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Ron Price's 3ST: Suggestion and Inventory

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  • E Bruce Brooks
    To: Synoptic Cc: GPG On: Ron Price s 3ST Containing: Suggestion and Inventory From: Bruce SUGGESTION Ron defends his sQ nomenclature with the thought that
    Message 1 of 1 , Dec 22, 2007
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      To: Synoptic
      Cc: GPG
      On: Ron Price's 3ST
      Containing: Suggestion and Inventory
      From: Bruce

      SUGGESTION

      Ron defends his "sQ" nomenclature with the thought that the letter "Q" is
      familiar to everybody. That is exactly why Q in all forms should be avoided
      in labeling any proposed source which differs significantly (as Ron's does,
      in both derivational logic and in contents) from Q. I make the obvious
      suggestion, which Ron's modesty may have prohibited him from making himself:
      that in view of Ron's long work on the theory it be named after him, and
      that his conjectured source be called P.

      INVENTORY

      What is ultimately being discussed, whether from statistical or other
      angles, is what I will now begin to call P. Not everyone may have accessed P
      from Ron's website in following recent discussion, though for the record
      that site is

      http://homepage.virgin.net/ron.price/index.htm

      For the rest, it may be convenient to have a structural summary in E-mail
      form. I provide one herewith. Given the rounding off of lines in E-mail, I
      have had to abbreviate some descriptions, and to get a little more room I
      have rephrased "A8" (etc) as "8" (etc), and transferred them to the
      beginning of the line; that a given "8" is "A8" is hopefully manifest,
      albeit implicit in its placement under "A." Ron's site remains the
      authority, and should be checked before committing oneself to a comment in
      hardcopy form. This version may perhaps suffice for purposes of preliminary
      E-mail discussion.

      A: Entering the Kingdom
      Mark Matthew Luke Saying / internal links

      1. ----- 5:3-4,6,11-12 6:20-23 Beatitudes / earth
      2. 9:50a 5:13 14:34-35 Salt / earth; influence others
      3. 4:21 5:15 11:33 Light lamp / influence others
      4. (13:31) 5:18 16:17 Law / God's law persists
      5. ----- 5:25-26 12:58-59 Your accuser/ God's law persists
      6. 9:43,47 5:30,29 ----- Hand/eye separation
      7. 10:11 5:32 16:18 Divorce separation
      8. ----- 5:39-48 6:27-30,32-36 Love enemies -
      9. ----- 15:14 6:39 Blind guide / guidance
      10 ----- 10:24-25 6:40 Teacher/disciple guidance
      11 10:15 18:3 ----- Be like child / enter K of G
      12 10:25 ----- ----- Eye of needle / enter K of G
      13 ----- 7:3-5 6:41-42 Speck/plank / criticize others
      14 (4:24) 7:1-2 6:37-8 Judge/measure / criticize others
      15 ----- 7:6 ----- Pearls/swine / do not...
      16 ----- 7:13-14 13:24 Two gates -
      17 ----- 7:15-20 6:43-44 Good tree / good & evil
      18 ----- 12:34-35 6:45 Good treasure / good & evil
      19 (11:24) 7:7-11 11:9-13 Ask / good & evil
      20 ----- 7:12 6:31 Golden rule / do
      21 ----- 7:21-23 6:46;13:26-27 I never knew you / do; everyone
      22 ----- 7:24-27 6:47-49 Rock/sand / do; everyone

      B: The Mission of the Kingdom
      Mark Matthew Luke Saying / internal links

      1. (1:16-20) 8:19-22 9:57-60 Following Jesus / discipleship
      2. 9:41 10:42 ----- Cup of water / discipleship
      3. (4:26-29) 9:37-38 10:2 Harvest / fr w B14; send; worker
      4. 1:15; 6:8-11 10:5b-15 10:4-12 Instr / fr w/B7; send; worker; sheep
      5. ----- 10:16 10:3 Sheep/wolves / send; sheep
      6. 13:13 10:22 ----- Hated/endure / all
      7. (13:10) 10:23 ----- Through all Israel / all
      8. 13:9,11 10:17-20 12:11-12 Hand over ... words / don't worry
      9. (4:22; 8:38) 10:26-33 12:2-9 Nothing hidden / don't be afraid
      10. (13:12) 10:34-35 12:51,53 Division / family
      11. 8:34 10:37-38 14:26-27 Worthy/cross / Whoever ...; family
      12. 8:35 10:39 17:33 Save/lose / Whoever
      13. 9:37b 10:40 10:16 Whoever welcomes / Whoever; me
      14. 9:40 12:30 11:23 For/against / Whoever; me

