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  • John deering
    If you think that deregulation/demonopolization etc will bring faster/cheaper internet access you may need to think again. The reality of Internet on an island
    Message 1 of 18 , Apr 5, 2001
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      If you think that deregulation/demonopolization etc will bring
      faster/cheaper internet access you may need to think again.

      The reality of Internet on an island is just that, you are on an island
      and the only way to a backbone internet(US etc) is either via fibre
      on Americas I/II up the ocean or via a satellite link.
      Fibres up the ocean are extremely scarce and costly on the whole so it aint
      gonna be cheap unless you are part of the consortium that laid
      the fibre and paid for the ships to do it(C&W/TSTT was part of it)

      If the market was demonopolized, the new players will not make internet
      a priority. The priority is voice, overseas voice to be exact as well
      as cellular since no new entrant is going to want to run copper.

      Satellite ain't exactly cheap either, a T1 will run about $20kUS monthly
      and the dish/electronics about $25k US. ISP's here are using satellite
      already.

      How many broadband connections can a T1 support realistically ?
      1.5/.128 = 11 128k links, 128k aint even considered broadband anyways.

      Who gonna supply broadband service on this island ?

      Do you know the cost of DSL equipment ?
      Do you know the cost of Cable equipment ?
      Do you know the cost of Wireless equipment ?

      A non TSTT competitor is wont be able to use TSTT's copper, so it wont be
      dsl.
      We talking in millions here. No business putting out millions in
      hard cash nowadays, so its gonna be bank financed and the banks gonna
      want to see a hard profit line which equals no giveaways.

      I would suggest to all that they go search on the internet for the cost
      of satellite connections from the various big players(interpacket) to get an
      idea
      and to also go on ebay and look for the cost of internet equipment/routers
      etc.

      We may not like the fact that the cable company raised rates, but they
      did indeed replace all the copper backbone with a fibre backbone and that
      probably cost in 7 or 8 digits. Somebody has to pay for it and somebody
      is running it as a business and not a charity.

      We can lobby to break the monopoly, but after a new business moves in
      and has to put out big recurring money, do you think they will be giving it
      away ? A cost conscious CEO is not neccessarily a backwards thinking CEO,
      its just the reality of living on an island with an economy which
      does not run in US dollars.

      What we need is for TSTT to stop trying to be the sole competitor in the
      internet space and just wholesale the big bandwidth it can get on the fibre
      to local isp's at wholesale prices instead of double what it sells to nonisp
      customers(check their webpage for reseller charges)
      This way we can have a proper distribution of the product instead of
      an inflated price which chokes the trickle down effect.


      >From: "Nigel Ayen" <markayen@...>
      >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
      >To: "T&T Linux Users Group" <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
      >Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
      >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:25:10 -0500
      >
      >Adrain
      >
      >When I said we should adopt the Nike slogan and 'Just Do It!', I did not
      >mean that we should go out and disregard the existing telecommunications
      >regulations (?). What I was suggesting is that we, as professionals in the
      >local industry, should be more vocal and become more involved in the
      >decision making process.
      >
      >I am suggesting that we do things like attract more members to groups like
      >TTLUG, ITPS, TTCS. Even form one body to represent all the players in the
      >local telecommunications and IT industry. Lobby for a position at the
      >Chamber of Commerce. Write to the newspapers, accept speaking engagements,
      >etc. In other words, work as hard as the Minister is doing right now to get
      >publicity for this issue. We have an advantage.....He is one person but
      >there are many of us.
      >
      >Dictate to the Government where we should be. Someone said that the
      >Minister is out of his league. That's true! He does not understand this
      >business. However, it is our careers at stake here and we should have some
      >say in the direction it's going to take.
      >
      >We talk about money and where it's going to come from. We need a paradigm
      >shift in our thinking. We can no longer think local...we need to think
      >global. Here's the deal. If our businesses are to compete globally we need
      >the necessary telecommunications infrastructure. Dialup 28.8k from TSTT
      >ain't gonna do it. We need broadband access to compete. And we need it
      >cheaply. Our backward thinking CEO's may not want to invest in broadband
      >now but that there are others who will. AT&T is ready to come in once the
      >regulations allow them to. They see the bottom line.....money to be made!
      >We just need to demonstrate that we are as talented as any professional
      >coming out of India, Malaysia or the US. "Just Do It!"
      >
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    • Ansar Mohammed
      John, I did some research on this. the frequecy is 2.4 Ghz. But they assured me that their power output would reduce the possibilty and impact of interference.
      Message 2 of 18 , Apr 9, 2001
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        John,
        I did some research on this. the frequecy is 2.4 Ghz. But they assured me
        that their power output would reduce the possibilty and impact of
        interference.

