5320Re: re Hospital site identification in CS Army
- Feb 2, 2009Gerry and T'other Dave,
Check out two postings by Tom Martin (Piedmont Flag Company) on the
Civil War Flags Message Board, his 8665 of 3 Dec and his follow-up,
msg 8670 of 5 Dec 2008, the latter at http://history-sites.com/cgi-
bin/bbs53x/cwflags/webbbs_config.pl?read=8670--- Per his extensive
research, he points out all of the complications -- that red
(probably from European precedent) had been specified in regs, and
that yellow was the quarantine flag. He goes on to note variations in
usage by area, time period, commanding general, military vs. civilian
doctors, hospital organization vs. ambulance corps, and other facets.
In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dave <gewehr@...> wrote:
> Gerry and Dave, the citations I found for the yellow flag were for
> field hospital, and were very early in the war. I did find acitation
> for a red flag on a ANV hospital ambulance. The quote I citedat
> previously, that any soldier would recognize the yellow flag as a
> hospital, leads me to think that yellow was the normal flag color
> that time. But, it's only a guess. Since one of the quotes wasfrom
> Sumter, was the yellow flag standard for a field hospital in thepre-war
> army, and later changed by both sides? Would a field hospital anda
> main hospital have different color flags?in
> Maybe you could contact the folks at the Pry house. The gentleman
> there is very helpful and may have connections with the main ACWmedical
> museum. I spent an enjoyable hour picking his brain in October,but
> never caught his name.40yahoogroups.com>>
> Dave McGowan
> G E Mayers wrote:
> > Dear Dave,
> > Thanks for all the info. I do have a facsimile copy of the 1863
> > revision of the "Regulations for the Army of the Confederate
> > States" and was fairly sure the specific color was indeed red. I
> > also have an electronic copy of the respective US Army
> > Regulations.
> > However, there is documentation the Union Army used a yellow
> > rectangular flag with a large green H in the center. And, as you
> > cite Phil Katcher (who is truly quite knowledgeable about the
> > ANVa), that sounds pretty convincing to me.
> > Would wonder if there were any General Orders from the War
> > Department in Richmond, either via the Adjutant and Inspector
> > General 's Office or the Medical Bureau modifying the stated
> > regulations?
> > I also have a copy of J. Boone Bartholmees's excellent work "Buff
> > Facings and Gilt Buttons: Staff and Headquarters Operations in
> > the Army of Northern Virginia: 1861-1865", which does state the A
> > & IGO _did_ modify the regulations as published in the official
> > regulations books by means of General Orders.
> > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
> > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "flagflop" <dwgaddy@... <mailto:dwgaddy%40verizon.net>>
> > To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com <mailto:TalkAntietam%
> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:55 PM
> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: re Hospital site identification in CS
> > Army
> > Gerry,
> > 1862 and 1863 CS Army Regs, para 714, specify red. (Same in US
> > Army
> > Revised Regs 1861, para 736 as marker for "the ambulance depot.")
> > However, I see in Philip Katcher's 1994 "The Army of Robert E.
> > Lee,"
> > p. 170, citing J.O. Casler of Stonewall Brigade, that in the ANV
> > hospitals were marked with yellow, rather than red.
> > Dave Gaddy
> > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com>, "G E Mayers"
> > <gerry1952@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Gang,
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me quickly what the CS Army would have used as
> > > a
> > > flag to identify a hospital? IIRC the Union Armies used a
> > > yellow
> > > flag with a green H in the center; however, I am not sure what
> > > the Confederacy would have used.
> > >
> > > If the information is in the relevant CS Regulations, just
> > > point
> > > me to where and I can go look therein.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Yr. Obt. Svt.
> > > G E "Gerry" Mayers
> > >
> > > To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> > > on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> > > Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction
> > > from
> > > the Almighty God. --Anonymous
> > >
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