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  • Dale Chulhan - Home
    Dubbed The Future Of Information Technology In Trinidad And Tobago , this event Organised largely by The Caribbean Academy Of Sciences turned out to much of a
    Message 1 of 18 , Apr 2 7:57 PM
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      Dubbed "The Future Of Information Technology In Trinidad And Tobago",
      this event Organised largely by The Caribbean Academy Of Sciences turned
      out to much of a dissapointment to me.

      I remain in the dark about this group. What is The Caribbean Academy Of
      Sciences? If any of you know please enlighten me.

      Present as panelists were:
      Prof, St. Clair King
      Mr. P. Rochford
      Prof. C. Posthoff
      Mr. G. Seyon
      Dr. T. Farell.

      In addition the Minister of Communication and IT Ralph Maraj, Prof H.
      Ramkissoon and Prof. W. Chan were also present.

      The event was highlighted by a visit by the Minister to give his take on
      IT in the country and assure us that he is indeed working FOR us as the
      minister and not against us.

      Next each of the panelists were asked to give BRIEF views on their
      opinion of the subject at hand.

      Prof, St. Clair King
      ====================
      Delivered what could only be described as a gashing blow to the
      government and major businesses. He made me think in his statement
      w.r.t. a comment that the minister made about IT being a lucrative
      business. He asked a question ... Lucrative to who? After ( most
      unfortunately chopping up his prepared material ) this man left me in
      awe at his complete understanding of the industry. He spoke like a man
      well opposed in his life time.

      Mr. P. Rochford
      ===============
      A man very proud of his acomplishments and his "getting IT involved"
      where ever he went. His past accomplishments include bringing VISA to
      TNT, LINX and the computerisation of BWIA's reservation system.

      Prof. C. Posthoff
      =================
      A well respected professor at the university giving us some insights as
      to how he plans to inject more capable people into the work force.

      Mr. G. Seyon
      ============
      Schol winner, MIT graduate and a trini who wishes to come home but ....

      Dr. T. Farell.
      =============
      A very pointed man with an (economists?) view of the whole IT situation.

      Shortly after the panelists did their "intros" the moderator made and
      announcement that the Minister had to leave. After a few brief comments
      he left.

      The floor was then opened for discussion.

      One person made rather acute comments about this not being a true public
      forum without the minister's presence.

      About six people (out of a remaing 50 or so - everyone packed up shop
      when the minister left, camera men, media and 3/4 the audience) actually
      made comments.

      True forum not?

      The next event organised by the caribbean academy of sciences is:
      A Public Lecture by Prof. Cardinald Ward ( MIT ) "Trends in Optical
      Technologies - Servicing The Information Technology And
      Telecommunication Industries"

      One can only hope also that the refreshments at this future endevour
      will be more palpable.

      Any attendees are asked to add their comments.
    • Adrian J. Chung
      ... You missed the part where they were dissing the minister about not doing enuff to end TSTT s monopoly, or investing in broadband, then bringing in
      Message 2 of 18 , Apr 3 8:21 AM
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        > About six people actually made comments.

        You missed the part where they were dissing the minister about not
        doing enuff to end TSTT's monopoly, or investing in broadband, then
        bringing in specialists from India to train government in IT as if we
        cannot grow our own "rice" here.

        Should've recorded that part on camcorder and sent it into TV6.
        Would've been more entertaining that the sitcoms they've been
        showing lately.


        An interesting point was made by one of the panelists about Trinis
        abroad turning their backs to US $80k+ salaries and wanting to come
        back here -- the only thing stopping them being the lack of IT
        infrastructure. C'mon! This cannot possibly be true if they've
        already gotten Green Cards. Recent news reports are saying that it is
        the non-US-resident foreign workers that are being "victimised" by US
        employers in the economic slowdown. When markets recover I'm sure
        they'd be changing their tune. The ever-present brain drain is but
        one obstacle to information-based economic development.


        --
        Adrian
      • Adrian J. Chung
        ... You missed the part where they were dissing the minister about not doing enuff to end TSTT s monopoly, or investing in broadband, then bringing in
        Message 3 of 18 , Apr 3 8:27 AM
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          > About six people actually made comments.

          You missed the part where they were dissing the minister about not
          doing enuff to end TSTT's monopoly, or investing in broadband, then
          bringing in specialists from India to train government in IT as if we
          cannot grow our own "rice" here.

          Should've recorded that part on camcorder and sent it into TV6.
          Would've been more entertaining that the sitcoms they've been
          showing lately.


