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  • Taran Rampersad <cnd@knowprose.com>
    ... given ... be more ... Well - snapshot: Trinidad now is not where the U.S. - or even India - is now. Education of users shouldn t be an issue of semantics
    Message 1 of 9 , Dec 9, 2002
      --- In TTLUG@yahoogroups.com, RichardJ@n... wrote:
      > I undrstand why he says what he says the more I get into GNU/Linux,
      given
      > what the commercial vendors do, and have done. <grin>. Raymond may
      be more
      > practical, but without the stubbornness and ideological rigidity of a
      > Stallman we'd probably not be using Linux the way we do, or hope to.

      Well - snapshot: Trinidad now is not where the U.S. - or even India -
      is now. Education of users shouldn't be an issue of semantics at this
      point, I think. Such arguments are nice for those of us who understand
      them, but if they get to the general public, it would be hard to
      explain, and that could be an undoing. I think it's more important
      that the spirit of things be explained to people, rather than the
      adventures of Free vs. Open. If we keep the spirit right... well...
      when the discussion comes up, people will have a base of understanding
      that will permit them to see what the discussion is about. Layered
      education, so to speak.

      As it is, I think it's as detrimental as Microsoft's marketing tactics
      in developing countries.

      > I've actually used XP on other people's computers. It feels dog slow on
      > modern computers - and that is with the eye candy turned off. Also, in
      > terms of usability I'm not convinced yet about its merits over
      Windows 2000,
      > far less a well-tuned Linux box. But that is a discussion for
      another list.

      Through Syscom, I've seen a few XP machines. Dr. Medford has one that
      he uses in the office that he is having problems with... His use of it
      is REALLY cool, because he has an endoscope connected to the graphics
      card for recording video as well. If I had the time - I would like to
      convert him completely to Linux. He's willing, if he gets the
      functionality... he likes using Powerpoint and such with his patients.
      However, it <i>is</i> a work machine, and as such, the downtime would
      have to be low for the reload, etc. If I have the time next year, I
      may do it...

      Dr. Medford has had computers since the Apple II, so... he's
      reasonably literate, but in his practice, he needs something that just
      does what he needs it to. He does like it to look nice, so the command
      line is out. Plus, if one doctor gets a system working... well...

      As it is, I may just throw Win2k on his machine to get him over the
      hump if he keeps having problems. If anyone has ideas or is interested
      in converting this quite visible machine to Linux, pop me an email...
      word of warning - it would have to be done right the first time :D

      Taran
      http://www.knowprose.com
    • RichardJ@ngc.co.tt
      ACtually, my big issue is trying to get people to understand why just pirating the software is bad. I understand that people don t mind sharing, but at the
      Message 2 of 9 , Dec 9, 2002
        ACtually, my big issue is trying to get people to understand why just
        pirating the software is bad. I understand that people don't mind sharing,
        but
        at the saame time, that further entrenches and enslaves users to be at the
        mercy of
        commercial software companies, with the not owning your data problems, etc.

        > As it is, I think it's as detrimental as Microsoft's marketing tactics
        > in developing countries.

        It may sound like I'm a GNU fanatic, but actually I don't do much GNU
        philosophy.
        I just appreciate the message. I try to turn the people on to cost savings
        and
        convenience advantages of using Linux. :)

        Microsoft marketing can range from BSA threats to FUD to at times more
        sinister methods.
        THAT is a discussion for another time and ties in with something that one of
        the LUG
        groups up the islands once told me. I dismissed it then, but who knows?

        >His use of it is REALLY cool, because he has an endoscope connected to the
        graphics
        >card for recording video as well. If I had the time - I would like to
        >convert him completely to Linux. He's willing, if he gets the
        >functionality... he likes using Powerpoint and such with his patients.

        Life and death application? That is a cool application of the technology.
        I'd put Win2K on the machine for now, and try to work the
        free software/Linux conversion in gradually. Set him up with
        OpenOffice.org, let him try
        out his presentations there, etc. See how that works.

        Research the video apps that may
        work with his model of endoscope. I understand his need for it to Just Work
        -
        a bit more reliably than Good Enough, as Jerry Pournelle would say.

        >Dr. Medford has had computers since the Apple II, so... he's
        >reasonably literate, but in his practice, he needs something that just
        >does what he needs it to. He does like it to look nice, so the command
        >line is out. Plus, if one doctor gets a system working... well...

        >As it is, I may just throw Win2k on his machine to get him over the
        >hump if he keeps having problems. If anyone has ideas or is interested
        >in converting this quite visible machine to Linux, pop me an email...
        >word of warning - it would have to be done right the first time :D

        We'd need to know his PC hardware. :)

        Has he tried using a Apple with OS X to capture the video? Just a thought.
      • deosaran bisnath
        ... Good ol Jerry. good ol BYTE. Gone. Lotus, gone. Wordstar, gone. dBASE, gone. WordPerfect, almost gone. SUN Microsystems, dead but not yet gone,
        Message 3 of 9 , Dec 9, 2002
          >From: RichardJ@...
          >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
          >To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
          >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] Re: Hi, Taran
          >Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:21:45 -0400
          >
          >-
          >a bit more reliably than Good Enough, as Jerry Pournelle would say.
          >
          Good ol Jerry. good ol BYTE. Gone. <sob> <sob>
          Lotus, gone. Wordstar, gone. dBASE, gone. WordPerfect, almost gone. SUN
          Microsystems, dead but not yet gone, shares at $2 and $3. Bill Gates conquer
          world. <sob> <sob>
          Jeez, I'm old. Gonna knock back a few hard ones, straight.

