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  • robert blama
    Glad you checked it out. I thought it was moved more. Studying the 115th Pa in Wheatfield at Gettys and 17th Maine questioning the position of the monument
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      Glad you checked it out. I thought it was moved more. Studying the 115th Pa in Wheatfield at Gettys and 17th Maine questioning the position of the monument near the wall. They (17th) state the 115th was not near the wall. interesting
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      From: Brian Morris
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      Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:00 PM
      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: News: New Hampshire Monument Proposed for Antietam NB


      Just back from my trip (drove 1300 miles in two days) so please forgive me
      for answering this late. The 16th Michigan monument has been moved but not
      to the wrong place. If you look at it today from the paths up above it sat
      12 yards to the left from where it sits today. The monument there was on a
      low spot that was difficult to see. Two years after it's dedication in 1891,
      at the request of the surviving 16th Michigan veterans, it was moved to it's
      current location. The monument sits on the line defended by the 16th
      Michigan and at the spot the veterans wished it to be so I can not see how
      it is in the wrong place.

      Brian


      > I guess I am saying its in the wrong place. Although I may be wrong, I
      though guides have even said it has been moved. I have no problem with
      where its out. I like monuments
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Brian Morris
      > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:27 PM
      > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: News: New Hampshire Monument Proposed
      for Antietam NB
      >
      >
      > Are you saying it's in the wrong place? The 16th Michigan monument sits
      only
      > 12 yards from it's original location and was moved only a few years
      after
      > it's original dedication in 1889. I see nothing offensive in the
      veterans of
      > the 16th Michigan asking for it to be moved to a more visible location,
      > especially when it still sits on the line defended by the 16th Michigan.
      >
      > For those interested the original monument base can be seen on the slope
      > south east of the current location.
      >
      > Brian
      >
      > I am not in favor of placing monuments in the wrong place for popularity
      but
      > remember the 16th Mich on little round top was moved so tourist could
      see it
      > more easily if I recall correctly
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Brian Morris
      > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:54 AM
      > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: News: New Hampshire Monument
      Proposed
      > for Antietam NB
      > >
      > >
      > > I agree but you don't have to have monuments to tell the story and
      > sometimes
      > > monuments are also not always accurately placed or tell an accurate
      > story.
      > > For example, the North Carolina monument at the Angle is well south
      of
      > where
      > > the Tar Heels actually hit the wall. However it is closer to where
      the
      > > tourists stop is at the Angle, thus why it was placed there. Notice
      as
      > well
      > > it's also farther up the hill than the Armistead marker. This was on
      > > purpose, continuing the argument of who got farther, The North
      > Carolinians
      > > or Virginians. It also describes an event during the charge that
      likely
      > did
      > > not happen. However we're now stuck with that monument there in the
      > wrong
      > > place telling the wrong story. The original monument commission
      would
      > never
      > > have allowed that monument to be placed there as it violated a
      number of
      > > it's rules.
      > >
      > > Brian
      > >
      > > > How about monuments to Confeds. Althought the battlefield should
      look
      > > like they did on the day of the battle you have to tell the story so
      > people
      > > can understand. The more they understand the more they are willing
      to
      > > donate funds to preserve other battlefields.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: richard@...
      > > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 10:30 PM
      > > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: News: New Hampshire Monument
      > Proposed
      > > for Antietam NB
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Just an opinion -- I understand why some people feel the need to
      > "honor
      > > the
      > > > fallen." But I have a notion that we should make our
      battlefields
      > look
      > > > precisely as they did on the day before the fight. I want to
      see
      > the
      > > land
      > > > as they saw it. I want to "get the feeling." It's awfully hard
      to
      > do
      > > that
      > > > with some miniature replica of the Washington Monument sticking
      up
      > out
      > > of
      > > > the ground.
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: "Brian Downey" <bdowney@...>
      > > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:32 PM
      > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: News: New Hampshire Monument
      Proposed
      > for
      > > > Antietam NB
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Well, I don't want to suggest any motives on behalf of the
      people
      > who
      > > > > want the new monument. That's not my real worry anyway.
      > > > >
      > > > > It's the spirit of the battlefield. I'm pro-moratorium: I'd
      hate
      > for
      > > > > our beloved field to become gettysburg-ed.
      > > > >
      > > > > No argument with New Hampshire boys deserving a monument as
      much
      > as
      > > > > any other states', either.
      > > > >
      > > > > Actually I'm posting again because I found an article in the
      > current
      > > > > Civil War News, posted online
      > (http://www.civilwarnews.com/news.cfm -
      > > > > scroll down). Folks close to SHAF and the Park Sevice know a
      lot
      > more
      > > > > then I do - I'm sure there's more to this than meets the eye.
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    • robert blama
      Glad you checked it out. I thought it was moved more. Studying the 115th Pa in Wheatfield at Gettys and 17th Maine questioning the position of the monument
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        Glad you checked it out. I thought it was moved more. Studying the 115th Pa in Wheatfield at Gettys and 17th Maine questioning the position of the monument near the wall. They (17th) state the 115th was not near the wall. interesting
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Brian Morris
        To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:00 PM
        Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: News: New Hampshire Monument Proposed for Antietam NB


