3494Re: [TalkAntietam] Re: The Complete Story of Antietam
- Jun 24, 2007Dear Joseph,
I think I understand now what you meant in your previous email to
which I responded. Carman was the unofficial official Historian
of the Battle of Antietam for the Battlefield Board and as such
carried on a most exhaustive correspondence with surviving
veterans of both sides.
Being himself also a veteran of the fighting at Antietam where he
was colonel of the Thirteenth New Jersey, a nine month unit which
literally learned how to go through the motions of loading its
muskets under Confederate fire (talk about "on the job
training"!!!!), Carman had a personal interest in getting the
facts right. I agree with you that Carman's manuscript continues
to remain one of the highest sources for primary information
about the battle but, like most all documentation, the manuscript
is not without its flaws.
Another very worthwhile work is that authored by Francis Palfrey
titled "The Antietam and Fredericksburg", which can be purchased
in paperback form. IIRC Stephen Sears did the introduction to the
paperback edition. I have the book and have read it and found it
a very good source and containing much valuable information.
Yr. Obt. Svt.
G E "Gerry" Mayers
To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
on one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
Union, a passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from
the Almighty God. --Anonymous
----- Original Message -----
From: "joseph_pierro" <joseph_pierro@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: The Complete Story of Antietam
Dear Adam (and Gerry):
There seems to be a little confusion about this book.
It is not a study ABOUT Carman or his work (a biography of Carman
written soem years ago by a student of Joe Harsh's, but it
unpublished thesis); the book Adam appears to be referencing is
(soon to be) published and annotated edition of Carman's own
page manuscript (Tom Clemens and I differ as to the number of
my count comes in a little over 1,400.)
As for it being "less than definitive"--well, it is THE narrative
that has shaped the park's own interpretation of the battle to
day. Murfin, Sears, and Harsh all rely upon it. Which is not to
it doesn't have its problems (it IS a 100 year old work, crafted
standards of scholarship weren't as fixed and rigorous as a
work faces), but even those wirters who disagree with Carman's
interpretations first begin by taking him head-on. In Landscape
Turned Red, Sears called it the most detailed history of the
ever written. Nothing has changed since then to alter the truth
Carman's a bit like Freeman in that regard--writers can disagree
everythign he said, but they can't write on the subject without
coming to grips with his work at some point.
Had Dr. Harsh continued his series, I'd would no doubt have been
exhaustive campaign study. I question, however, whether he would
have gone into the tactical specificity Carman provided. I would
agree that Harsh's work--even in its current state--supplants
owes a debt to) Carman's as a large-unit, strategic/operational
I'm not sure how Gerry might have heard anything--positive or
otherwise--about it, as it hasn't yet reached print. (Five
have seen my edition to date. I'll let their reactions speak for
themselves on the book's Amazon page.) Perhaps his opinion will
improve once he sees it. ;)
Hanover Co., Va.
--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "G E Mayers" <gerry1952@...>
> Dear Adam,
> The book which you refer to about Carman has been referred to
> than a definitive study. Dr. Thomas Clemens, who won his
> an annotation of the Carman work, would be probably the best
> qualified for a definitive work on the Carman manuscript.
> Yr. Obt. Svt.
> G E "Gerry" Mayers
> To Be A Virginian, either by birth, marriage, adoption, or even
> one's mother's side, is an introduction to any state in the
> passport to any foreign country, and a benediction from the
> God. --Anonymous
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Zimmerli" <azimmerli@...>
> To: <TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:21 AM
> Subject: [TalkAntietam] Re: The Complete Story of Antietam
> I have to say I'm a fan of Joe Harsh's trilogy, but as far as a
> definitive study, I hear that Ezra Carman's study will be
> coming out
> this summer (at a thousand pages and a hundred dollars).
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "James W. Durney"
> > --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Clemens"
> > <clemenst@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I would argue that had Joe Harsh finished his multi-volume
> > > work
> > the Union perspective, together with Confederate trilogy,
> > they
> > definitive. But very long.
> > >
> > >
> > I would only argue it would be very very very long. Having
> > read
> > some
> > of your work, I hope to see a book on the battle some day> >
> > James
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