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  • Jeff Beckner (PWC Magazine)
    Except that Mac s reputation had already been establish long before Sears birth, of course. Which doesn t excuse, of course, any sloppiness on Sears part,
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      Except that Mac's reputation had already been establish long before
      Sears' birth, of course.

      Which doesn't excuse, of course, any sloppiness on Sears' part, but it's
      not like he created some myth about Little Mac.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Tim Reese [mailto:tjreesecg@...]
      Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:11 PM
      To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam]

      You're more than welcome, Mary. GBM was indeed on the move that day, at
      least until he reached Frederick. The overwhelming outpouring of relief
      and welcome from the citizenry no doubt compelled him to opt for an HQ
      outside of town to avoid being inundated. I'm trying to determine where
      exactly.

      Throughout his literary career Sears has played fast and loose with
      source citation, hence consistent errors. The Gettysburg book was no
      better nor worse than those preceding. Dimitri Rotov (The Civil War
      Bookshelf website) accurately characterizes him as a "mass-market
      storyteller." I must concur. In a November email exchange he pleaded
      that he is not an academic historian. In reply I retorted that neither
      am I, but we can endeavor to get our facts straight. It's called
      intellectual honesty.

      A common excuse for GBM's protracted length of time in studying/reacting
      to the Lost Order is the purported distance between where it was found
      and where his HQ were. See http://home.earthlink.net/~tjreesecg/id3.html
      for the former. As circumstances become more clear GBM's locale would
      shed further light on the sequence of events in consideration of time
      frame.

      Truth is that thanks to Sears, and others of his ilk, the Md. campaign
      has been grossly misunderstood in many key respects. Storytellers
      naturally need a protagonist and antagonist around which to build their
      stories. GBM obviously and routinely serves as the latter, a whipping
      boy to blame for campaign happenstance. Complex questions deserve more
      than simplistic answers. In time the whole picture will look far
      different than what we've been led to believe.

      Now, if I could only pinpoint his HQ of the 13th...

      Tim
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Mary Hawthorne
      To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: 7/11/2004 6:47:11 PM
      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam]


      Thanks Tim. After I wrote that reply I thought to myself that you may
      have
      wanted a specific location like a house or what ever. This may sound
      kind of
      funny knowing GBM, but could the lack of a specific locale be because he
      was
      on the move? As for Sears, I hear his one on Gettysburg is loaded with
      mistakes. I am relatively new in studying positions of troops and really
      need to get the perspective of other historians as well. As to the study
      of
      where the order was found, yes that is intriguing!
      Mary
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Tim Reese" <tjreesecg@...>
      To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 6:28 PM
      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam]


      > Hi Mary,
      >
      > Thanks for the input. The Lincoln telegram you refer to was not sent
      almost immediately after McClellan received the Lost Order. It was in
      fact
      sent twelve hours later at midnight. See
      http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/P?mal:7:./temp/~ammem_D8Mf:: for
      digital
      photo of original document. Also see AotW article at
      http://aotw.org/exhibit.php?exhibit_id=358 for corrected 9/13 scenario.
      All
      too often Sears is inexcusably sloppy with his sources, this being a
      salient
      example.
      >
      > We know GBM established HQ outside Frederick on the 13th, but where?
      It is
      my hope that someone out there knows of an obscure reference citing a
      specific locale: house, farm or whatever. This established, one can then
      measure the distance between that and the order's point of discovery at
      the
      southeast edge of town. Intriguing, don't you think?
      >
      > Tim
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Mary Hawthorne
      > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: 7/11/2004 5:53:19 PM
      > Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam]
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      >
      > According to Stephen Sears in "Landscape Turned Red" oh page 113,
      MacCellan
      > replied to Lincoln about a previous communication from Frederick, MD.
      His
      > reply to Lincoln was almost immediately after receiving the "lost
      order"
      > Mary
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Tim Reese" <tjreesecg@...>
      > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 5:24 PM
      > Subject: [TalkAntietam]
      >
      >
      > > Here's a brain teaser for all you devotees. Where were McClellan's
      > headquarters located on Saturday, September 13, 1862, the day he
      acquired
      > the "Lost Order"? The general had moved toward Frederick, MD via the
      > National Turnpike and was conversing with several businessmen of that
      city
      > when the order was brought to him. I don't claim to know the locale.
      Maybe
      > someone out there does.
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