          An interesting point was made by one of the panelists about Trinis
          abroad turning their backs to US $80k+ salaries and wanting to come
          back here -- the only thing stopping them being the lack of IT
          infrastructure. C'mon! This cannot possibly be true if they've
          already gotten Green Cards. Recent news reports are saying that it is
          the non-US-resident foreign workers that are being "victimised" by US
          employers in the economic slowdown. When markets recover I'm sure
          they'd be changing their tune. The ever-present brain drain is but
          one obstacle to information-based economic development.


          --
          Adrian
        • Ansar Mohammed
          We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad... running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US per node... anybody intersted??
          Message 4 of 18 , Apr 4 8:26 AM
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            We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
            running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US per node...
            anybody intersted??




            > -----Original Message-----
            > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
            > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
            > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
            >
            >
            > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
            >
            > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
            > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up competition in the
            > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
            >
            > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are doing in the
            > U.S. (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
            > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the nearest high
            > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it -- we'd have
            > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you look at it
            > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
            >
            > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve the networks
            > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the potential returns
            > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg problem. The brain
            > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is poor. The IT
            > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as the brain drain
            > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and the economic
            > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's brain drain.
            > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
            > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is not worth what
            > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1 billion helps
            > apparently.
            >
            >
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          • Adrian J. Chung
            ... What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up competition in the telecoms without some
            Message 5 of 18 , Apr 4 9:04 AM
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              > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"

              What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
              telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up competition in the
              telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.

              We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are doing in the
              U.S. (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
              but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the nearest high
              bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it -- we'd have
              to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you look at it
              you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.

              One might entice the government/TSTT to improve the networks
              themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the potential returns
              worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg problem. The brain
              drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is poor. The IT
              infrastructure will remain poor for as long as the brain drain
              continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and the economic
              downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's brain drain.
              (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
              Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is not worth what
              they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1 billion helps
              apparently.


              --
              Adrian
            • Christien Bunting
              Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here. If you have more information on this let me know. Chris ... -- Christien Bunting Bunting and Associates The
              Message 6 of 18 , Apr 4 9:07 AM
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                Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.

                If you have more information on this let me know.

                Chris

                On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
                > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
                > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US per node...
                > anybody intersted??
                >
                > > -----Original Message-----
                > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
                > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
                > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                > >
                > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
                > >
                > > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
                > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up competition in the
                > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
                > >
                > > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are doing in the
                > > U.S. (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
                > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the nearest high
                > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it -- we'd have
                > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you look at it
                > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
                > >
                > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve the networks
                > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the potential returns
                > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg problem. The brain
                > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is poor. The IT
                > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as the brain drain
                > > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and the economic
                > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's brain drain.
                > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
                > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is not worth what
                > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1 billion helps
                > > apparently.
                > >
                > >
                > > --
                > > Adrian
                > >
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              • Ansar Mohammed
                this solution would not provide internet access however, if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b wireless network running off 2.4Ghz using
                Message 7 of 18 , Apr 4 10:24 AM
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                  this solution would not provide internet access however,
                  if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b wireless network
                  running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..

                  they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s thoughput. if we get
                  enough people together who are willing to foot the cost .. it would be a
                  great idea..

                  Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would be marginally
                  cheaper.

                  Ansar

                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
                  > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
                  > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                  >
                  >
                  > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
                  >
                  > If you have more information on this let me know.
                  >
                  > Chris
                  >
                  > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
                  > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
                  > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US
                  > per node...
                  > > anybody intersted??
                  > >
                  > > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
                  > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
                  > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                  > > >
                  > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
                  > > >
                  > > > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
                  > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
                  > competition in the
                  > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
                  > > >
                  > > > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are
                  > doing in the
                  > > > U.S.
                  > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
                  > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the nearest high
                  > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it
                  > -- we'd have
                  > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you
                  > look at it
                  > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
                  > > >
                  > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve the networks
                  > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
                  > potential returns
                  > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg problem. The brain
                  > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is poor. The IT
                  > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as the brain drain
                  > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and
                  > the economic
                  > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's brain drain.
                  > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
                  > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
                  > not worth what
                  > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1
                  > billion helps
                  > > > apparently.
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > --
                  > > > Adrian
                  > > >
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                  > Christien Bunting
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                • Nolan Joseph
                  Sounds interesting, Veerry interesting. ... From: Ansar Mohammed [mailto:amohammed@carib-link.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:24 PM To:
                  Message 8 of 18 , Apr 4 10:45 AM
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                    Sounds interesting, Veerry interesting.

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Ansar Mohammed [mailto:amohammed@...]
                    Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 1:24 PM
                    To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum


                    this solution would not provide internet access however,
                    if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b wireless network
                    running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..

                    they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s thoughput. if we get
                    enough people together who are willing to foot the cost .. it would be a
                    great idea..

                    Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would be marginally
                    cheaper.

