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  • rotbaron@aol.com
    I often see references to books entitled OHIO AT ANTIETAM, PENNSYLVANIA AT ANTIETAM, and NEW YORK AT ANTIETAM. Can anyone comment on their content? Where is
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      I often see references to books entitled OHIO AT ANTIETAM, PENNSYLVANIA AT ANTIETAM, and NEW YORK AT ANTIETAM.

      Can anyone comment on their content?
      Where is cheapest place to acquire them?
      Are they available at NPS Library at Antietam for our use?
      Any other states that I missed?

      Tom Shay
    • Tim Reese
      The ...at Antietam volumes are largely compilations of first-hand veteran postwar reminiscences--mostly triggered by monument erection--parallel to the
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        The "...at Antietam" volumes are largely compilations of first-hand veteran postwar reminiscences--mostly triggered by monument erection--parallel to the "...at Gettysburg" tomes, very useful for unit studies though one must tread lightly so long after the war. Memory gets foggy/fogey. Logic suggests that "Ohio at Antietam" may be what you're looking for regarding the Burnside's Bridge scenario. To my knowledge all are long out of print. Very scarce. Don't know of any reprints. To my mind these should be.

        Antietam NB library should have one or more of these on the shelves. I think I saw OaA last time I popped in. Give Ted a call and he can quickly confirm. Dornbusche's bibliography should be checked for stats on each and for any other similar items. You've got your work cut out.

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        I often see references to books entitled OHIO AT ANTIETAM, PENNSYLVANIA AT ANTIETAM, and NEW YORK AT ANTIETAM.

        Can anyone comment on their content?
        Where is cheapest place to acquire them?
        Are they available at NPS Library at Antietam for our use?
        Any other states that I missed?

        Tom Shay






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      • tlivesey@westwoodgalleries.com
        Tom, These are commemorative volumes that document the process and ceremonies concerning the placement of the various state monuments on the battlefield.
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          Tom,

          These are 'commemorative' volumes that document the process and ceremonies
          concerning the placement of the various state monuments on the battlefield.

          Typically they include descriptions of the monuments, how much they cost,
          where they were made, maps of their placement, photographs, full text of
          all the speeches made on they day of unveiling, reminisces and all that sort
          of stuff.

          Makes for very interesting reading, although one should not take the
          details too seriously, being personal accounts being made some 35 or more
          years after the event. I would say well worth reading.

          I am aware of volumes from Ohio, 2 from Pennsylvania (I think 1 is
          Pennsylvania at Antietam, and the other the Pennsylvania Reserves at Antietam),
          New York and Indiana.

          I got mine on ebay, although you can find them at on line book sellers
          such as www.abebooks.com.

          I don't know what the Antietam library has.

          TRL

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          > Are they available at NPS Library at Antietam for our use?
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        • tlivesey@westwoodgalleries.com
          Ok, I just looked at abe books, and there are many copies of the 2 Penn volumes, and 1 of the Ohio. The Ohio is $95, which is probably a pretty good price (if
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            Ok, I just looked at abe books, and there are many copies of the 2 Penn volumes,
            and 1 of the Ohio. The Ohio is $95, which is probably a pretty good price (if
            you want to own your own copy).

            (do title search for "at Antietam" and then sort in highest price 1st)

            TRL

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            > ANTIETAM, and NEW YORK AT ANTIETAM.
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            > Can anyone comment on their content?
            > Where is cheapest place to acquire them?
            > Are they available at NPS Library at Antietam for our use?
            > Any other states that I missed?
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            > Tom Shay
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          • Brian Morris
            I don t have the Antietam volumes but I do have many of the Gettysburg versions such as Maine, Ohio, Michigan, New Jersey and Delaware. The New York at
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              I don't have the Antietam volumes but I do have many of the Gettysburg
              versions such as Maine, Ohio, Michigan, New Jersey and Delaware. The New
              York at Gettysburg book is a rather hefty three volume set. Pennsylvania is
              two volumes. If you are a serious collector of books for that specific
              battle (Gettysburg & Antietam respectively) they are worth picking up to
              have in your collection but don't expect a serious battlefield study from
              them.

              I guess the best description might be that they were souvenir books that
              were issued after the dedications. At Gettysburg all the monuments for a
              certain state would be dedicated on the same day. So you would have Michigan
              Day at Gettysburg and so on. It was a bigger deal at Gettysburg due to the
              larger number of monuments but Antietam followed the same form for the most
              part.

              In general all a certain state's monuments were dedicated on the same day as
              they were paid for by the sate governments and involved large committees.
              Note the "erected by the state of Michigan" plaques and "erected by the
              state of Ohio" on their respective monuments in Gettysburg. They wanted
              people to remember who foot the bill on these things. Granite doesn't come
              cheap.

              The proceedings began at the National Cemetery where a ceremony was held to
              honor those fallen. After a series of speeches the regiments broke up into
              their own groups and proceeded out to their monuments where specific
              dedication ceremonies were done. J L Chamberlain was a member of the state
              Battlefield Commission so he spoke at both the general ceremony in the
              cemetery and then at the dedication ceremony on LRT for the 20th Maine
              monument.