        Ansar



        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
        > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:03 PM
        > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
        >
        >
        > Ok, we are both in "think that they are using/heard that..." mode.
        > So we are both unsure and running on heresay
        >
        >
        > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
        > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
        > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
        > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
        > >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:20:55 -0400
        > >
        > >I don't think that Borde is using 2.4. I think they are using 3.x....
        > >They would have to be crazy to use 2.4
        > >
        > > > -----Original Message-----
        > > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
        > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:27 PM
        > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Is this the same 2.4ghz band that Borde is running spike on ?
        > > > I heard they don't own the frequency they run on,
        > > > they are supposedly using a "free for all frequency"
        > > >
        > > > Interestingly the ITAL/Zicom thing is running on 3.6ghz
        > according to
        > > > their media releases, smack in the middle of satellite vsat.
        > > > Any vsat in line with their stuff is going to be in trouble
        > > > or vice versa.
        > > > And there ARE a lot of vsats in port of spain, look at any
        > > > tall building.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
        > > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
        > > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
        > > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
        > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:24:08 -0400
        > > > >
        > > > >this solution would not provide internet access however,
        > > > >if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b
        > > > wireless network
        > > > >running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..
        > > > >
        > > > >they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s
        > > > thoughput. if we get
        > > > >enough people together who are willing to foot the cost ..
        > > > it would be a
        > > > >great idea..
        > > > >
        > > > >Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would
        > > > be marginally
        > > > >cheaper.
        > > > >
        > > > >Ansar
        > > > >
        > > > > > -----Original Message-----
        > > > > > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
        > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
        > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
        > > > > >
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > If you have more information on this let me know.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Chris
        > > > > >
        > > > > > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
        > > > > > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
        > > > > > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US
        > > > > > per node...
        > > > > > > anybody intersted??
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
        > > > > > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
        > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
        > > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
        > > > > > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
        > > > > > competition in the
        > > > > > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are
        > > > > > doing in the
        > > > > > > > U.S.
        > > > > >
        > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
        > > > > > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the
        > > > nearest high
        > > > > > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it
        > > > > > -- we'd have
        > > > > > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you
        > > > > > look at it
        > > > > > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve
        > the networks
        > > > > > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
        > > > > > potential returns
        > > > > > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg
        > > > problem. The brain
        > > > > > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is
        > poor. The IT
        > > > > > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as
        > the brain drain
        > > > > > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and
        > > > > > the economic
        > > > > > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's
        > brain drain.
        > > > > > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
        > > > > > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
        > > > > > not worth what
        > > > > > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1
        > > > > > billion helps
        > > > > > > > apparently.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > --
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        > > > > > > >
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      • John deering
        Is this a Borde fully owned/licensed freq ? ... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from
        Message 3 of 18 , Apr 9, 2001
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          Is this a Borde fully owned/licensed freq ?

          >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
          >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
          >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
          >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
          >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:26:06 -0400
          >
          >John,
          >I did some research on this. the frequecy is 2.4 Ghz. But they assured me
          >that their power output would reduce the possibilty and impact of
          >interference.
          >
          >Ansar
          >
          >
          >
          > > -----Original Message-----
          > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
          > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:03 PM
          > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
          > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
          > >
          > >
          > > Ok, we are both in "think that they are using/heard that..." mode.
          > > So we are both unsure and running on heresay
          > >
          > >
          > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
          > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
          > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
          > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
          > > >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:20:55 -0400
          > > >
          > > >I don't think that Borde is using 2.4. I think they are using 3.x....
          > > >They would have to be crazy to use 2.4
          > > >
          > > > > -----Original Message-----
          > > > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
          > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:27 PM
          > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
          > > > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > Is this the same 2.4ghz band that Borde is running spike on ?
          > > > > I heard they don't own the frequency they run on,
          > > > > they are supposedly using a "free for all frequency"
          > > > >
          > > > > Interestingly the ITAL/Zicom thing is running on 3.6ghz
          > > according to
          > > > > their media releases, smack in the middle of satellite vsat.
          > > > > Any vsat in line with their stuff is going to be in trouble
          > > > > or vice versa.
          > > > > And there ARE a lot of vsats in port of spain, look at any
          > > > > tall building.
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
          > > > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
          > > > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
          > > > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
          > > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:24:08 -0400
          > > > > >
          > > > > >this solution would not provide internet access however,
          > > > > >if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b
          > > > > wireless network
          > > > > >running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..
          > > > > >
          > > > > >they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s
          > > > > thoughput. if we get
          > > > > >enough people together who are willing to foot the cost ..
          > > > > it would be a
          > > > > >great idea..
          > > > > >
          > > > > >Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would
          > > > > be marginally
          > > > > >cheaper.
          > > > > >
          > > > > >Ansar
          > > > > >
          > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
          > > > > > > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
          > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
          > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
          > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > If you have more information on this let me know.
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > Chris
          > > > > > >
          > > > > > > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
          > > > > > > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
          > > > > > > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US
          > > > > > > per node...
          > > > > > > > anybody intersted??
          > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
          > > > > > > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
          > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
          > > > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
          > > > > > > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
          > > > > > > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
          > > > > > > competition in the
          > > > > > > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are
          > > > > > > doing in the
          > > > > > > > > U.S.
          > > > > > >
          > > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
          > > > > > > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the
          > > > > nearest high
          > > > > > > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it
          > > > > > > -- we'd have
          > > > > > > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you
          > > > > > > look at it
          > > > > > > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve
          > > the networks
          > > > > > > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
          > > > > > > potential returns
          > > > > > > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg
          > > > > problem. The brain
          > > > > > > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is
          > > poor. The IT
          > > > > > > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as
          > > the brain drain
          > > > > > > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and
          > > > > > > the economic
          > > > > > > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's
          > > brain drain.
          > > > > > > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
          > > > > > > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
          > > > > > > not worth what
          > > > > > > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1
          > > > > > > billion helps
          > > > > > > > > apparently.
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > >
          > > > > > > > > --
          > > > > > > > > Adrian
          > > > > > > > >
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        • Ansar Mohammed
          No, they just have permission to use it from the Board Of telecom from what I gather. They said that if push came to shove, they would have no problem in a
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            No, they just have permission to use it from the Board Of telecom from what
            I gather.
            They said that if push came to shove, they would have no problem in a
            re-claibration to another freq.