                    Ansar

                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
                    > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
                    > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                    >
                    >
                    > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
                    >
                    > If you have more information on this let me know.
                    >
                    > Chris
                    >
                    > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
                    > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
                    > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US
                    > per node...
                    > > anybody intersted??
                    > >
                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
                    > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
                    > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                    > > >
                    > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
                    > > >
                    > > > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
                    > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
                    > competition in the
                    > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
                    > > >
                    > > > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are
                    > doing in the
                    > > > U.S.
                    > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
                    > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the nearest high
                    > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it
                    > -- we'd have
                    > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you
                    > look at it
                    > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
                    > > >
                    > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve the networks
                    > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
                    > potential returns
                    > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg problem. The brain
                    > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is poor. The IT
                    > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as the brain drain
                    > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and
                    > the economic
                    > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's brain drain.
                    > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
                    > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
                    > not worth what
                    > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1
                    > billion helps
                    > > > apparently.
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > --
                    > > > Adrian
                    > > >
                    > > >
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                    > --
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                  • John deering
                    ... don t look for any support from the non unc seats either, from the way the debate is going, the bill may have to go back to the drawing board.
                    Message 9 of 18 , Apr 4 8:22 PM
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                      >What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
                      >telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up competition in the
                      >telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.

                      don't look for any support from the non unc seats either, from the way the
                      debate is going, the bill may have to go back to the drawing board.
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                    • John deering
                      Is this the same 2.4ghz band that Borde is running spike on ? I heard they don t own the frequency they run on, they are supposedly using a free for all
                      Message 10 of 18 , Apr 4 8:26 PM
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                        Is this the same 2.4ghz band that Borde is running spike on ?
                        I heard they don't own the frequency they run on,
                        they are supposedly using a "free for all frequency"

                        Interestingly the ITAL/Zicom thing is running on 3.6ghz according to
                        their media releases, smack in the middle of satellite vsat.
                        Any vsat in line with their stuff is going to be in trouble or vice versa.
                        And there ARE a lot of vsats in port of spain, look at any
                        tall building.


                        >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                        >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                        >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                        >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                        >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:24:08 -0400
                        >
                        >this solution would not provide internet access however,
                        >if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b wireless network
                        >running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..
                        >
                        >they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s thoughput. if we get
                        >enough people together who are willing to foot the cost .. it would be a
                        >great idea..
                        >
                        >Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would be marginally
                        >cheaper.
                        >
                        >Ansar
                        >
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
                        > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
                        > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
                        > >
                        > > If you have more information on this let me know.
                        > >
                        > > Chris
                        > >
                        > > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
                        > > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
                        > > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US
                        > > per node...
                        > > > anybody intersted??
                        > > >
                        > > > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
                        > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
                        > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                        > > > >
                        > > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
                        > > > >
                        > > > > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
                        > > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
                        > > competition in the
                        > > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are
                        > > doing in the
                        > > > > U.S.
                        > > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
                        > > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the nearest high
                        > > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it
                        > > -- we'd have
                        > > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you
                        > > look at it
                        > > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve the networks
                        > > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
                        > > potential returns
                        > > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg problem. The brain
                        > > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is poor. The IT
                        > > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as the brain drain
                        > > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and
                        > > the economic
                        > > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's brain drain.
                        > > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
                        > > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
                        > > not worth what
                        > > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1
                        > > billion helps
                        > > > > apparently.
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                      • next@browwwsers.com
                        Here is an article from Spike which I read last week.........look familiar? http://www.spke.com/press/pr/tt_102300.html The two satellite options available to
                        Message 11 of 18 , Apr 5 6:30 AM
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                          Here is an article from Spike which I read last week.........look
                          familiar?

                          http://www.spke.com/press/pr/tt_102300.html

                          The two satellite options available to the public are OPus And
                          CariDirec at US 600.00 unlimited and still having to pay TT795.00 for
                          anlimited dial up this seems ridiculous.(TT$ 4575.00 per workstation
                          or I/P)

                          I was told by Peter Wimbourne that they get between 40-110Kbps
                          something we can do with 3 multi-linked modems and a linux box.(eh
                          Dunstan?). The cost would be $102.00(3 lines) + $795.00 = TT$897.00
                          (for a home user).


                          BTW The D-link (supports Linux - MAx connections somewhere between 15
                          and 254 - info not available)802.11 wireless system is cheaper and
                          costs US249 for the ap and US99 foor the pcmcia card and 119 for the
                          PCI card unfortunaely the range for these devices is only up to a
                          max of 1000ft ( D-link) and and 1500ft for the more esoteric models.

                          Hoew do you intend to implement broadband with this.

