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  • G E Mayers
    Oct 29, 2007
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      Joe;

      The 1904 Carman was the Cope-Carman revision, IIRC.

      Yr. Obt. Svt.
      G E "Gerry" Mayers

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      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Joseph Pierro" <joseph_pierro@...>
      To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:39 PM
      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update


      > Yes, the LoC version is a bit odd. There are TWO separate
      > scans of the Atlas on the irwebsite, but they're BOTH of the
      > first (1904) edition of the Atlas. Why they digitized the same
      > edition twice--instead of digitizing one set of each
      > edition--is beyond me
      >
      > How substantive are the changes? That's hard to quantify--but
      > Carman and co. felt that enough alterations had been made to
      > justify reissuing the entire Atlas four years later. Make of
      > that what you will. I can say that in some instances the
      > position of a given regiment is substantively changed from one
      > edition to the next, while in many others it's simply a matter
      > of correcting a typo on one of the maps or adding in a label
      > that was left off of a particular plate.
      >
      > I don't have a copy of the Antietam bookstore CD, so I can't
      > say which issue it is. Presumably, the original copyright info
      > appears somewhere on the disc. If it's 1904, it's the first
      > edition; if 1908, it's the 2d.
      >
      > As for Desjardin's Gettysburg maps, the last time I was there
      > (about a year or two ago) they were still for sale. If you're
      > interested, I'd contact the Eastern National bookshop at the
      > Gettysburg VC.
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message ----
      > From: eighth_conn_inf <eighth_conn_inf@...>
      > To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:19:56 AM
      > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
      >
      > Are there substantive changes between the two versions of
      > Carman's
      > maps? I didn't realize the version on the LOC website is the
      > earlier
      > one. Is the CD available in the Antietam bookstore the earlier
      > version?
      >
      > The problem for me with the 20% smaller copies of the OR Atlas
      > is the
      > crease in the pages for the larger maps. Also, some printings
      > of the
      > atlas vary in quality re the colors, details,etc. I have two
      > versions
      > by different publishers and they are noticably different. So
      > you are
      > correct, to make full-size copies of the Carman originals using
      > high
      > res is needed. Regiment locations are critical for most serious
      > students of the battle so they must be very clear IMO.
      >
      > The problem with a non profit like SHAF doing the maps is can
      > the
      > cost of the printing be recovered? How many could be sold at
      > $250 a
      > set to recoup printing costs? Of course the calculation has to
      > include the minimum number a printer would require before it
      > would
      > print an order as well as any marketing expenses.
      >
      > Are the Gettysburg Desjardin maps still available?
      >
      > Larry
      >
      >
      > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
      > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
      >>
      >> That's the key to those maps (and why, after much struggle, my
      > publishers decided we couldn't use them in my book). The
      > information
      > contained on them is so dense that if you shrink them down to,
      > say,
      > any smaller than the modern version of the OR Atlas you find in
      > bookstores today (which is about 20% smaller than the ORIGINAL
      > Atlas
      > plates) you can't make out the individual regiments.
      >>
      >> Your idea for a non-profit to undertake the project is a good
      >> one.
      > About ten years ago, the Friends of the National Parks at
      > Gettysburg
      > did something similar, and funded a project whereby Tom
      > Desjardin did
      > three new topo and troop position maps of that battle (one for
      > each
      > day).
      >>
      >> Admittedly, the Carman Atlas is 14 maps, not three, but then
      >> you
      > woulnd't have any cartographic costs involved. All you need to
      > do is
      > repoduce an already extant set of maps.
      >>
      >> From what I understand, the real cost comes from producing the
      > image in a reproducable format. If the LoC ever creates
      > high-res
      > scans of the 2d edition, printing copies from the scans--even
      > on a
      > sturdy, laminate paper--would be very cheap.
      >>
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message ----
      >> From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@...>
      >> To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
      >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:27:58 AM
      >> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
      >>
      >> Jake,
      >>
      >> I posted a comment on the LOC website re the revised maps.
      >>
      >> Perhaps a good project for a group to undertake if not to make
      >> a
      >> profit but to contribute funds to a non profit organization? I
      > would
      >> buy a set assuming it was complete and legible as well as