        Just back from my trip (drove 1300 miles in two days) so please forgive me
        for answering this late. The 16th Michigan monument has been moved but not
        to the wrong place. If you look at it today from the paths up above it sat
        12 yards to the left from where it sits today. The monument there was on a
        low spot that was difficult to see. Two years after it's dedication in 1891,
        at the request of the surviving 16th Michigan veterans, it was moved to it's
        current location. The monument sits on the line defended by the 16th
        Michigan and at the spot the veterans wished it to be so I can not see how
        it is in the wrong place.

        Brian


        > I guess I am saying its in the wrong place. Although I may be wrong, I
        though guides have even said it has been moved. I have no problem with
        where its out. I like monuments
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Brian Morris
        > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:27 PM
        > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: News: New Hampshire Monument Proposed
        for Antietam NB
        >
        >
        > Are you saying it's in the wrong place? The 16th Michigan monument sits
        only
        > 12 yards from it's original location and was moved only a few years
        after
        > it's original dedication in 1889. I see nothing offensive in the
        veterans of
        > the 16th Michigan asking for it to be moved to a more visible location,
        > especially when it still sits on the line defended by the 16th Michigan.
        >
        > For those interested the original monument base can be seen on the slope
        > south east of the current location.
        >
        > Brian
        >
        > I am not in favor of placing monuments in the wrong place for popularity
        but
        > remember the 16th Mich on little round top was moved so tourist could
        see it
        > more easily if I recall correctly
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: Brian Morris
        > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:54 AM
        > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: News: New Hampshire Monument
        Proposed
        > for Antietam NB
        > >
        > >
        > > I agree but you don't have to have monuments to tell the story and
        > sometimes
        > > monuments are also not always accurately placed or tell an accurate
        > story.
        > > For example, the North Carolina monument at the Angle is well south
        of
        > where
        > > the Tar Heels actually hit the wall. However it is closer to where
        the
        > > tourists stop is at the Angle, thus why it was placed there. Notice
        as
        > well
        > > it's also farther up the hill than the Armistead marker. This was on
        > > purpose, continuing the argument of who got farther, The North
        > Carolinians
        > > or Virginians. It also describes an event during the charge that
        likely
        > did
        > > not happen. However we're now stuck with that monument there in the
        > wrong
        > > place telling the wrong story. The original monument commission
        would
        > never
        > > have allowed that monument to be placed there as it violated a
        number of
        > > it's rules.
        > >
        > > Brian
        > >
        > > > How about monuments to Confeds. Althought the battlefield should
        look
        > > like they did on the day of the battle you have to tell the story so
        > people
        > > can understand. The more they understand the more they are willing
        to
        > > donate funds to preserve other battlefields.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: richard@...
        > > > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 10:30 PM
        > > > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: News: New Hampshire Monument
        > Proposed
        > > for Antietam NB
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Just an opinion -- I understand why some people feel the need to
        > "honor
        > > the
        > > > fallen." But I have a notion that we should make our
        battlefields
        > look
        > > > precisely as they did on the day before the fight. I want to
        see
        > the
        > > land
        > > > as they saw it. I want to "get the feeling." It's awfully hard
        to
        > do
        > > that
        > > > with some miniature replica of the Washington Monument sticking
        up
        > out
        > > of
        > > > the ground.
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: "Brian Downey" <bdowney@...>
        > > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:32 PM
        > > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: News: New Hampshire Monument
        Proposed
        > for
        > > > Antietam NB
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > Well, I don't want to suggest any motives on behalf of the
        people
        > who
        > > > > want the new monument. That's not my real worry anyway.
        > > > >
        > > > > It's the spirit of the battlefield. I'm pro-moratorium: I'd
        hate
        > for
        > > > > our beloved field to become gettysburg-ed.
        > > > >
        > > > > No argument with New Hampshire boys deserving a monument as
        much
        > as
        > > > > any other states', either.
        > > > >
        > > > > Actually I'm posting again because I found an article in the
        > current
        > > > > Civil War News, posted online
        > (http://www.civilwarnews.com/news.cfm -
        > > > > scroll down). Folks close to SHAF and the Park Sevice know a
        lot
        > more
        > > > > then I do - I'm sure there's more to this than meets the eye.
        > > > >
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