                          I can see ISP pirates marrying the 2 systems above (3 lines and
                          Wireless) and making some $$$ from the neighbours (hmmmmmmmm) but not
                          much else enlighten moi'.

                          allan
                        • Nigel Ayen
                          Adrain When I said we should adopt the Nike slogan and Just Do It! , I did not mean that we should go out and disregard the existing telecommunications
                          Message 12 of 18 , Apr 5 8:25 AM
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                            Adrain
                             
                            When I said we should adopt the Nike slogan and 'Just Do It!', I did not mean that we should go out and disregard the existing telecommunications regulations (?). What I was suggesting is that we, as professionals in the local industry, should be more vocal and become more involved in the decision making process.
                             
                            I am suggesting that we do things like attract more members to groups like TTLUG, ITPS, TTCS. Even form one body to represent all the players in the local telecommunications and IT industry. Lobby for a position at the Chamber of Commerce. Write to the newspapers, accept speaking engagements, etc. In other words, work as hard as the Minister is doing right now to get publicity for this issue. We have an advantage.....He is one person but there are many of us.
                             
                            Dictate to the Government where we should be. Someone said that the Minister is out of his league. That's true! He does not understand this business. However, it is our careers at stake here and we should have some say in the direction it's going to take.
                             
                            We talk about money and where it's going to come from. We need a paradigm shift in our thinking. We can no longer think local...we need to think global. Here's the deal. If our businesses are to compete globally we need the necessary telecommunications infrastructure. Dialup 28.8k from TSTT ain't gonna do it. We need broadband access to compete. And we need it cheaply. Our backward thinking CEO's may not want to invest in broadband now but that there are others who will. AT&T is ready to come in once the regulations allow them to. They see the bottom line.....money to be made! We just need to demonstrate that we are as talented as any professional coming out of India, Malaysia or the US. "Just Do It!"
                             
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                          • Ansar Mohammed
                            I don t think that Borde is using 2.4. I think they are using 3.x.... They would have to be crazy to use 2.4 ... http://www.hotmail.com. To unsubscribe from
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                              I don't think that Borde is using 2.4. I think they are using 3.x....
                              They would have to be crazy to use 2.4

                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
                              > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:27 PM
                              > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Is this the same 2.4ghz band that Borde is running spike on ?
                              > I heard they don't own the frequency they run on,
                              > they are supposedly using a "free for all frequency"
                              >
                              > Interestingly the ITAL/Zicom thing is running on 3.6ghz according to
                              > their media releases, smack in the middle of satellite vsat.
                              > Any vsat in line with their stuff is going to be in trouble
                              > or vice versa.
                              > And there ARE a lot of vsats in port of spain, look at any
                              > tall building.
                              >
                              >
                              > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                              > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                              > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                              > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                              > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:24:08 -0400
                              > >
                              > >this solution would not provide internet access however,
                              > >if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b
                              > wireless network
                              > >running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..
                              > >
                              > >they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s
                              > thoughput. if we get
                              > >enough people together who are willing to foot the cost ..
                              > it would be a
                              > >great idea..
                              > >
                              > >Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would
                              > be marginally
                              > >cheaper.
                              > >
                              > >Ansar
                              > >
                              > > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
                              > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
                              > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
                              > > >
                              > > > If you have more information on this let me know.
                              > > >
                              > > > Chris
                              > > >
                              > > > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
                              > > > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
                              > > > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US
                              > > > per node...
                              > > > > anybody intersted??
                              > > > >
                              > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                              > > > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
                              > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
                              > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
                              > > > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
                              > > > competition in the
                              > > > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are
                              > > > doing in the
                              > > > > > U.S.
                              > > > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
                              > > > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the
                              > nearest high
                              > > > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it
                              > > > -- we'd have
                              > > > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you
                              > > > look at it
                              > > > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve the networks
                              > > > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
                              > > > potential returns
                              > > > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg
                              > problem. The brain
                              > > > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is poor. The IT
                              > > > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as the brain drain
                              > > > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and
                              > > > the economic
                              > > > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's brain drain.
                              > > > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
                              > > > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
                              > > > not worth what
                              > > > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1
                              > > > billion helps
                              > > > > > apparently.
                              > > > > >
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                            • John deering
                              Ok, we are both in think that they are using/heard that... mode. So we are both unsure and running on heresay ...
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                                Ok, we are both in "think that they are using/heard that..." mode.
                                So we are both unsure and running on heresay


