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  • Vlade
    posting when drunk and forgetting spell check .. joy
    Message 1 of 8 , Jul 24 1:02 AM
      posting when drunk and forgetting spell check .. joy

      Vlade wrote:
      > it means your happy just settelign iwht whatever is around you nad your
      > not willing or even considering what more there is or you can be/do..
      > Hassan Voyeau wrote:
      > >
      > > "To be pleased with one's limits is a wretched state."
      > >
      > > and how is that so? Could you please explain.
      > >
      > > On 7/16/07, Deosaran Bisnath <deobisnath@...
      > <mailto:deobisnath%40yahoo.com>
      > > <mailto:deobisnath%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hi all:
      > > > I need to buy one locally, for use now. Recommendations? Where?
      > > >
      > > > Thanks,
      > > >
      > > > Deosaran
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > To be pleased with one's limits is a wretched state.
      > > > Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ---------------------------------
      > > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your
      > story.
      > > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.
      > > >
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > >
      > >
    • Richard Jobity
      I just saw this article, actually. I m tempted to say Not in the same way as before . In the old days, we needed a community that needed to pool knowledge
      Message 2 of 8 , Jul 24 12:10 PM
        I just saw this article, actually.

        I'm tempted to say "Not in the same way as before".

        In the old days, we needed a community that needed to pool knowledge together to make things work properly. While you still hear people complain about things not working, that (to most people) is simply not true anymore. Linux installs just work, in most cases, and give you a better OOBE than most any other OS.

        There are still huge Linux communities out there, but they focus on different things than the old-style LUGs did.

        It's a dilemna that is faced by any special interest group these days. Don't know what the answer is.


        From: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TTLUG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Panchoo
        Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 10:56 AM
        To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [TTLUG] Do we still need LUGs?

        Originally Posted on Linux.com
        http://www.linux.com/feature/118046 <http://www.linux.com/feature/118046>

        Do we still need LUGs?
        By Tina Gasperson on July 18, 2007 (9:00:00 PM)

        In the world of Linux, many things have changed in the last decade. The
        operating system itself has grown up, and is no longer an "upstart." But
        one mainstay of the Linux community, the Linux user group (LUG), appears
        to be on the decline in some areas. Attendance is down, LUG presidents
        say, and some groups have stopped meeting. Does this mean we don't need
        LUGs anymore?

        The faithful are more inclined to think that the function of the LUG is
        changing from that of an incubator for Linux newbies to a social
        gathering for like minds. Others say that even though fewer people
        attend LUG meetings, it doesn't change the fact that the LUG is an
        indispensable help in an environment where traditional support is often
        hard to come by.

        A few years ago, LUGs enjoyed a heady heyday. If you were lucky enough
        to have a LUG close enough to drive to, you probably attended meetings
        regularly. Enthusiasm, both for Linux and the ideals for which it
        stands, drove an agenda full of exciting presentations, nights dedicated
        to getting a new distribution installed on your desktop, and lots of
        free stuff from companies like Red Hat, Corel, and SUSE, who wanted us
        to catch the fever.

        Today, many LUGs have seen a slowdown in attendance, and some Linux
        events typically sponsored by local user groups have ceased to exist,
        such as the Atlanta Linux Showcase (ALS). Chris Farris, one of the
        founders of ALS and a sponsor of the Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts group,
        says the quality of ALE has dropped "since the dot-com-bust period of
        2001-2003. For me, part of the drop-off had to do with shutting down
        ALS, which was a driver for a lot of my participation in the Linux
        community." Farris says that ALE has split into three groups to help
        members avoid Atlanta traffic jams: Central, Northeast, and Northwest.
        "Northwest has been on and off," he says. "Northeast has a small group
        of people who attend -- under 10. Central still gets decent turnout, but
        nothing like we saw back in 1995-1998 at Georgia Tech, where we could
        fill a 100-person room."

        Brad Spry, the contact person for the UNC Charlotte Linux Users Group,
        says attendance at that LUG is down, "but the reasons are not cut and
        dry." He says that because the LUG is university-based, it's hard to
        find a meeting time that works. Because of that, Spry says the most
        valuable asset for his group is the listserv. "Email isn't burdened by
        time. People can participate whenever they have a chance. It's a busy

        Vernard Martin of ALE agrees. "While [ALE] has broken into several
        groups, the overall mailing list hasn't fragmented yet, and has many
        more people subscribed than actually attend all the meetings combined."
        He says that the communication that mailing lists provide shows that the
        LUGs still are "quite useful."

        The Suncoast Area Linux User Group (SLUG), based in the Tampa Bay area
        of Florida, had splinter groups in at least three different counties in
        busier days. Now, SLUG is contracting. President Paul Foster says, "This
        isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't know that you have to repair LUGs
        because their attendance is down. Times change, the market changes,
        conditions change." But Foster doesn't agree that attendees aren't
        willing to drive miles to a meeting. "Gas isn't that expensive yet," he
        says. "If people don't come, then there's obviously nothing compelling
        enough to get them there.