      >> being
      >> printed on sturdy, plastic-coated paper.
      >>
      >> Larry
      >>
      >> --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
      >> <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
      >> >
      >> > You know, it's a REAL shame that Bob Younger at Morningside
      >> > Books
      >> isn't with us anymore. He managed to find a way to make the
      >> full
      > set
      >> of Bachelder maps from Gettysburg available (all 28 maps in
      >> full
      >> color) for $250. Now, he just printed them flat and loose
      >> (they
      >> shipped them boxed), but it's the closest thing I've seen in
      >> recent
      >> years to a project like the Carman atlas.
      >> >
      >> > Meanwhile, I urge everyone to email the webmaster of the
      >> > Library
      > of
      >> Congress's "American Memory" project and urge them to scan the
      >> second, REVISED volume of Carman's atlas into their giant
      >> digital
      >> database. It's not the PERFECT format, but it beats not having
      > access
      >> to them at all.
      >> >
      >> > Best,
      >> >
      >> > --j
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > ----- Original Message ----
      >> > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
      >> > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
      >> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:46:47 PM
      >> > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
      >> >
      >> > Jake,
      >> >
      >> > We have to keep you going so you can next tackle the
      >> > Carmen-Cope
      >> maps
      >> > to supplement your book! If there is anything I can do to
      >> > help,
      > pls
      >> > let me know.
      >> >
      >> > Larry
      >> >
      >> > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, Joseph Pierro
      >> > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
      >> > >
      >> > > Thanks, Larry! I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't some
      >> > > sort
      >> of
      >> > pharonic curse on this manuscript.
      >> > >
      >> > > On the other hand, since I have to die of something, it
      >> > > might
      > as
      >> > well be as the last casualty of Antietam. . . . :)
      >> > >
      >> > > --j
      >> > >
      >> > >
      >> > > ----- Original Message ----
      >> > > From: eighth_conn_ inf <eighth_conn_ inf@>
      >> > > To: TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com
      >> > > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:23:17 PM
      >> > > Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: Carman update
      >> > >
      >> > > Jake,
      >> > >
      >> > > Never ask what can happen next! It is good to hear that
      >> > > you
      > will
      >> be
      >> > > OK and are recovering well. Even though the book will be
      >> > > late,
      >> > > getting it out as quickly as that after what happened will
      >> > > be
      >> > > wonderful.
      >> > >
      >> > > I've had an order in with Amazon for several months when I
      > first
      >> > saw
      >> > > it there and look forward to receiving it when you get it
      >> > > done.
      >> > Good
      >> > > luck on our recovery.
      >> > >
      >> > > Larry
      >> > >
      >> > > --- In TalkAntietam@ yahoogroups. com, "joseph_pierro"
      >> > > <joseph_pierro@ ...> wrote:
      >> > > >
      >> > > > Hey, everyone! I've gotten a few queries (and congrats)
      >> > > > on
      > the
      >> > > > release of the Carman ms. It's a TAD premature.
      >> > > >
      >> > > > I'm not sure where the late Oct. date in Amazon was
      >> > > > coming
      > from
      >> > > > (probably some database wasn;t updated), but the book,
      >> > > > when
      >> last
      >> > I
      >> > > > knew, was going to be a mid-Nov. release.
      >> > > >
      >> > > > And there's been a small snag since. . . .
      >> > > >
      >> > > > At the beginning of the month, I had about 4-5 days of
      >> > > > work
      >> left
      >> > on
      >> > > > the index in order to have the ms. COMPLETE and ready to
      >> > > > go
      > to
      >> > the
      >> > > > printer. Just then, however, I developed a problem with
      >> > > > the
      >> > > appendix.
      >> > > >
      >> > > > Not the book's. My own. I had been misdiagnosed with
      >> > > > food
      >> > > poisoning
      >> > > > on the 3d, and by the 6th it burst. I've been in the
      >> > > > hospital
      >> > ever
      >> > > > since (I only just returned home an hour ago).
      >> > > >
      >> > > > It's too soon for me to make a firm guess on a new
      >> > > > release
      >> date.
      >> > As
      >> > > I
      >> > > > said, I had about 4-5 days of work left to do when I was
      >> > > > 100%
      >> > > > healthy, and I'm nowhere near that now. Then, once I AM
      >> > > > done,
      >> > it'll
      >> > > > take the publisher 3-4 weeks to typeset the index and
      >> > > > then
      >> > > physically
      >> > > > produce books.
      >> > > >
      >> > > > I'd guess it'll be ready by the 2d week of December. I'm
      > going
      >> to
      >> > > > make every possible effort to make sure the books ship
      >> > > > in
      > time
      >> > for
      >> > > > Xmas deliveries.
      >> > > >
      >> > > > All best,
      >> > > >
      >> > > > --jake
      >> > > >
      >> > >
      >> > >
      >> > >
      >> > >
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