4697Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: "Unfurl those colors!"
- May 11, 2008Dave,
Interesting you mention the West Point Napoleon Club. Apparently
R E Lee had something to do with it and also was instrumental in
the "Napoleon Room" at West Point....
Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers
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Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: "Unfurl those colors!"
> In a message dated 5/9/2008 2:42:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> hjs21@... writes:
> I guess a lot depends on what one's definition of "win" is.
> If "win" means the complete destruction of the enemy in the
> field in one
> stroke - adopting the attitude of the Italian entry in the
> Gumball Rally:
> "Whatsa behind me (Washington), she's a no imbordant" - then
> the reserves should
> have been committed to the offensive, or Burnside not ordered
> forward and set
> up a defensive line (discounting the idea that committal of
> the reserves could
> be further delayed until Burnside's operations were more fully
> You've set up a false dichotomy, here. Reserves should only be
> when a war-ending stroke is at hand? It's not an either/or. Nor
> is he "risking"
> losing Washington. there are what, 50,000 troops there,
> including two veteran
> corps who have been refitting for two weeks? the rhetoric here
> doesn't match
> If "win" means anything short of the enemy's destruction but
> more than
> adopting a strictly defensive posture, maybe things should
> have gone just as they
> Yes, by no means risk anything. Fortunately, War is never about
> Sorry, when I wrote earlier about Mahan and reserves, I should
> have been
> clear that the situation perhaps did not justify committing
> them to the
> offensive per his idea of when that was appropriate.
> I'm interested to hear what you think happened up to that
> point (West Woods
> and the fall of the Bloody Lane) to indicate that complete
> overthrow of the
> enemy was a likely enough outcome to support committing the
> reserve to the
> Again, we only commit the reserve to guarantee the "complete
> overthrow" of
> the enemy? I don't buy it. More importantly neither do
> Napoleon, Clauswitz, or
> Jomini. I think that the routing of the Rebel center out of
> Bloody Lane is
> THE classic moment to commit reserves, by any military
> definition I have ever
> studied. His center is overthrown, and he only has a scratched
> together line
> of guns to cover the hole. Give him time, and he WILL recover.
> Deny him that
> time, and opportunities unlooked for may come your way.
> Reserves are used to convert incomplete victories into
> something more. I
> think that the emphasis on that word is critical. Mahan and
> Halleck pay it lip
> service, but they don't really mean it, and Mac follows that
> lead - which is
> why he never became a great general.
> The thing that always strikes me about these guys is that for
> all their
> great study of Napoleon and Jomini, they never grasped the
> essence of what they
> were studying. It's as if they decided to emulate the Wormsers,
> Alvinci's, and
> Mack's of the era rather than their hero.
> I don't recall for sure, but I think Mac was at the Pry House
> when the
> sunken road fell, and he could observe it well enough. That
> moment always makes me
> think of Napoleon at Borodino, withholding the guard after the
> fall of the
> Great Redoubt, and being castigated by history for his fatal
> hesitation. A
> wonder it never occurred to the head of the West Point Napoleon
> Dave Powell
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