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Re: Fw: [Synoptic-L] one step at a time, Lk 9.44

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  • Paul G Buckley
    On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 11:37:43 -0700 Paul G Buckley
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      On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 11:37:43 -0700 Paul G Buckley <uneaq@...>
      writes:
      >
      > Belated reply to Randall Buth,
      > Have you considered
      > what follows Luke 9:44? "Let these sayings sink down into your ears:
      > for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.
      > 9:45 But they understood not this saying, and it was hid
      > from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask Him
      > that saying."
      > Immediately this seems to start a power struggle amongst
      > them. "Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should
      > be the greatest."
      > Are they arguing about the successor to Jesus? If He is
      > delivered into the hands of men, who gets to be His replacement?
      > As you point out Exodus 17:4 is the only other place
      > this particular phrase, "let these sayings sink down into your
      > ears," is used. It is interesting Moses is talking to his
      > successor Joshua.
      > Paul Buckley <uneaq@ juno.com>
      > No affiliation
      >
      > ..........................................................
      >
      > From: Randall Buth <ButhFam@...>
      > To: synoptic list <Synoptic-L@...>
      > Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:37:49 -0500
      > Subject: [Synoptic-L] one step at a time, Lk 9.44
      > Message-ID: <200303151337_MC3-1-2F6E-590D@...>
      >
      > shavua` tov.
      >
      > I queried the Aramaic source(s) hypothesis last week for two
      > reasons. One,
      > it overlooks primary data, and Two, it is important for synoptic
      >
      > studies.
      >
      > The phrase 'put these words in your ears' was meant to
      > subliminally
      >
      > illustrate this.
      >
      > Luke 9.44
      > QESQE UMEIS EIS TA WTA UMWN TOUS LOGOUS TOUTOUS
      >
      > This comes at the second passion prediction in triple tradition.
      >
      > Luke follows with the shortest snyoptic account:
      > 'SoM is about to be delivered to the hands of men'.
      >
      > Neither Mt nor Mk have a parallel to 'put these words in your
      > ears'.
      >
      > Listen to Anchor Bible: "The Lucan formula may be an echo of Exod
      >
      > 17.14, 'put it in the ears of Joshua' (wesim be'ozne Yehoshua`),
      > but
      > the
      > LXX translates it rather DOS EIS TA WTA IHSOI, whereas Luke
      > writes QESQE, 'put, store.' "
      > Correct.
      > It sounds reasonable until one realizes what this hides, Luke's
      > phrase
      > "put in the ears" is word for word the closest equivalent to the
      >
      > Hebrew.
      > The explanation appears to suggest the following:
      > Luke decided to add something biblical to Jesus' words,
      > he remembered a rare item from the LXX,
      > he then misquoted it,
      > and accidently produced a pure Hebrew calque.
      >
      > Is this possible? Yes.
      > But is it probable?
      >
      > The "problem" for many synoptic theories is that this phrase
      > cannot
      > be coming from Matthew, nor from Mark, and not from the LXX,
      > yet it shows up in Luke.
      > Couple that observation with the "short" citation form and a case
      >
      > can be
      > made, and has been made, that Luke reflects an independent
      > tradition
      > here
      > of quality material.
      >
      > Now, if we knew that there were groups in the first century using
      >
      > Hebrew, and we do; and if we have evidence that Mark's sources
      > and
      > Luke's sources may include something that goes back to Hebrew,
      > and
      > we do, then Semitisms may help unravel relationships in many
      > directions,
      >
      >
      > www.jerusalemcornerstone.org
      >
      > One step at a time.
      >
      > blessings,
      >
      > Randall Buth
      > Jerusalem
      >
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