                                >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                                >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:20:55 -0400
                                >
                                >I don't think that Borde is using 2.4. I think they are using 3.x....
                                >They would have to be crazy to use 2.4
                                >
                                > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
                                > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:27 PM
                                > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Is this the same 2.4ghz band that Borde is running spike on ?
                                > > I heard they don't own the frequency they run on,
                                > > they are supposedly using a "free for all frequency"
                                > >
                                > > Interestingly the ITAL/Zicom thing is running on 3.6ghz according to
                                > > their media releases, smack in the middle of satellite vsat.
                                > > Any vsat in line with their stuff is going to be in trouble
                                > > or vice versa.
                                > > And there ARE a lot of vsats in port of spain, look at any
                                > > tall building.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                                > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                > > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:24:08 -0400
                                > > >
                                > > >this solution would not provide internet access however,
                                > > >if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b
                                > > wireless network
                                > > >running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..
                                > > >
                                > > >they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s
                                > > thoughput. if we get
                                > > >enough people together who are willing to foot the cost ..
                                > > it would be a
                                > > >great idea..
                                > > >
                                > > >Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would
                                > > be marginally
                                > > >cheaper.
                                > > >
                                > > >Ansar
                                > > >
                                > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
                                > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
                                > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > If you have more information on this let me know.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Chris
                                > > > >
                                > > > > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
                                > > > > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
                                > > > > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US
                                > > > > per node...
                                > > > > > anybody intersted??
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                > > > > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
                                > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
                                > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
                                > > > > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
                                > > > > competition in the
                                > > > > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are
                                > > > > doing in the
                                > > > > > > U.S.
                                > > > > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
                                > > > > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the
                                > > nearest high
                                > > > > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it
                                > > > > -- we'd have
                                > > > > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you
                                > > > > look at it
                                > > > > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve the networks
                                > > > > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
                                > > > > potential returns
                                > > > > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg
                                > > problem. The brain
                                > > > > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is poor. The IT
                                > > > > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as the brain drain
                                > > > > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and
                                > > > > the economic
                                > > > > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's brain drain.
                                > > > > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
                                > > > > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
                                > > > > not worth what
                                > > > > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1
                                > > > > billion helps
                                > > > > > > apparently.
                                > > > > > >
                                > > > > > >
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                              • John deering
                                If you think that deregulation/demonopolization etc will bring faster/cheaper internet access you may need to think again. The reality of Internet on an island
                                Message 15 of 18 , Apr 5 5:36 PM
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                                  If you think that deregulation/demonopolization etc will bring
                                  faster/cheaper internet access you may need to think again.

                                  The reality of Internet on an island is just that, you are on an island
                                  and the only way to a backbone internet(US etc) is either via fibre
                                  on Americas I/II up the ocean or via a satellite link.
                                  Fibres up the ocean are extremely scarce and costly on the whole so it aint
                                  gonna be cheap unless you are part of the consortium that laid
                                  the fibre and paid for the ships to do it(C&W/TSTT was part of it)

                                  If the market was demonopolized, the new players will not make internet
                                  a priority. The priority is voice, overseas voice to be exact as well
                                  as cellular since no new entrant is going to want to run copper.

                                  Satellite ain't exactly cheap either, a T1 will run about $20kUS monthly
                                  and the dish/electronics about $25k US. ISP's here are using satellite
                                  already.

                                  How many broadband connections can a T1 support realistically ?
                                  1.5/.128 = 11 128k links, 128k aint even considered broadband anyways.

                                  Who gonna supply broadband service on this island ?

                                  Do you know the cost of DSL equipment ?
                                  Do you know the cost of Cable equipment ?
                                  Do you know the cost of Wireless equipment ?

                                  A non TSTT competitor is wont be able to use TSTT's copper, so it wont be
                                  dsl.
                                  We talking in millions here. No business putting out millions in
                                  hard cash nowadays, so its gonna be bank financed and the banks gonna
                                  want to see a hard profit line which equals no giveaways.

                                  I would suggest to all that they go search on the internet for the cost
                                  of satellite connections from the various big players(interpacket) to get an
                                  idea
                                  and to also go on ebay and look for the cost of internet equipment/routers
                                  etc.

                                  We may not like the fact that the cable company raised rates, but they
                                  did indeed replace all the copper backbone with a fibre backbone and that
                                  probably cost in 7 or 8 digits. Somebody has to pay for it and somebody
                                  is running it as a business and not a charity.

                                  We can lobby to break the monopoly, but after a new business moves in
                                  and has to put out big recurring money, do you think they will be giving it
                                  away ? A cost conscious CEO is not neccessarily a backwards thinking CEO,
                                  its just the reality of living on an island with an economy which
                                  does not run in US dollars.

                                  What we need is for TSTT to stop trying to be the sole competitor in the
                                  internet space and just wholesale the big bandwidth it can get on the fibre
                                  to local isp's at wholesale prices instead of double what it sells to nonisp
                                  customers(check their webpage for reseller charges)
                                  This way we can have a proper distribution of the product instead of
                                  an inflated price which chokes the trickle down effect.


