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  • Taran Rampersad
    Page 25. Bottom Left. MIS Assistant Support Professional. Check the systems... Taran
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      Page 25.

      Bottom Left.

      MIS Assistant Support Professional.

      Check the systems...

      Taran
    • Allan Samaroo
      For the benefit of those who don t buy the Express, what systems do they list?
      Message 2 of 12 , Jan 3, 2004
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        For the benefit of those who don't buy the Express, what systems do they
        list?


        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Taran Rampersad [mailto:cnd@...]
        > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:02 PM
        > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: [TTLUG] January 3, 2004 Express.
        >
        >
        > Page 25.
        >
        > Bottom Left.
        >
        > MIS Assistant Support Professional.
        >
        > Check the systems...
        >
        > Taran
        >
      • Taran Rampersad
        I don t buy the Express either. But it was dropped into my hands by a little bird... SCO Unix and SQL... Last I checked, SQL isn t a system, but... hey... ...
        Message 3 of 12 , Jan 3, 2004
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          I don't buy the Express either. But it was dropped into my hands by a
          little bird...

          SCO Unix and SQL... Last I checked, SQL isn't a system, but... hey...

          :)

          It's Prestige Holdings - Pizza Hut, KFC, and TGIF. Interesting things
          which they would like people with (ideally):

          MCSE (Win2k), A+, knowledge of SCO and SQL, driver's license, 3+ years
          experience... job is to support all the POS terminals and so on. Not
          bad, really, I expect that they would pay well, but getting people with
          those quals would be difficult due to the diversity. 24 hours on call is
          good for someone starting out, I guess...

          If anyone wants to apply and didn't get the Express, here's where you
          send your detailed resume:

          Vacancy: MIS Assistant
          Human Resources Manager
          Prestige Holdings Limited
          47-49 Sackville Street
          Port of Spain

          Deadline is Friday, 16th January 2004.

          I imagine that they may be tied into SCO Unix from the US companies, so
          upgrading to GNU/Linux is probably not something to mention in an
          interview. ;)

          Taran


          Allan Samaroo wrote:

          > For the benefit of those who don't buy the Express, what systems do they
          > list?
          >
          >
          > > -----Original Message-----
          > > From: Taran Rampersad [mailto:cnd@...]
          > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 2:02 PM
          > > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
          > > Subject: [TTLUG] January 3, 2004 Express.
          > >
          > >
          > > Page 25.
          > >
          > > Bottom Left.
          > >
          > > MIS Assistant Support Professional.
          > >
          > > Check the systems...
          > >
          > > Taran
          > >
          >
          >
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        • Richard Jobity
          ... Prestige Holdings and SCO = Marriage made in heaven. Then again, somebody has to have a POS OS, and I can t think of anyone better than SCO to have that
          Message 4 of 12 , Jan 3, 2004
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            Taran Rampersad wrote:
            > I don't buy the Express either. But it was dropped into my hands by a
            > little bird...
            >
            > SCO Unix and SQL... Last I checked, SQL isn't a system, but... hey...
            >
            > :)
            >
            > It's Prestige Holdings - Pizza Hut, KFC, and TGIF. Interesting things
            > which they would like people with (ideally):
            >
            > MCSE (Win2k), A+, knowledge of SCO and SQL, driver's license, 3+ years
            > experience... job is to support all the POS terminals and so on. Not
            > bad, really, I expect that they would pay well, but getting people with
            > those quals would be difficult due to the diversity. 24 hours on call is
            > good for someone starting out, I guess...
            >
            > If anyone wants to apply and didn't get the Express, here's where you
            > send your detailed resume:
            >
            > Vacancy: MIS Assistant
            > Human Resources Manager
            > Prestige Holdings Limited
            > 47-49 Sackville Street
            > Port of Spain
            >
            > Deadline is Friday, 16th January 2004.
            >
            > I imagine that they may be tied into SCO Unix from the US companies, so
            > upgrading to GNU/Linux is probably not something to mention in an
            > interview. ;)
            >
            > Taran
            >

            Prestige Holdings and SCO = Marriage made in heaven. Then again,
            somebody has to have a POS OS, and I can't think of anyone better than
            SCO to have that distinction.

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          • Allan Samaroo
            I ve seen vacancy ads with more requirements than that........i once saw one asking for C, C++ C#, HTML, Perl, fortran, Pascal, CSS, Visual Basic, TCP/IP,
            Message 5 of 12 , Jan 4, 2004
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              I've seen vacancy ads with more requirements than that........i once saw one
              asking for C, C++ C#, HTML, Perl, fortran, Pascal, CSS, Visual Basic,
              TCP/IP, UNIX, Windows, AS/400, SQL, Cobol........i couldn't help but wonder
              if the person doing the ad just wrote a bunch of things from sites like
              WhatIs.com or About.com........