      C: The coming Kingdom
      Mark Matthew Luke Saying / internal links

      1. (11:25) 6:7,9-13 11:2-4 K come! / "many" n enough
      2. ------ 22:14 ----- Called/chosen / "many" n
      enough
      3. ----- 6:22-23 11:34-35 Eye as lamp -
      4. 2:17 ----- ----- Caesar/God / ruler
      5. (8:12) 12:38-9,41-2 11:16,29-32 Req sign / ruler, prophet
      6. ----- 13:16-17 10:23-24 What you see / r, p, blessed; hear
      7. (3:31-35) ----- 11:27-28 Womb / blessed; hear
      8. ----- 18:15,21-22 17:3-4 Forgiveness / sin
      9. 9:42 18:6-7 17:1-2 Millstone / sin
      10. 9:35b;10:42b-44 23:11 ----- Ruler / servant high vs low status
      11. ----- 23:12 14:11; 18:14b Humble exalted / high vs low status
      12. 9:1 ----- ----- Some standing / sky to
      earth
      13. ----- ----- 12:54-56 Weather signs / earth & sky
      14. 4:30-32 13:31-33 13:18-21 Mustard/yeast / earth to sky; man/woman
      15. ----- 18:12-14 15:4-10 Sheep, coin / numb one; man/woman
      16. ----- 6:24 16:13 Two masters / numbers; one
      17. 11:23 17:20 17:6 Mulberry tree -
      18. (10:21) 6:19-21 12:33-34 Treasure in heaven / possessions
      19. ----- 6:25-33 12:22-31 Food/clothing / possessions; will be
      given
      20 4:25 25:29 12:48 Much given / will be given
      21 (10:29-30) 19:28 22:28-30 Thrones / rewards at the coming
      22 10:31 20:16 13:30 Last/first / rewards at the coming

      D: Hindrances to the Kingdom
      Mark Matthew Luke Saying / internal links

      1. ----- 23:13,15bc 11:52 Hinder entrance / woe
      2. ----- 23:25-26 11:39-41 Clean cup / woe; blind; Pharisees
      3. ----- 23:23-24 11:42 Tithe mint / woe; blind; Pharisees
      4. 12:38-39 23:6-7 11:43 Seats/greetings / woe; Pharisees
      5. ----- 23:27 11:44 Unmarked graves / woe; Pharisees
      6. ----- 23:4 11:46 Burdens / woe
      7. ----- 23:29-36 11:47-51 Memorials / woe; prophets
      8. 13:22 24:11 ----- False prophets / prophets
      9. 13:21 24:26 17:23 Look he is .../ "they" ref to D8
      10. ----- 24:27 17:24 Lightning / visible from afar
      11. ----- 24:28 17:37 Corpse / visible from afar
      12. ----- 24:37-39 17:26-27,30 In the days of Noah / sudden coming
      13. ----- 24:40-41 17:34-35 Taken/left / sudden coming
      14. (13:35-37) 24:42-44 12:39-40 Watch/thief / sudden coming

      AN EXTRACT FROM RON'S FOLLOWING NOTES
      Footnote indications have been suppressed; see Ron's site

      a. MORE ABOUT THE STRUCTURE
      The first saying in each section indicates that section's overall theme:

      A Who can enter the kingdom (Mt 5:3)
      B Proclaiming the kingdom (Lk 9:60)
      C The coming kingdom (Lk 11:2c)
      D Those who hinder entrance to the kingdom (Mt 23:13)

      Each section appears to be arranged in two halves with the same number of
      sayings in each half. In D, these comprise the woes and a description of the
      coming of the Son of man. The first half of B comes to a climax in 'Through
      all Israel'. Matthew ch.5 includes sayings from the first half of A, and
      ch.7 includes sayings from the second half. The first half of A opens with a
      saying about the poor; the second half opens with a saying about the rich.
      The first half of C opens with an expression of hope for the coming kingdom;
      the second half opens with a confident prediction of its coming.

      a. THE ORDER OF THE SAYINGS [aLk = Author of Luke; etc]

      The order in P [formerly sQ].
      The proposed order of the sayings indicated above has been determined by a
      combination of criteria:

      a.. In section A the sayings generally follow the order in Mt 5-7 and Lk
      6:20-49. aMt and aLk agree in placing 'Beatitudes' and 'Rock/sand' at the
      beginning and end of their respective sermons, which is probably a
      reflection of their original positions in A.
      b.. The order in C is determined primarily by the parallels with A.
      c.. The order in B is based mainly on Matthew, for aMt has kept together
      what appears to be mission material (mainly in Mt 10) better than aLk.
      d.. In D, the order of the woes in P follows the order in Luke with one
      exception, which will be explained below. The mention of prophets in Mt
      24:11 provides a link between the last woe and the signs of Jesus' coming.

      ---------END OF INVENTORY---------

      Respectfully submitted,

      Bruce

      E Bruce Brooks
      Warring States Project
      University of Massachusetts at Amherst
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