                                  >From: "Nigel Ayen" <markayen@...>
                                  >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                  >To: "T&T Linux Users Group" <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                  >Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                  >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:25:10 -0500
                                  >
                                  >Adrain
                                  >
                                  >When I said we should adopt the Nike slogan and 'Just Do It!', I did not
                                  >mean that we should go out and disregard the existing telecommunications
                                  >regulations (?). What I was suggesting is that we, as professionals in the
                                  >local industry, should be more vocal and become more involved in the
                                  >decision making process.
                                  >
                                  >I am suggesting that we do things like attract more members to groups like
                                  >TTLUG, ITPS, TTCS. Even form one body to represent all the players in the
                                  >local telecommunications and IT industry. Lobby for a position at the
                                  >Chamber of Commerce. Write to the newspapers, accept speaking engagements,
                                  >etc. In other words, work as hard as the Minister is doing right now to get
                                  >publicity for this issue. We have an advantage.....He is one person but
                                  >there are many of us.
                                  >
                                  >Dictate to the Government where we should be. Someone said that the
                                  >Minister is out of his league. That's true! He does not understand this
                                  >business. However, it is our careers at stake here and we should have some
                                  >say in the direction it's going to take.
                                  >
                                  >We talk about money and where it's going to come from. We need a paradigm
                                  >shift in our thinking. We can no longer think local...we need to think
                                  >global. Here's the deal. If our businesses are to compete globally we need
                                  >the necessary telecommunications infrastructure. Dialup 28.8k from TSTT
                                  >ain't gonna do it. We need broadband access to compete. And we need it
                                  >cheaply. Our backward thinking CEO's may not want to invest in broadband
                                  >now but that there are others who will. AT&T is ready to come in once the
                                  >regulations allow them to. They see the bottom line.....money to be made!
                                  >We just need to demonstrate that we are as talented as any professional
                                  >coming out of India, Malaysia or the US. "Just Do It!"
                                  >
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                                • Ansar Mohammed
                                  John, I did some research on this. the frequecy is 2.4 Ghz. But they assured me that their power output would reduce the possibilty and impact of interference.
                                  Message 16 of 18 , Apr 9 7:26 AM
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                                    John,
                                    I did some research on this. the frequecy is 2.4 Ghz. But they assured me
                                    that their power output would reduce the possibilty and impact of
                                    interference.

                                    Ansar



                                    > -----Original Message-----
                                    > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
                                    > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:03 PM
                                    > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Ok, we are both in "think that they are using/heard that..." mode.
                                    > So we are both unsure and running on heresay
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                                    > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                    > >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:20:55 -0400
                                    > >
                                    > >I don't think that Borde is using 2.4. I think they are using 3.x....
                                    > >They would have to be crazy to use 2.4
                                    > >
                                    > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
                                    > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:27 PM
                                    > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Is this the same 2.4ghz band that Borde is running spike on ?
                                    > > > I heard they don't own the frequency they run on,
                                    > > > they are supposedly using a "free for all frequency"
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Interestingly the ITAL/Zicom thing is running on 3.6ghz
                                    > according to
                                    > > > their media releases, smack in the middle of satellite vsat.
                                    > > > Any vsat in line with their stuff is going to be in trouble
                                    > > > or vice versa.
                                    > > > And there ARE a lot of vsats in port of spain, look at any
                                    > > > tall building.
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                                    > > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                    > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:24:08 -0400
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >this solution would not provide internet access however,
                                    > > > >if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b
                                    > > > wireless network
                                    > > > >running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s
                                    > > > thoughput. if we get
                                    > > > >enough people together who are willing to foot the cost ..
                                    > > > it would be a
                                    > > > >great idea..
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would
                                    > > > be marginally
                                    > > > >cheaper.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >Ansar
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > > > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
                                    > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
                                    > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > If you have more information on this let me know.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Chris
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
                                    > > > > > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
                                    > > > > > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US
                                    > > > > > per node...
                                    > > > > > > anybody intersted??
                                    > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > > > > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
                                    > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
                                    > > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
                                    > > > > > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
                                    > > > > > competition in the
                                    > > > > > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are
                                    > > > > > doing in the
                                    > > > > > > > U.S.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
                                    > > > > > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the
                                    > > > nearest high
                                    > > > > > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it
                                    > > > > > -- we'd have
                                    > > > > > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you
                                    > > > > > look at it
                                    > > > > > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve
                                    > the networks
                                    > > > > > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
                                    > > > > > potential returns
                                    > > > > > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg
                                    > > > problem. The brain
                                    > > > > > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is
                                    > poor. The IT
                                    > > > > > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as
                                    > the brain drain
                                    > > > > > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and
                                    > > > > > the economic
                                    > > > > > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's
                                    > brain drain.
                                    > > > > > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
                                    > > > > > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
                                    > > > > > not worth what
                                    > > > > > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1
                                    > > > > > billion helps
                                    > > > > > > > apparently.
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > >
                                    > > > > > > > --
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                                  • John deering
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                                      Is this a Borde fully owned/licensed freq ?