              But those requirements in the ad you posted are not diverse as you put
              it...........MCSE and A+ are standard qualifications for those in system
              administration..........all companies use databases so it's easy for an
              admin person to pick up a working knowledge of SQL.........with the SCO once
              you know some UNIX you more or less could find your way and in any event the
              3+ years experience would ensure that the candidate is familiar with the
              overall job.......

              But I was interested to see that the job title is "MIS
              Assistant"........what exactly is an MIS Assistant????? The job sounds as
              if it's system administration.......and speaking of which, there have been
              ads for the position of Information Systems Specialist in the government,
              which is nothing more that system administration (that from a former
              ISS)..........now, ISS sounds more impressive than
              sysadmin/netadmin...........more professional/managerial.......

              Is it becoming a trend nowadays to use more "posh" titles???

              Allan.



              > -----Original Message-----
              > From: Taran Rampersad [mailto:cnd@...]

              > MCSE (Win2k), A+, knowledge of SCO and SQL, driver's license,
              > 3+ years
              > experience... job is to support all the POS terminals and so on. Not
              > bad, really, I expect that they would pay well, but getting
              > people with
              > those quals would be difficult due to the diversity. 24 hours
              > on call is
              > good for someone starting out, I guess...
              >
            • Vlade
              POsh titles... posibly... but in the end ....its the take home $$$ that really matter. One guy being the System Administrator and another being the
              Message 6 of 12 , Jan 4, 2004
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                "POsh" titles... posibly...

                but in the end ....its the take home $$$ that really matter. One guy
                being the System Administrator and another being the Industrial
                Technical Supervisor of Data Systems. 2 titles ...second one sounds way
                more impressive.... system admistrator making $ 20k and the other $11 k....

                I rather be called the repair guy and make $30k.

                Titles dont mean a thing. Cash talks. more cash...louder it talks.

                ......next post something off topic but indirectly damn important ........

                Allan Samaroo wrote:

                > I've seen vacancy ads with more requirements than that........i once
                > saw one
                > asking for C, C++ C#, HTML, Perl, fortran, Pascal, CSS, Visual Basic,
                > TCP/IP, UNIX, Windows, AS/400, SQL, Cobol........i couldn't help but
                > wonder
                > if the person doing the ad just wrote a bunch of things from sites like
                > WhatIs.com or About.com........
                >
                > But those requirements in the ad you posted are not diverse as you put
                > it...........MCSE and A+ are standard qualifications for those in system
                > administration..........all companies use databases so it's easy for an
                > admin person to pick up a working knowledge of SQL.........with the
                > SCO once
                > you know some UNIX you more or less could find your way and in any
                > event the
                > 3+ years experience would ensure that the candidate is familiar with the
                > overall job.......
                >
                > But I was interested to see that the job title is "MIS
                > Assistant"........what exactly is an MIS Assistant????? The job sounds as
                > if it's system administration.......and speaking of which, there have been
                > ads for the position of Information Systems Specialist in the government,
                > which is nothing more that system administration (that from a former
                > ISS)..........now, ISS sounds more impressive than
                > sysadmin/netadmin...........more professional/managerial.......
                >
                > Is it becoming a trend nowadays to use more "posh" titles???
                >
                > Allan.
                >
                >
                >
                > > -----Original Message-----
                > > From: Taran Rampersad [mailto:cnd@...]
                >
                > > MCSE (Win2k), A+, knowledge of SCO and SQL, driver's license,
                > > 3+ years
                > > experience... job is to support all the POS terminals and so on. Not
                > > bad, really, I expect that they would pay well, but getting
                > > people with
                > > those quals would be difficult due to the diversity. 24 hours
                > > on call is
                > > good for someone starting out, I guess...
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • Allan Samaroo
                ... Huh???
                Message 7 of 12 , Jan 4, 2004
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                  > ......next post something off topic but indirectly damn
                  > important ........
                  >

                  Huh???
                • Vlade
                  something i am thinking about ..... Was debating when and IF i should throw it out on the list..... I think you thought i ment i didnet think what you were
                  Message 8 of 12 , Jan 4, 2004
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                    something i am thinking about ..... Was debating when and IF i should
                    throw it out on the list..... I think you thought i ment i didnet think
                    what you were talking aobut was important...,my apoligies...

