Re: Kloppenborg vs. Fleddermann
- Leonard wrote: But I doubt that Mark's priority would have escaped being
known in the early centuries, had it been a fact.
Dave: This is a reasonable question. If Mark is first, why does
tradition say Matthew was first?
I have a proposal, which I discussed at some length with Ron Price, and
mentioned briefly here.
The idea is that there was a saying source, but it was a forgery by the
author of the gospel of Matthew, in order to justify his expansion of
So first we have the gospel of Mark, maybe developed in stages, but
already well established by the time the gospel of Matthew comes along.
In order to justify expanding the gospel of Mark, the author of Matthew
forges a "saying source" and claims it to be actual words of Jesus
recorded by the disciple Matthew. The author of the gospel of Matthew
then uses this "saying-source" to "correct" and update Mark.
Luke is then taken in by the saying-source forgery, but recognizes the
gospel of Matthew as contemporary. Luke makes his own gospel, using Mark
and the "saying-source", with only occasional reference to Matthew.
Future generations (including Pappias), are also taken in by the
forgery, and thus credit Matthew (or at least Mathew's LOGIA) as being
first, and Mark's gospel as being second. If this hypothesis is correct,
it would answer Leonard's question - "If Mark is first, why does
tradition say Matthew was first?" Of course, I realize Leonard has a
different answer in mind.
In discussion with Ron, I came to realize that there is very little that
can separate his idea from mine. We did come up with some ideas for
detailed work that could be done, and reviewing Fleddermann work, from
the perspective of my hypothesis and his, was one of those ideas.
However, I have not had time to pursue that yet, beyond some preliminary
work. So, as it stands, my personal assessment currently places Ron's
idea and mine on almost equal footing. They both correctly describe many
points (in my opinion), and where detailed work could be done to
separate them, I've not done anything more than begin that process. But,
currently I know of nothing that seems to eliminate either hypothesis
Here is my current draft
which just represents where I left off in the process. But comments on
the project thus far are welcome.
Sr. Systems Engineer/Statistician
M.S. Finance (ABD Management Science)
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