              In a few cases monuments would not be completed in time for their dedication
              day. Ohio I know had two regimental monuments not even there for their day
              and a few others not completed. Ohio also had an accident during it's
              dedication ceremony when a rifle prematurely discharged in the color guard
              killing one of the men.

              Some monuments had so few represenatives that there would be no specific
              ceremony for that monument. Case in point the Michigan Sharpshooters
              monument on LRT. There were only four companies of Michigan sharpshooters at
              Gettysburg and less than a dozen at Michigan day so there was no formal
              ceremony except for the survivors who came together at their monument. In
              one volume in the section for an artillery battery monument there were only
              four survivors at the dedication from the battery and no officers. One of
              the men wrote a small bit for inclusion of the book where he spoke about how
              the four of them got together at their monument and simply spoke of some of
              their comrade lost.

              These books would include the dedication speeches from the general ceremony
              as well as the individual monument dedications of the day. Some also had
              short histories of their regiments, the battle as well as information on the
              cost of the monuments. A number of publishers have reprinted some nice
              versions of these books including Butternut & Blue and Longstreet House.

              Brian

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              > Tom,
              >
              > These are 'commemorative' volumes that document the process and ceremonies
              > concerning the placement of the various state monuments on the
              battlefield.
              >
              > Typically they include descriptions of the monuments, how much they cost,
              > where they were made, maps of their placement, photographs, full text of
              > all the speeches made on they day of unveiling, reminisces and all that
              sort
              > of stuff.
              >
              > Makes for very interesting reading, although one should not take the
              > details too seriously, being personal accounts being made some 35 or more
              > years after the event. I would say well worth reading.
              >
              > I am aware of volumes from Ohio, 2 from Pennsylvania (I think 1 is
              > Pennsylvania at Antietam, and the other the Pennsylvania Reserves at
              Antietam),
              > New York and Indiana.
              >
              > I got mine on ebay, although you can find them at on line book sellers
              > such as www.abebooks.com.
              >
              > I don't know what the Antietam library has.
              >
              > TRL
              >
              > Quoting rotbaron@...:
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              > > I often see references to books entitled OHIO AT ANTIETAM, PENNSYLVANIA
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              > > ANTIETAM, and NEW YORK AT ANTIETAM.
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              > > Can anyone comment on their content?
              > > Where is cheapest place to acquire them?
              > > Are they available at NPS Library at Antietam for our use?
              > > Any other states that I missed?
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            • Eric Schmincke
              Folks, Please find that Pennsylvania at Gettysburg contains four volumns. As stated here, volumns one & two contain material surrounding the dedications of the
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                Folks,
                Please find that Pennsylvania at Gettysburg contains four volumns.
                As stated here, volumns one & two contain material surrounding the
                dedications of the monuments, etc., while three and four deal with the
                two reunions. Volumn three(1913 reunion) contains many fold out images
                of veterans and survivior associations.
                Pennsylvania had other publications on the same line as Pennsylvania
                at Cold Harbor & Pennsylvania at Andersonvile. There were others as well,
                like Pennsylvania at Antietam.
                New York at Gettysburg is a wonderful three volumn set complete with maps.
                There is a single large volumn of New York At Antietam that covers the
                dedication of the New York Monument that is near the present Visitors Center.
                Some states had their states republished, like Michigan, Ohio & New Jersey,
                although Pennsylvania and New York have not. There are pleanty of the
                Originals out there, but price may be high depending on condition and if the
                maps are intact. Some copies are harder to find than others like volumn three
                and four at Gettysburg.

