4287Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Regimental numbers during the Maryland Campaign
- Feb 13, 2008Larry,
Don't forget that Carman's numbers are for Sept. 17 only. Much of the cav present by then was not present earlier in the campaign. It would be a gross mistake to call the cav divisions roughly equal in number before the 17th.
Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College
>>> "eighth_conn_inf" <eighth_conn_inf@...> 02/13/08 7:47 AM >>>Thanks Dean,
The total cav numbers in Carman, OR, etc., are good but unit numbers
are lacking. It is unlikely I can research unit numbers at NARA so I
might have to come up with some estimates like Harsh did in STS page
I have the CW Equipage book on the way so I can reference weapons.
Cannon types/numbers are around but as you point out are incomplete
in some areas but I will use Trout, "Galloping Thunder" and
Johnson, "Artillery Hell" as follows: Trout, 8. At the Battle of
Antietam on 17 September, only Pelham's Battery was engaged with two,
three inch ordnance rifles; one, twelve pound Napoleon, and five
unidentified guns. It abandoned its howitzers for Ordnance rifles
captured on 27 August 1862 at Manassas Junction. Hart's Battery had
four, twelve pound Blakeley guns and Chew's Battery had two or three,
three inch Ordnance rifles, one Blakely Rifle and one, twelve pound
smoothbore howitzer, Curt Johnson and Richard C. Anderson, Jr.,
Artillery Hell: The Employment of Artillery at Antietam, (College
Station, TX: Texas A&M University Press, 1995), 100-101. Union horse
artillery, Second U. S. Battery A, had six, twelve pound smooth bore
Napoleons, Second U. S. Batteries B and L had four, twelve pound
smooth bore Napoleons, and Battery M of the Second had six, three
inch Ordnance rifles. Batteries C and G of the Third U. S. Artillery
had six, three inch Ordnance rifles, Johnson, 35.
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Dean Essig <dean_essig@...>
> Cav numbers are pretty sketchy. Priest gives 4320 for
> the division. The park had nothing. So, my cav numbers
> are estimates at best... if you have anything harder,
> I'd love to see them.
> For weapons, (all data from Todd):
> 8 Ill, 3 Ind, 4 Penn, 1 NY, 12 Penn, 8 NY, 3 Penn, 1
> Maine all with Carbines of various types
> 1 Mass, 15 Penn are armed with pistols.
> (I listed all of the ones I had data on, it obviously
> includes some units that weren't in the battle.)
> The horse artillery is easier:
> A, 2 US--6x Napoleons
> B&L, 2 US--4x Napoleons
> M, 2 US--6x Rifles
> C&G, 3 US--6x Rifles
> These are all from the Paul Chiles B&G article.
> I have a scattering of weapon data for the various HQ
> guard units.
> The Rebel information is about the same level.
> 4500 total for the Cav division (Carmen)
> 1 NC, 1 VA, 3 VA, 4 VA, 5 VA, 2 VA, 12 VA with pistols
> 2 NC, 7 VA, Cobb Legion with rifles (2 NC also listed
> for pistols)
> Batteries (info from Anderson):
> Hart SC (4x rifles w/o ammo at Boteler's Ford)
> Pelham (8x guns, two 4-gun sections, various gun types
> nothing firm)
> Chew Va 3x Rifles, 1x Napoleon
> (There is a story to go with the Napoleon in Chew's
> Battery... something along the lines of they had it
> for a period of the war but found it to be too heavy
> to keep up with the cavalry and eventually (before
> Gettysburg?) got rid of it.)
> Hope that helps.
> --- eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...> wrote:
> > Dean,
> > Thanks very much for this info! The units I'm
> > looking for are all cav
> > units on both sides and horse artillery. My paper is
> > on cav during
> > the Maryland Campaign.
> > Larry
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