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5323Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Hospital site identification in CS Army

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  • G E Mayers
    Feb 3, 2009
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      Dear Dave,

      Good info on that post! However, re the yellow flagged hospitals
      vs the red flag ones...IIRC both armies had to resort to using
      contracted surgeons, largely civilians, to help handle the
      massive influx of wounded and dying that would require medical
      attention after each major battle.

      Yr. Obt. Svt.
      G E "Gerry" Mayers

      To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
      on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
      Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
      the Almighty God. --Anonymous
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "flagflop" <dwgaddy@...>
      To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:40 PM
      Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Hospital site identification in CS
      Army


      Gerry and T'other Dave,

      Check out two postings by Tom Martin (Piedmont Flag Company) on
      the
      Civil War Flags Message Board, his 8665 of 3 Dec and his
      follow-up,
      msg 8670 of 5 Dec 2008, the latter at
      http://history-sites.com/cgi-
      bin/bbs53x/cwflags/webbbs_config.pl?read=8670--- Per his
      extensive
      research, he points out all of the complications -- that red
      (probably from European precedent) had been specified in regs,
      and
      that yellow was the quarantine flag. He goes on to note
      variations in
      usage by area, time period, commanding general, military vs.
      civilian
      doctors, hospital organization vs. ambulance corps, and other
      facets.

      Dave Gaddy
      -----------------------------
      In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:
      >
      > Gerry and Dave, the citations I found for the yellow flag were
      > for
      a
      > field hospital, and were very early in the war. I did find a
      citation
      > for a red flag on a ANV hospital ambulance. The quote I cited
      > previously, that any soldier would recognize the yellow flag as
      > a
      > hospital, leads me to think that yellow was the normal flag
      > color
      at
      > that time. But, it's only a guess. Since one of the quotes
      > was
      from
      > Sumter, was the yellow flag standard for a field hospital in
      > the
      pre-war
      > army, and later changed by both sides? Would a field hospital
      > and
      a
      > main hospital have different color flags?
      >
      > Maybe you could contact the folks at the Pry house. The
      > gentleman
      in
      > there is very helpful and may have connections with the main
      > ACW
      medical
      > museum. I spent an enjoyable hour picking his brain in
      > October,
      but
      > never caught his name.
      >
      > Dave McGowan
      >
      > G E Mayers wrote:
      > >
      > > Dear Dave,
      > >
      > > Thanks for all the info. I do have a facsimile copy of the
      > > 1863
      > > revision of the "Regulations for the Army of the Confederate
      > > States" and was fairly sure the specific color was indeed
      > > red. I
      > > also have an electronic copy of the respective US Army
      > > Regulations.
      > >
      > > However, there is documentation the Union Army used a yellow
      > > rectangular flag with a large green H in the center. And, as
      > > you
      > > cite Phil Katcher (who is truly quite knowledgeable about the
      > > ANVa), that sounds pretty convincing to me.
      > >
      > > Would wonder if there were any General Orders from the War
      > > Department in Richmond, either via the Adjutant and Inspector
      > > General 's Office or the Medical Bureau modifying the stated
      > > regulations?
      > >
      > > I also have a copy of J. Boone Bartholmees's excellent work
      > > "Buff
      > > Facings and Gilt Buttons: Staff and Headquarters Operations
      > > in
      > > the Army of Northern Virginia: 1861-1865", which does state
      > > the A
      > > & IGO _did_ modify the regulations as published in the
      > > official
      > > regulations books by means of General Orders.
      > >
      > > Yr. Obt. Svt.
      > > G E "Gerry" Mayers
      > >
      > > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
      > > even
      > > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
      > > the
      > > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
      > > from
      > > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: "flagflop" <dwgaddy@... <mailto:dwgaddy%40verizon.net>>
      > > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com <mailto:TalkAntietam%
      40yahoogroups.com>>
      > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:55 PM
      > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Hospital site identification
      > > in CS
      > > Army
      > >
      > > Gerry,
      > >
      > > 1862 and 1863 CS Army Regs, para 714, specify red. (Same in
      > > US
      > > Army
      > > Revised Regs 1861, para 736 as marker for "the ambulance
      > > depot.")
      > > However, I see in Philip Katcher's 1994 "The Army of Robert
      > > E.
      > > Lee,"
      > > p. 170, citing J.O. Casler of Stonewall Brigade, that in the
      > > ANV
      > > hospitals were marked with yellow, rather than red.
      > >
      > > Dave Gaddy
      > >
      > > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      > > <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "G E Mayers"
      > > <gerry1952@>
      > > wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Gang,
      > > >
      > > > Can anyone tell me quickly what the CS Army would have used
      > > > as
      > > > a
      > > > flag to identify a hospital? IIRC the Union Armies used a
      > > > yellow
      > > > flag with a green H in the center; however, I am not sure
      > > > what
      > > > the Confederacy would have used.
      > > >
      > > > If the information is in the relevant CS Regulations, just
      > > > point
      > > > me to where and I can go look therein.
      > > >
      > > > Thanks!
      > > >
      > > > Yr. Obt. Svt.
      > > > G E "Gerry" Mayers
      > > >
      > > > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or
      > > > even
      > > > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in
      > > > the
      > > > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
      > > > from
      > > > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      >
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