                                      >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                                      >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                      >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                      >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                      >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:26:06 -0400
                                      >
                                      >John,
                                      >I did some research on this. the frequecy is 2.4 Ghz. But they assured me
                                      >that their power output would reduce the possibilty and impact of
                                      >interference.
                                      >
                                      >Ansar
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
                                      > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:03 PM
                                      > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Ok, we are both in "think that they are using/heard that..." mode.
                                      > > So we are both unsure and running on heresay
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                                      > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                      > > >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:20:55 -0400
                                      > > >
                                      > > >I don't think that Borde is using 2.4. I think they are using 3.x....
                                      > > >They would have to be crazy to use 2.4
                                      > > >
                                      > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
                                      > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:27 PM
                                      > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Is this the same 2.4ghz band that Borde is running spike on ?
                                      > > > > I heard they don't own the frequency they run on,
                                      > > > > they are supposedly using a "free for all frequency"
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Interestingly the ITAL/Zicom thing is running on 3.6ghz
                                      > > according to
                                      > > > > their media releases, smack in the middle of satellite vsat.
                                      > > > > Any vsat in line with their stuff is going to be in trouble
                                      > > > > or vice versa.
                                      > > > > And there ARE a lot of vsats in port of spain, look at any
                                      > > > > tall building.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                                      > > > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > > > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                      > > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:24:08 -0400
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >this solution would not provide internet access however,
                                      > > > > >if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b
                                      > > > > wireless network
                                      > > > > >running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s
                                      > > > > thoughput. if we get
                                      > > > > >enough people together who are willing to foot the cost ..
                                      > > > > it would be a
                                      > > > > >great idea..
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would
                                      > > > > be marginally
                                      > > > > >cheaper.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >Ansar
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > > > > > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
                                      > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
                                      > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > If you have more information on this let me know.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > Chris
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
                                      > > > > > > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
                                      > > > > > > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more than $1500US
                                      > > > > > > per node...
                                      > > > > > > > anybody intersted??
                                      > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                      > > > > > > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
                                      > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
                                      > > > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > > > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > What do you want us to do without breaking all manner of
                                      > > > > > > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
                                      > > > > > > competition in the
                                      > > > > > > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the gevernment.
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > We could make our own community LAN like the hackers are
                                      > > > > > > doing in the
                                      > > > > > > > > U.S.
                                      > > > > > >
                                      > > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
                                      > > > > > > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the
                                      > > > > nearest high
                                      > > > > > > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't gonna cut it
                                      > > > > > > -- we'd have
                                      > > > > > > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre. Anyway you
                                      > > > > > > look at it
                                      > > > > > > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve
                                      > > the networks
                                      > > > > > > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
                                      > > > > > > potential returns
                                      > > > > > > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg
                                      > > > > problem. The brain
                                      > > > > > > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is
                                      > > poor. The IT
                                      > > > > > > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as
                                      > > the brain drain
                                      > > > > > > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US immigration law and
                                      > > > > > > the economic
                                      > > > > > > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's
                                      > > brain drain.
                                      > > > > > > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
                                      > > > > > > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
                                      > > > > > > not worth what
                                      > > > > > > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a population of 1
                                      > > > > > > billion helps
                                      > > > > > > > > apparently.
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > >
                                      > > > > > > > > --
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                                    • Ansar Mohammed
                                      No, they just have permission to use it from the Board Of telecom from what I gather. They said that if push came to shove, they would have no problem in a
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                                        No, they just have permission to use it from the Board Of telecom from what
                                        I gather.
                                        They said that if push came to shove, they would have no problem in a
                                        re-claibration to another freq.