                    Once I figure out HOW to say it, I'll post....
                  • Allan Samaroo
                    ... You need to define use Unix ...........i define it as those who use it as part of their job..........that said, I wouldn t say Unix people are
                    Message 9 of 12 , Jan 4, 2004
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                      > Point is - people who use Unix in Trinidad and Tobago are
                      > fairly rare.
                      > They exist, but... and if they do have the Unix experience, odds are
                      > good that they wouldn't have an MCSE. Truth be told, an MCSE doesn't
                      > really stand for much without the experience you're supposed to have
                      > before you take it. And the A+... geez. Plus if they don't
                      > have the new
                      > cert (Nov 23 or better, I think), then they're not current. And this
                      > year the BTX mobos are supposed to come out, so expect a new A+.
                      >

                      You need to define "use Unix"...........i define it as those who use it as
                      part of their job..........that said, I wouldn't say Unix people are
                      rare........all the the banks use unix and they have fairly large IT depts,
                      especially RBTT, RBL, SBTT......i know people in the IT depts of all those
                      banks so from feedback, that's at least 100 people using Unix every day (not
                      counting those there for desktop support, at least another 100 or so) in
                      just those banks alone...........we still have to consider other large
                      companies like the insurance companies (i'm hoping they're running oracle on
                      some type of unix), etc.........i'd just say the unix people are just not in
                      the usual places (eg local mailing lists, etc)....

                      And you're right, most wouldn't have MCSE unless it's a job
                      requirement........

                      BTX mobos this year!!! Great news..........that should mean more people can
                      afford ATX this year.

                      >
                      > Strange you should mention that. I heard from one freshly
                      > graduated UWI
                      > student with a CompSci degree... a real important sounding title -
                      > 'Systems Engineer' or something - making $3500 TT/month...

                      That person is either still under probation or that's a fresh job with under
                      a year experience........3500 is the average starting salary in IT if you're
                      in a service company........programming pays a little higher......of course
                      the salary scale tips favourably in the oil sector.

                      > This person
                      > 'happy so', so... why mess with it... but it's interesting to see how
                      > many people grasp at a title instead of the salary.

                      I'm not so sure it's the title insomuch as having a job.......give that
                      person a higher paying job with a less flashy title like "IT Technician" and
                      I'm sure he/she will take it.......

                      > My answer when offered more responsibility for the same money and a
                      > cushy title? "Hit me in the wallet".

                      Correct is right.
                    • Allan Samaroo
                      Breds just say it.........we ll decipher the tone later on!!! ;-)))
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                        Breds just say it.........we'll decipher the tone later on!!! ;-)))



                        > -----Original Message-----
                        > From: Vlade [mailto:blacknwhite@...]
                        > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 10:55 PM
                        > To: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com
                        > Subject: Re: [TTLUG] January 3, 2004 Express.
                        >
                        >
                        > something i am thinking about ..... Was debating when and IF i should
                        > throw it out on the list..... I think you thought i ment i
                        > didnet think
                        > what you were talking aobut was important...,my apoligies...
                        >
                        > Once I figure out HOW to say it, I'll post....
                      • Taran Rampersad
                        ... Heh, good point. It was the SQL that started me up, followed by SCO Unix and MCSE. :) ... Right, but from what I understand present UWI graduates get maybe
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                          Allan Samaroo wrote:

                          > I've seen vacancy ads with more requirements than that........i once
                          > saw one
                          > asking for C, C++ C#, HTML, Perl, fortran, Pascal, CSS, Visual Basic,
                          > TCP/IP, UNIX, Windows, AS/400, SQL, Cobol........i couldn't help but
                          > wonder
                          > if the person doing the ad just wrote a bunch of things from sites like
                          > WhatIs.com or About.com........

                          Heh, good point. It was the SQL that started me up, followed by SCO Unix
                          and MCSE. :)

                          >
                          > But those requirements in the ad you posted are not diverse as you put
                          > it...........MCSE and A+ are standard qualifications for those in system
                          > administration..........all companies use databases so it's easy for an
                          > admin person to pick up a working knowledge of SQL.........with the
                          > SCO once
                          > you know some UNIX you more or less could find your way and in any
                          > event the
                          > 3+ years experience would ensure that the candidate is familiar with the
                          > overall job.......

                          Right, but from what I understand present UWI graduates get maybe one
                          semester related to operating systems such as Unix. A few recent
                          graduates I've spoken with since I saw the ad have described their UWI
                          experience with GNU/Linux/Unix as... introductory. I asked if this was
                          something where more depth could have been gotten from the curriculum in
                          CompSci, and they told me no... all hearsay. I may have the curriculum
                          in hand sometime over the next month or so, and I'll be able to verify.