          > >Dr. Medford has had computers since the Apple II, so... he's

          Dr. Medford in Chaguanas, I presume? Good guy, my mom's doctor.


          > >reasonably literate, but in his practice, he needs something that just
          > >does what he needs it to. He does like it to look nice, so the command
          > >line is out. Plus, if one doctor gets a system working... well...
          >
          > >As it is, I may just throw Win2k on his machine to get him over the
          > >hump if he keeps having problems. If anyone has ideas or is interested
          > >in converting this quite visible machine to Linux, pop me an email...
          > >word of warning - it would have to be done right the first time :D
          >
          >We'd need to know his PC hardware. :)
          >
          >Has he tried using a Apple with OS X to capture the video? Just a thought.

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        • Taran Rampersad <cnd@knowprose.com>
          ... sharing, ... at the ... problems, etc. ... savings ... Well, the Stallman thread I posted above is something I m standing out of - I don t want to affect
          Message 4 of 9 , Dec 9, 2002
            --- In TTLUG@yahoogroups.com, RichardJ@n... wrote:
            > ACtually, my big issue is trying to get people to understand why just
            > pirating the software is bad. I understand that people don't mind
            sharing,
            > but
            > at the saame time, that further entrenches and enslaves users to be
            at the
            > mercy of
            > commercial software companies, with the not owning your data
            problems, etc.
            >
            > > As it is, I think it's as detrimental as Microsoft's marketing tactics
            > > in developing countries.
            >
            > It may sound like I'm a GNU fanatic, but actually I don't do much GNU
            > philosophy.
            > I just appreciate the message. I try to turn the people on to cost
            savings
            > and
            > convenience advantages of using Linux. :)

            Well, the Stallman thread I posted above is something I'm standing out
            of - I don't want to affect it initially, or even in the middle... And
            that means I have to be quiet here as well.

            > Life and death application? That is a cool application of the
            technology.
            > I'd put Win2K on the machine for now, and try to work the
            > free software/Linux conversion in gradually. Set him up with
            > OpenOffice.org, let him try
            > out his presentations there, etc. See how that works.
            >
            > Research the video apps that may
            > work with his model of endoscope. I understand his need for it to
            Just Work
            > -
            > a bit more reliably than Good Enough, as Jerry Pournelle would say.
            >
            > >Dr. Medford has had computers since the Apple II, so... he's
            > >reasonably literate, but in his practice, he needs something that just
            > >does what he needs it to. He does like it to look nice, so the command
            > >line is out. Plus, if one doctor gets a system working... well...
            >
            > >As it is, I may just throw Win2k on his machine to get him over the
            > >hump if he keeps having problems. If anyone has ideas or is interested
            > >in converting this quite visible machine to Linux, pop me an email...
            > >word of warning - it would have to be done right the first time :D
            >
            > We'd need to know his PC hardware. :)
            >
            > Has he tried using a Apple with OS X to capture the video? Just a
            thought.

            Well, he doesn't have an unlimited budget. As I recall, he's running
            an AMD 2200 Athlon with 256 meg DDR... The interface to the card
            endoscope is easy, it's straight video. His video card is an ATI All
            in Wonder... He could play Doom from across the room with the remote,
            but, sadly, he doesn't :)
          • Taran Rampersad <cnd@knowprose.com>
            ... I think you re referring to his Uncle. No, this is the one who is the ENT specialist in South...
            Message 5 of 9 , Dec 9, 2002
              --- In TTLUG@yahoogroups.com, "deosaran bisnath" <dbisnath@h...> wrote:

              > Dr. Medford in Chaguanas, I presume? Good guy, my mom's doctor.

              I think you're referring to his Uncle. No, this is the one who is the
              ENT specialist in South...
            • RichardJ@ngc.co.tt
              ... Actually, Byte just went subscriber on their website at http://www.byte.com . If you do subscribe, all the great content you used to get is still there.
              Message 6 of 9 , Dec 10, 2002
                > Good ol Jerry. good ol BYTE. Gone. <sob> <sob>

                Actually, Byte just went subscriber on their website at http://www.byte.com
                . If you do subscribe, all the great content you used to get is still
                there. Including Chaos Manor.

                I get my weekly Jerry fix at http://www.jerrypournelle.com . :) Part of
                the Daynoters at http://www.daynotes.org .


                > Lotus, gone.

                Still a bit alive as part of Smartsuite. Hasn't been updated in a looong
                time, though.


                > Wordstar, gone.


                Good thing too. I hated those keyboard shortcuts in the old CP/M version.
                However, you could have done a LOT when you learnt all the cool keys.

                > dBASE, gone.

                Still lives on in sundry Borland products.

                > WordPerfect, almost gone.

                Still fighting the good fight and still the best word processor in the W32
                arena.


                > SUN Microsystems, dead but not yet gone, shares at $2 and $3. Bill Gates
                conquer
                world. <sob> <sob>

                Still to be determined.
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