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3650RE: [TalkAntietam] South Mountain markers-Nagle's brigade

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  • Harry Smeltzer
    Sep 12 2:39 PM
      Oops.that first commission expired 3/3/1863.

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      From: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com] On
      Behalf Of Harry Smeltzer
      Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:26 PM
      To: TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [TalkAntietam] South Mountain markers-Nagle's brigade

      Nagle's first BG USV commission expired without confirmation on 4/3/1863.
      He was not nominated until 12/23/1862: had he been confirmed, his date of
      rank would have been the same as his appointment date, 9/10/1862. He was
      nominated again on 3/10/1863, and confirmed 3/13/1863. Appointment date was
      3/23/1863 to date from 3/13/1863.

      So, his signing of reports as BG was at the very least premature.

      This is all in Eicher & Eicher.


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      Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:15 PM
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      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] South Mountain markers-Nagle's brigade

      Thanks, Tom. I didn't THINK there were any at Fox's, and the only ones I
      recall at Turner's were a few VERY general ones along the National Pike,
      across from the Mountain House.

      I'm at the NA right now digging through Nagle's CMSR and the Commissions
      Branch files trying to pin down the date on which he was actually appointed

      The commission was TO RANK Sept. 10, 1862, but it could have been issued
      anytime between then and Sept. 20 (the date on which he starts signing his
      reports "Brigadier General"). The 48th PA's monument says he received the
      commision on the 17th, but if there's one thing I've learned in my study of
      the Civil War, it's never to trust anything chisled into stone. :)

      The earliest mention of the appointment in the Congressional record is a
      letter from Lincoln submitting it to Congress on December 23, 1862 (but if
      that letter represents the actual appointment, then Nagle was either very
      psychic or very presumptuous). That date must be when Lincoln finally got
      around to submitting the appointment to Congress (it had been out of session
      from July 18 to Nov. 30, 1862).

      If anyone has a lead, I'm all ears (and much obliged)!


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      From: Thomas Clemens <clemenst@hagerstown
      <mailto:clemenst%40hagerstowncc.edu> cc.edu>
      To: TalkAntietam@ <mailto:TalkAntietam%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:16:52 PM
      Subject: Re: [TalkAntietam] South Mountain markers-Nagle's brigade

      There are no cast iron markers at Fox's Gap. I don't recall seeing one for
      Nagle's brigade at Turner's either, but would not stake my life on that

      Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
      Professor of History
      Hagerstown Community College

      >>> "joseph_pierro" <joseph_pierro@ yahoo.com> 09/12/07 1:40 PM >>>

      Does anyone happen to know if there's one of those Carman-era iron
      markers at Fox's Gap that covers Nagle's brigade in particular?

      If there is one, does anyone know how it lists his rank? I'm curious
      to know if it says "Brigadier General" (as at Antietam) or "Colonel."

      (I'd ask Steve Stotlmeyer, but I don't have his email. If anyone does
      and would be willing to pass it along, I'd be much obliged!)


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