is a moratorium on monuments on NPS Civil War battlefields
        > until I think 2007. This was in part a result of the 11th Mississippi and
        > North Carolina monuments in Gettysburg. Here's a few websites dealing with
        > the idea of new monuments and the official bill proposing the lifting of
        the
        > moratorium.
        > http://www.civilwarnews.com/archive/articles/monument_policy_change.htm
        > http://hometown.aol.com/cwrtnh/
        > http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.2651:
        >
        > I think it is likely that this monument and others are inevitable. I
        > actually talked to my local Congressman who is planning to support more
        > monuments because he feels it's politically unwise not to. He was running
        > against a Desert Storm veteran (almost lost) and felt he couldn't be shown
        > to be anti veteran. This will likely be the case for many politicians who
        > don't want to hand their opponents a nice little weapon come re-election.
        > Unfortunately once we see a New Hampshire monument we will likely see many
        > others as civil war groups go "Hey, how come there's no monument to the
        > (insert regiment here) at Antietam".
        >
        > When the 11th Mississippi monument was placed near the Bryan's Farm in
        > Gettysburg it broke precedence. In the past the general rule was "no
        > regimental monuments in forward or transient positions". This was the rule
        > set by the Civil War veterans committees in the 1880s covering monument
        > placing. Then came the North Carolina and 11th Mississippi monuments which
        > are placed near the Angle in Gettysburg thanks to some arm bending by a
        few
        > Senators in Washington. The North Carolina one is placed perhaps 100 yards
        > south of the sport where the Tar Heels actually hit the wall but the
        > tourists would never see it so instead it was placed inside the angle and
        > purposely farther up slope than the Armistead marker (Yes the fight over
        who
        > got farther still rages on but that's another story).
        >
        > Like I said, if this goes through you are going to see not just a few but
        a
        > lot of new monuments. You are going to see re-enactment groups who feel
        the
        > unit they're recreating isn't properly represented and get their Senator
        to
        > do some arm twisting to get the NPS to let them put it where ever they
        want.
        > You'll see round table groups wanting their hometown hero to have a marker
        > or monument to mark where they fought. Do we really want to see more
        > monuments at the Angle, LRT or the Sunken Road? I don't but I have a
        feeling
        > that we will.
        >
        > Brian
        >
        > >
        > > Dr. Tom,
        > >
        > > That is a great idea! Can CWPT be made aware of this need?
        > >
        > > Also, could you please contact me privately? Thanks!
        > >
        > > Very respectfully,
        > > G E "Gerry" Mayers
        > > Confederate Signal Corps,
        > > Longstreet's Corps
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: "Thomas Clemens" <clemenst@...>
        > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
        > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:43 PM
        > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] What can be done?
        > >
        > >
        > > > be vigilant, follow up rumors. Write federal elected officials and
        let
        > > > them know you care about it. As far as I know there is no bill yet,
        but
        > > > there is a commission from NH working very strenuously to do this.
        > > > Tom Clemens
        > > >
        > > > Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
        > > > Professor of History
        > > > Hagerstown Community College
        > > >
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        > > >>>> richard@... 03/03/05 5:15 PM >>>
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      • Harry Smeltzer
        I think you mean Humphreys. Harry ... From: richard@rcroker.com [mailto:richard@rcroker.com] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:31 AM To:
        Message 3 of 6 , Mar 4, 2005
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          I think you mean Humphreys.



          Harry



          -----Original Message-----
          From: richard@... [mailto:richard@...]
          Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:31 AM
          To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] What can be done?



          My second book is about Fredericksburg -- talk about still fighting over who
          got closest to the wall!!!!! To this day you risk losing a friend if you
          suggest that Meagher got closer than Howard. And speaking of Howard AND
          monuments...he and Richard (The Angel of the Battlefield) Kirkland are the
          only statues on Marye's Heights. That's a bit of a travesty in my view.

          BTW (WARNING -- shameless plug to follow) -- To Make Men Free is now out in
          paperback. The Fredericksburg book is scheduled for March, Oh Six.





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        • richard@rcroker.com
          I just logged on to correct myself! You beat me to it (as I knew you would). Either way... ... From: Harry Smeltzer To:
          Message 4 of 6 , Mar 4, 2005
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            I just logged on to correct myself! You beat me to it (as I knew you
            would). Either way...
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            From: "Harry Smeltzer" <hjs21@...>
            To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:42 AM
            Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] What can be done?


            >
            > I think you mean Humphreys.
            >
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            > Harry
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            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: richard@... [mailto:richard@...]
            > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:31 AM
            > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] What can be done?
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            > My second book is about Fredericksburg -- talk about still fighting over
            who
            > got closest to the wall!!!!! To this day you risk losing a friend if you
            > suggest that Meagher got closer than Howard. And speaking of Howard AND
            > monuments...he and Richard (The Angel of the Battlefield) Kirkland are the
            > only statues on Marye's Heights. That's a bit of a travesty in my view.
            >
            > BTW (WARNING -- shameless plug to follow) -- To Make Men Free is now out
            in
            > paperback. The Fredericksburg book is scheduled for March, Oh Six.
            >
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