                          Point is - people who use Unix in Trinidad and Tobago are fairly rare.
                          They exist, but... and if they do have the Unix experience, odds are
                          good that they wouldn't have an MCSE. Truth be told, an MCSE doesn't
                          really stand for much without the experience you're supposed to have
                          before you take it. And the A+... geez. Plus if they don't have the new
                          cert (Nov 23 or better, I think), then they're not current. And this
                          year the BTX mobos are supposed to come out, so expect a new A+.

                          >
                          > But I was interested to see that the job title is "MIS
                          > Assistant"........what exactly is an MIS Assistant????? The job sounds as
                          > if it's system administration.......and speaking of which, there have been
                          > ads for the position of Information Systems Specialist in the government,
                          > which is nothing more that system administration (that from a former
                          > ISS)..........now, ISS sounds more impressive than
                          > sysadmin/netadmin...........more professional/managerial.......
                          >
                          > Is it becoming a trend nowadays to use more "posh" titles???

                          Strange you should mention that. I heard from one freshly graduated UWI
                          student with a CompSci degree... a real important sounding title -
                          'Systems Engineer' or something - making $3500 TT/month... This person
                          'happy so', so... why mess with it... but it's interesting to see how
                          many people grasp at a title instead of the salary. Hell, for $100/day
                          you can list yourself under CEPEP, and for $3,000 TT/month you can be a
                          'Office Manager'. Also for $3500TT/month you can be a 'Programmer
                          Trainee' at another company.

                          Truth is, a UWI graduate could work CEPEP and freelance. They could
                          probably compensate for the $1k a month deficit once they have a good
                          reputation. Unless they go and work for family, of course. Hell, I know
                          a 21 year old kid who isn't degreed, isn't certified, but has built a
                          solid reputation and is working a few contracts right now that put him
                          above the $5k barrier. But he is solid in what he knows, and also knows
                          what he doesn't. But this young man works, and works hard... the old
                          school work ethic. Been trying to get him on this list... he'd be a
                          great asset. His title? 'Independant Contractor', same as mine. LOL.

                          My answer when offered more responsibility for the same money and a
                          cushy title? "Hit me in the wallet".

                          Taran
                        • Taran Rampersad
                          Hmm. Hadn t considered the banking sector. Still, 100 doesn t seem like much to me, but I see your point. ... Yup, and from what I gather no more PS/2
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                            Hmm. Hadn't considered the banking sector. Still, 100 doesn't seem like
                            much to me, but I see your point.

                            Allan Samaroo wrote:

                            > And you're right, most wouldn't have MCSE unless it's a job
                            > requirement........
                            >
                            > BTX mobos this year!!! Great news..........that should mean more
                            > people can
                            > afford ATX this year.

                            Yup, and from what I gather no more PS/2 interfaces. All USB. It's (BTX)
                            supposed to support a lot more of open standards, such as USB, which is
                            good news for GNU/Linux. Here's hoping H/W manfacturer's live up to
                            it... Waiting for it so I can run dual AMD 64 bit processors on a 64 bit
                            BTX mobo instead of upgrading to an ATX, then going to BTX...

                            > >
                            > > Strange you should mention that. I heard from one freshly
                            > > graduated UWI
                            > > student with a CompSci degree... a real important sounding title -
                            > > 'Systems Engineer' or something - making $3500 TT/month...
                            >
                            > That person is either still under probation or that's a fresh job with
                            > under
                            > a year experience........3500 is the average starting salary in IT if
                            > you're
                            > in a service company........programming pays a little higher......of
                            > course
                            > the salary scale tips favourably in the oil sector.

                            Actually, 45 days probation for a few, 90 days probation for the
                            others... it's still sort of pathetic. One of them has passed probation
                            for $500 more a month. Inland Revenue will probably be happy.

                            Programming positions in the present market hasn't shown much in the way
                            of paying, and are fairly rare. Oil sector - yeah, you're right there.
                            Of course, if you take out rubbish in the oil sector you do well.

                            The internet provides for an international market. ;)

                            >
                            > > This person
                            > > 'happy so', so... why mess with it... but it's interesting to see how
                            > > many people grasp at a title instead of the salary.
                            >
                            > I'm not so sure it's the title insomuch as having a job.......give that
                            > person a higher paying job with a less flashy title like "IT
                            > Technician" and
                            > I'm sure he/she will take it.......

                            I'd hope so. :)

                            Taran
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