                My best to you all,

                Eric J. Schmincke

                Thanks,

                Eric Schmincke

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                I don't have the Antietam volumes but I do have many of the Gettysburg<BR>
                versions such as Maine, Ohio, Michigan, New Jersey and Delaware. The New<BR>
                York at Gettysburg book is a rather hefty three volume set. Pennsylvania is<BR>
                two volumes. If you are a serious collector of books for that specific<BR>
                battle (Gettysburg & Antietam respectively) they are worth picking up to<BR>
                have in your collection but don't expect a serious battlefield study from<BR>
                them.<BR>
                <BR>
                I guess the best description might be that they were souvenir books that<BR>
                were issued after the dedications. At Gettysburg all the monuments for a<BR>
                certain state would be dedicated on the same day. So you would have Michigan<BR>
                Day at Gettysburg and so on. It was a bigger deal at Gettysburg due to the<BR>
                larger number of monuments but Antietam followed the same form for the most<BR>
                part.<BR>
                <BR>
                In general all a certain state's monuments were dedicated on the same day as<BR>
                they were paid for by the sate governments and involved large committees.<BR>
                Note the "erected by the state of Michigan" plaques and "erected by the<BR>
                state of Ohio" on their respective monuments in Gettysburg. They wanted<BR>
                people to remember who foot the bill on these things. Granite doesn't come<BR>
                cheap.<BR>
                <BR>
                The proceedings began at the National Cemetery where a ceremony was held to<BR>
                honor those fallen. After a series of speeches the regiments broke up into<BR>
                their own groups and proceeded out to their monuments where specific<BR>
                dedication ceremonies were done. J L Chamberlain was a member of the state<BR>
                Battlefield Commission so he spoke at both the general ceremony in the<BR>
                cemetery and then at the dedication ceremony on LRT for the 20th Maine<BR>
                monument.<BR>
                <BR>
                In a few cases monuments would not be completed in time for their dedication<BR>
                day. Ohio I know had two regimental monuments not even there for their day<BR>
                and a few others not completed. Ohio also had an accident during it's<BR>
                dedication ceremony when a rifle prematurely discharged in the color guard<BR>
                killing one of the men.<BR>
                <BR>
                Some monuments had so few represenatives that there would be no specific<BR>
                ceremony for that monument. Case in point the Michigan Sharpshooters<BR>
                monument on LRT. There were only four companies of Michigan sharpshooters at<BR>
                Gettysburg and less than a dozen at Michigan day so there was no formal<BR>
                ceremony except for the survivors who came together at their monument. In<BR>
                one volume in the section for an artillery battery monument there were only<BR>
                four survivors at the dedication from the battery and no officers. One of<BR>
                the men wrote a small bit for inclusion of the book where he spoke about how<BR>
                the four of them got together at their monument and simply spoke of some of<BR>
                their comrade lost.<BR>
                <BR>
                These books would include the dedication speeches from the general ceremony<BR>
                as well as the individual monument dedications of the day. Some also had<BR>
                short histories of their regiments, the battle as well as information on the<BR>
                cost of the monuments. A number of publishers have reprinted some nice<BR>
                versions of these books including Butternut & Blue and Longstreet House.<BR>
                <BR>
                Brian<BR>
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                > Tom,<BR>
                ><BR>
                > These are 'commemorative' volumes that document the process and ceremonies<BR>
                > concerning the placement of the various state monuments on the<BR>
                battlefield.<BR>
                ><BR>
                > Typically they include descriptions of the monuments, how much they cost,<BR>
                > where they were made, maps of their placement, photographs, full text of<BR>
                > all the speeches made on they day of unveiling, reminisces and all that<BR>
                sort<BR>
                > of stuff.<BR>
                ><BR>
                > Makes for very interesting reading, although one should not take the<BR>
                > details too seriously, being personal accounts being made some 35 or more<BR>
                > years after the event. I would say well worth reading.<BR>
                ><BR>
                > I am aware of volumes from Ohio, 2 from Pennsylvania (I think 1 is<BR>
                > Pennsylvania at Antietam, and the other the Pennsylvania Reserves at<BR>
                Antietam),<BR>
                > New York and Indiana.<BR>
                ><BR>
                > I got mine on ebay, although you can find them at on line book sellers<BR>
                > such as www.abebooks.com.<BR>
                ><BR>
                > I don't know what the Antietam library has.<BR>
                ><BR>
                > TRL<BR>
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                > > I often see references to books entitled OHIO AT ANTIETAM, PENNSYLVANIA<BR>
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                > > ANTIETAM, and NEW YORK AT ANTIETAM.<BR>
                > ><BR>
                > > Can anyone comment on their content?<BR>
                > > Where is cheapest place to acquire them?<BR>
                > > Are they available at NPS Library at Antietam for our use?<BR>
                > > Any other states that I missed?<BR>
                > ><BR>
                > > Tom Shay<BR>
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              • robert blama
                You can get them at old book stores if you want them or on ebay. They are monument dedications for that state at Antietam. If you are familiar with NY or PA
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                  You can get them at old book stores if you want them or on ebay. They are monument dedications for that state at Antietam. If you are familiar with NY or PA at Gettysburg, they are the same content.
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                  I often see references to books entitled OHIO AT ANTIETAM, PENNSYLVANIA AT ANTIETAM, and NEW YORK AT ANTIETAM.

                  Can anyone comment on their content?
                  Where is cheapest place to acquire them?
                  Are they available at NPS Library at Antietam for our use?
                  Any other states that I missed?

                  Tom Shay






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                • 128thpa@comcast.net
                  Tom: I have a copy of Pa at Antietam. I have had it for a few years. I just did a search for it on one of the antique book sellers and that is how I
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                    Tom:

                    I have a copy of Pa at Antietam. I have had it for a few years. I just did a search for it on one of the "antique" book sellers and that is how I purchased it. I have also seen them at museums/historical societies, but it is hit or miss.

                    Paula

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                    You can get them at old book stores if you want them or on ebay. They are monument dedications for that state at Antietam. If you are familiar with NY or PA at Gettysburg, they are the same content.
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                    I often see references to books entitled OHIO AT ANTIETAM, PENNSYLVANIA AT ANTIETAM, and NEW YORK AT ANTIETAM.

                    Can anyone comment on their content?
                    Where is cheapest place to acquire them?
                    Are they available at NPS Library at Antietam for our use?
                    Any other states that I missed?

                    Tom Shay






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