        "The height of SLUG was the Tampa meetings at Price Waterhouse Cooper
        [office building]. We had a large room, fast Internet access, and power
        at each table. Lots of tech talk, lots of questions answered. We had
        35-40 per meeting." When the group could no longer provide Internet
        access and power outlets, meeting attendance dropped, Foster says. "We
        dropped down to maybe 20, and I don't know what it is now.

        "I've lost a lot of my enthusiasm for Linux," Foster says. "Here's what
        I mean by that: when I first got involved, I was stoked. Windows sucked,
        and here was something I could tinker with. I could write programs with
        the free compiler, and everything was fairly transparent. At that time,
        Linux was not exactly the easiest thing to figure out, though. Installs
        required a lot of information I didn't know and didn't have to supply to
        Windows. Fast forward 10 years -- I still use Linux almost exclusively
        and with no regrets. But now, I know most of what I need to know to do
        anything I need to do. Installs don't require me to know much, the
        software mostly figures out my hardware. I love Linux. I'm just not
        excited about it. It's like buying a new car. It's cool-looking. It
        smells like a new car. A few months go by. You still like your car. But
        it's now just your car. It's what gets you from point A to point B. You
        don't think much about it."

        Social networking

        Foster says the conversation at LUG meetings doesn't focus heavily on
        Linux anymore. "In general, the discussion ranges from home remodeling
        to wives, to Verizon and other evil corporations. I make sure we touch
        on Linux at least once a meeting, but that discussion usually lasts for
        about 10 minutes. The guys who come are not newbies. They are
        engineering types or networking types who work with computers daily. We
        don't do presentations, but welcome anyone who wants to bring a box and
        have us hack away at it."

        For some long-time Linux people, a social gathering is the ideal
        scenario. "LUGs provide other things that don't get obsolete, notably a
        social context," says Chris Browne, a "troublemaker/shooter" for the
        GTALUG in Toronto. "To hobbyists or enthusiasts, much of the point is to
        get together with other enthusiasts. The point is to meet socially with
        a group of like-minded people."

        SLUG member Dylan Hardison says his sole interest in LUGs "has always
        been social. I don't think presentations, the promise of new knowledge,
        or free stuff has ever been a consideration. All of my geographically
        close friends I have met via SLUG. I also met my fianc&eacture;e at a
        meeting. Pretty much every job I've ever had has been somehow related to
        SLUG or someone I've met through SLUG."

        Jeff Waugh, a member of the Sydney, Australia, SLUG, agrees that the
        social aspect is valuable. "[It] is still important to the organic,
        high-value growth of the userbase, mingling of ideas, and opportunity
        for business connections." It's possible that the "social LUG thing"
        ends up being the default mode once all the excitement has died down.

        "Our LUG doesn't do a whole lot," says longtime Tampa SLUG member
        Russell Hires. "We don't really have a cool Web site. We don't have
        presentations that often, that I'm aware of. I did one or two myself,
        but I admit I didn't do a great job. We've done a few things in the
        past, but nothing really lately. We seem to have expertise, but no one
        with energy and experience and ability invests a whole lot in our LUG. I
        feel like we all wait for someone else to do something."

        Spry says he's trying to spur more interest. "One trial balloon I
        floated recently was a merger between Linux and Mac user groups. I feel
        they have a lot in common now, and would be a stronger group together.
        Both groups seemed to warm to the idea, but it has gone nowhere. Apathy
        reigns supreme. It seems as if advocacy has become cliché."

        Some see the decline in interest as more of a shift in focus from the
        operating system to the applications that run on it -- "showing
        applications, showing concepts, planting the seed of an idea for what
        someone who has just recently installed Linux can do," says Gareth
        Greenaway, president of Simi Conejo Linux Users Group. Greenaway says
        the Simi LUG has seen lower numbers over the last several years, "mostly
        due to the lack of interesting topics at the meetings." Farris says that
        ALE's topics have "almost always been about an application that runs on
        Linux: Asterisk, MythTV, dosemu, Exchange replacements, TiVo."

        "I've never seen a LUG that was kernel-centric, they were always
        application centric," says Terry Collins, a computer hardware consultant
        based in Australia.

        Whatever LUGs are for, and wherever they are headed, no one really wants
        them to go away. "We still need LUGs," Farris says. "They provide a
        place for professionals, students, and hobbyists to meet, discuss and

        Foster sums it up. "You've got a group of people who are generally
        extraordinary. They're fairly knowledgeable about a pretty technical
        field. They're generally courteous and good-humored and willing to help,
        for free. While we don't all attend barbecues at each other's houses,
        and we may not agree on politics or religion, we still can count on each
        other more or less as friends. That's not a bad reason to have a group
        Tina Gasperson writes about business and technology for some of the most
        respected publications in the industry. She's been freelancing since 1998.

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