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  • Vlade Malfet
    trinidadians.. . by a genetic anonomoly have aproximatly 20% more cranial calcium based mass....as a result of this, trinidadians have hard heads... gonna take
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      trinidadians.. . by a genetic anonomoly
      have aproximatly 20% more cranial calcium based mass....as a result of this, trinidadians have hard heads... gonna take a while for that lesson to sink in,.


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Richard Jobity
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      Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:50 AM
      Subject: RE: [TTLUG] Proprietary source to steal an election?


      The Americans are now beginning to appreciate the importance of that distinction. As, I suspect, are Trinidadians. Heh.

      Enough of politics for now - this could get offtopic very quickly.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Vlade Malfet [mailto:blacknwhite@...]
      Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:44 AM
      To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [TTLUG] Proprietary source to steal an election?


      funny...i thought we elected people to serve us not for us to serve them...

      what the hell hppened...
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Richard Jobity
      To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:16 AM
      Subject: RE: [TTLUG] Proprietary source to steal an election?


      Well, people have been having a fine time raising these impartiality and free speech issues in the US. Diebold's response has been to call for service providers to not provide space to papers critical of Diebold. Which, of course, makes it far more likely for the papers to be hosted, with many mirrors.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Vlade Malfet [mailto:blacknwhite@...]
      Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 10:05 AM
      To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [TTLUG] Proprietary source to steal an election?


      conspiracy nut here....
      First off... i say if it happens they asked for it...I mena... if you were gonna vote, would you really want to vote on a system that canot keep track of individual votes?...what if all you saw was 300000 votes to and 300001 against...and all programmers here know how easy it is to send a sim[ple loop feedback program to say for every 2 votes for, set 3rd vote as against.

      As far as i am concerned Any company that shows politicaql interest should not be alowed to prepare software... and if they HAVE to, the code should be open and verified by a indipendent sorce.

      Now i can hear the activist out there saying open source makes easier hacking.....well...there are some things that simply shoul not be online.
      A system like this should nto be on the internet.
      I dont feel very safe knowign that many necluar misile bases can be accessed via the internet / satalite relay....and the fact that there are necluar power plants that may be accessed the same way dsoent help me that much either.

      So... if they get hacked or duped... they asked for it....
      Keep the damn curcit seperate...
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: ajchung
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      Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:37 AM
      Subject: [TTLUG] Proprietary source to steal an election?


      For another angle on the Open Source vs. Proprietary debate consider
      the movement to modernise the US election system in the wake of the
      "hanging chad" fiasco in Florida 2000. Several state level elections,
      including the recall election for the governor of California, have
      already been held using touch screen voting machines using software of
      highly questionable quality. These systems are proprietary and offer
      no way to recount votes or to verify that votes have been cast for the
      candidate the votee intended. Studies by leading computer scientists
      in software quality and security have confirmed this. The 2004 US
      election to choose who'll be deciding policy over the Western world
      (and not to mention various parts of the Middle East) may be
      determined by software only a tiny privileged minority are allowed to
      see.

      And for the conspiracy nuts, consider the fact that America's top
      three computer voting machine manufacturers - Diebold, Sequoia and
      Election Systems and Software (ES&S) are all big Republican donors.



      Paper on electronic voting
      http://avirubin.com/vote.pdf

      The controversy surrounding Diebold, the company that
      manufactures touch screen voting machines:
      http://www.msnbc.com/news/985033.asp
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3325679,00.html

      Diebold uses DMCA to cover up flaws in its voting machines:
      http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/09/1649419_comment.php
      http://www.eff.net/Legal/ISP_liability/20031016_eff_pr.php

      Free Electionic Voting Machine project on Sourceforge
      http://evm2003.sourceforge.net/



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    • Raul Bermudez
      ... This is somewhat related: http://web.onetel.com/~vheadline/00000110.asp Election System & Software (ES&S) Co refuses to sell security codes for election
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        > Enough of politics for now - this could get offtopic very quickly.
        >

        This is somewhat related:

        http://web.onetel.com/~vheadline/00000110.asp

        Election System & Software (ES&S) Co refuses to sell security codes for
        election machines

        10/31/2003 -- The Election System & Software (ES&S) Company has refused to
        sell the National Electoral College (CNE) security codes of the voting
        machines used in elections but still managed to put in a machine maintenance
        offer to run the upcoming recall referendum.

        * The CNE bought 7,350 machines in 1999 for $55 million but now wants
        property rights to avoid having to hire the security codes every time there
        is an election.

        According to the Gaceta Electoral, the CNE paid ES&S $400,000 to hire the
        security codes in the last election and then contracted the Spanish Indra
        Co. (who subcontracted to ES&S) for maintenance work to the tune of 22.2
        million.

        CNE board member, Jorge Rodriguez says that it is highly likely that the CNE
        will put out feelers to the ProCom Co. and the Supreme Electoral Tribunal of
        Brazil. A Venezuelan technical team is expected to fly to Sao Paulo shortly
        to see how the systems worked during the Brazilian presidential election.

        The CNE has cooked up an technical cooperation with Ontario Electoral
        Authority in an effort to shake off alleged machinations and political
        maneuvering on the part of Indra.

        Patrick J. O'Donoghue
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