            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
            > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:45 PM
            > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Is this a Borde fully owned/licensed freq ?
            >
            > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
            > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
            > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
            > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
            > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:26:06 -0400
            > >
            > >John,
            > >I did some research on this. the frequecy is 2.4 Ghz. But
            > they assured me
            > >that their power output would reduce the possibilty and impact of
            > >interference.
            > >
            > >Ansar
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > > -----Original Message-----
            > > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
            > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:03 PM
            > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
            > > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Ok, we are both in "think that they are using/heard that..." mode.
            > > > So we are both unsure and running on heresay
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
            > > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
            > > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
            > > > >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:20:55 -0400
            > > > >
            > > > >I don't think that Borde is using 2.4. I think they are
            > using 3.x....
            > > > >They would have to be crazy to use 2.4
            > > > >
            > > > > > -----Original Message-----
            > > > > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
            > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:27 PM
            > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Is this the same 2.4ghz band that Borde is running spike on ?
            > > > > > I heard they don't own the frequency they run on,
            > > > > > they are supposedly using a "free for all frequency"
            > > > > >
            > > > > > Interestingly the ITAL/Zicom thing is running on 3.6ghz
            > > > according to
            > > > > > their media releases, smack in the middle of satellite vsat.
            > > > > > Any vsat in line with their stuff is going to be in trouble
            > > > > > or vice versa.
            > > > > > And there ARE a lot of vsats in port of spain, look at any
            > > > > > tall building.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
            > > > > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
            > > > > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
            > > > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:24:08 -0400
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >this solution would not provide internet access however,
            > > > > > >if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b
            > > > > > wireless network
            > > > > > >running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s
            > > > > > thoughput. if we get
            > > > > > >enough people together who are willing to foot the cost ..
            > > > > > it would be a
            > > > > > >great idea..
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would
            > > > > > be marginally
            > > > > > >cheaper.
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > >Ansar
            > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
            > > > > > > > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
            > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
            > > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > If you have more information on this let me know.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > Chris
            > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
            > > > > > > > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
            > > > > > > > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more
            > than $1500US
            > > > > > > > per node...
            > > > > > > > > anybody intersted??
            > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
            > > > > > > > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
            > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
            > > > > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > What do you want us to do without breaking
            > all manner of
            > > > > > > > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
            > > > > > > > competition in the
            > > > > > > > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the
            > gevernment.
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > We could make our own community LAN like the
            > hackers are
            > > > > > > > doing in the
            > > > > > > > > > U.S.
            > > > > > > >
            > > > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
            > > > > > > > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the
            > > > > > nearest high
            > > > > > > > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't
            > gonna cut it
            > > > > > > > -- we'd have
            > > > > > > > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre.
            > Anyway you
            > > > > > > > look at it
            > > > > > > > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve
            > > > the networks
            > > > > > > > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
            > > > > > > > potential returns
            > > > > > > > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg
            > > > > > problem. The brain
            > > > > > > > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is
            > > > poor. The IT
            > > > > > > > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as
            > > > the brain drain
            > > > > > > > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US
            > immigration law and
            > > > > > > > the economic
            > > > > > > > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's
            > > > brain drain.
            > > > > > > > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
            > > > > > > > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
            > > > > > > > not worth what
            > > > > > > > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a
            > population of 1
            > > > > > > > billion helps
            > > > > > > > > > apparently.
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > >
            > > > > > > > > > --
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            > > > > > > > > >
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