                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                        > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
                                        > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:45 PM
                                        > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Is this a Borde fully owned/licensed freq ?
                                        >
                                        > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                                        > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                        > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                        > >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:26:06 -0400
                                        > >
                                        > >John,
                                        > >I did some research on this. the frequecy is 2.4 Ghz. But
                                        > they assured me
                                        > >that their power output would reduce the possibilty and impact of
                                        > >interference.
                                        > >
                                        > >Ansar
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > -----Original Message-----
                                        > > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
                                        > > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:03 PM
                                        > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Ok, we are both in "think that they are using/heard that..." mode.
                                        > > > So we are both unsure and running on heresay
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                                        > > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                        > > > >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:20:55 -0400
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >I don't think that Borde is using 2.4. I think they are
                                        > using 3.x....
                                        > > > >They would have to be crazy to use 2.4
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                        > > > > > From: John deering [mailto:nsi911@...]
                                        > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:27 PM
                                        > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Is this the same 2.4ghz band that Borde is running spike on ?
                                        > > > > > I heard they don't own the frequency they run on,
                                        > > > > > they are supposedly using a "free for all frequency"
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Interestingly the ITAL/Zicom thing is running on 3.6ghz
                                        > > > according to
                                        > > > > > their media releases, smack in the middle of satellite vsat.
                                        > > > > > Any vsat in line with their stuff is going to be in trouble
                                        > > > > > or vice versa.
                                        > > > > > And there ARE a lot of vsats in port of spain, look at any
                                        > > > > > tall building.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >From: "Ansar Mohammed" <amohammed@...>
                                        > > > > > >Reply-To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > >To: <TTLUG@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > > > > >Subject: RE: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                        > > > > > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:24:08 -0400
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >this solution would not provide internet access however,
                                        > > > > > >if we get enough people together, we can create an 802.11b
                                        > > > > > wireless network
                                        > > > > > >running off 2.4Ghz using Cisco aironet wireless bridges..
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >they cost typically $1500 US and will provice 11Mb/s
                                        > > > > > thoughput. if we get
                                        > > > > > >enough people together who are willing to foot the cost ..
                                        > > > > > it would be a
                                        > > > > > >great idea..
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >Also there are other devices though not as fast (115k) would
                                        > > > > > be marginally
                                        > > > > > >cheaper.
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > >Ansar
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                        > > > > > > > From: Christien Bunting [mailto:mailinglists@...]
                                        > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:08 PM
                                        > > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > Sure. Cause we do need some mirrors down here.
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > If you have more information on this let me know.
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > Chris
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > On Wednesday 04 Apr 2001 11:26 am, you wrote:
                                        > > > > > > > > We CAN build out own wierless network in Trinidad...
                                        > > > > > > > > running off the 2.4 Ghz band costing no more
                                        > than $1500US
                                        > > > > > > > per node...
                                        > > > > > > > > anybody intersted??
                                        > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                                        > > > > > > > > > From: Adrian J. Chung [mailto:ajchung@...]
                                        > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:02 AM
                                        > > > > > > > > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TTLUG] RE: The "Public" Forum
                                        > > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > > > > We need to adopt the Nike slogan...."Just do it!"
                                        > > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > > > What do you want us to do without breaking
                                        > all manner of
                                        > > > > > > > > > telecommunications regulations? We cannot open up
                                        > > > > > > > competition in the
                                        > > > > > > > > > telecoms without some serious lobbying of the
                                        > gevernment.
                                        > > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > > > We could make our own community LAN like the
                                        > hackers are
                                        > > > > > > > doing in the
                                        > > > > > > > > > U.S.
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > > > (http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/12/01/wireless_ethernet/)
                                        > > > > > > > > > but we live on an island and to bridge the gap to the
                                        > > > > > nearest high
                                        > > > > > > > > > bandwidth access point, WiFi (802.11b) ain't
                                        > gonna cut it
                                        > > > > > > > -- we'd have
                                        > > > > > > > > > to lease satellite service or lay down fibre.
                                        > Anyway you
                                        > > > > > > > look at it
                                        > > > > > > > > > you cannot bypass the monopoly without a lot of $$$.
                                        > > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > > > One might entice the government/TSTT to improve
                                        > > > the networks
                                        > > > > > > > > > themselves but we lack the talent pool to make the
                                        > > > > > > > potential returns
                                        > > > > > > > > > worth the investment. It's a chicken and egg
                                        > > > > > problem. The brain
                                        > > > > > > > > > drain will not reverse if IT infrastructure is
                                        > > > poor. The IT
                                        > > > > > > > > > infrastructure will remain poor for as long as
                                        > > > the brain drain
                                        > > > > > > > > > continues. Thanks to failings in US
                                        > immigration law and
                                        > > > > > > > the economic
                                        > > > > > > > > > downturn, there is a reverse pressure on India's
                                        > > > brain drain.
                                        > > > > > > > > > (http://www.isn.org/news/20010402134812.html)
                                        > > > > > > > > > Many Indians must now be thinking working in the US is
                                        > > > > > > > not worth what
                                        > > > > > > > > > they'd be giving up in India. Having a
                                        > population of 1
                                        > > > > > > > billion helps
                                        > > > > > > > > > apparently.
                                        > > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > > >
                                        > > > > > > > > > --
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