[Synoptic-L] Re: The Achilles heel of the Farrer Theory?
I find it a curious question (challenge?), because surely all of us can find three sayings in each of the gospels that one can argue are most primitive... as we should expect (probably despite what source theory one is using).
In just scanning parallel texts in Accordance, the first I noted was Matthew's parallel to Mark 6:4-5 which is more succinct and pithy, while Mark embellishes even after the aphorism. (ALL CAPS are missing from Matthew 13):
Jesus said to them, "Prophets are honored everywhere except in their own hometowns, AMONG THEIR RELATIVES, and in their own households." 5 He was unable to do any miracles there, EXCEPT THAT HE PLACED HIS HANDS ON A FEW SICK PEOPLE AND HEALED THEM. 6 He was APPALLED by their disbelief.
Of course, primitive theology, etc is more interesting that primitive syntax. Sorry I have a deadline to meet, so can't take time to lay this out, but you can find them just as well.
Dr. Joseph A. Weaks
Minister, Raytown Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Adjunct, St. Paul School of Theology
--- In Synoptic@yahoogroups.com, "E Bruce Brooks" <brooks@...> wrote:
> To: Synoptic
> On: Aphorisms
> From: Bruce
> Joe Weaks had said, " Seems to me there are indeed some more primitive
> aphorisms in Matt &/or Luke at times, though I recall thinking Fleddermann
> reaches in some instances."
> I respond: It seems to me that Fleddermann consistently overreaches. To
> bring the present discussion down a little from the clouds: Could you cite
> three aphorisms that in your considered opinion occur in a more primitive
> form in Matthew than in Mark?
> E Bruce Brooks
- Jeffrey Gibson wrote:
> How do you know for certain that 1 Cor 1:22 is an allusion to Mt 12:39Jeffrey,
> // Mt 16:4 c.f. Mk 8:12? After all, as we see in Josephus, "Jews"
> /did/ seek "signs". So Paul may be making a statement about his
> co-religionists that is based upon his experience/knowledge of them
> rather than upon anything Jesus said, just as his statement about what
> Greeks seek is based upon his experience of Greek culture and not
> anything Jesus said.
I don't know for certain.
But there are two arguments that indicate a *probable* link.
The first involves the immediate context. 1 Cor 1:21-22 includes 'SOFIAS
..... KHRUGMATOS ..... IOUDAIOI SHMEIA AITOUSIN .....',
with which we can compare the logia saying C5 (c.f. Q 11:29-32):
'... H GENEA AUTH ... SHMEION ZHTEI ..... SOFIAN ..... KHRUGMA .....'
Thus we have Jews (implicit in the original context of "this generation")
requesting signs, and we have wisdom and preaching, all three together in
both Paul and the logia.
The second involves the wider context of 1 Cor chs. 1-4. This contains a
cluster of apparent allusions to the logia.
In addition to 1:21-22 there is 1:26-29 in which Paul wrote "consider your
call" followed by the threefold repetition of "not many" and "God chose"
(c.f. the logia saying C2, Mt 22:14).
Then 1 Cor 2:4 refers to PEIQOIS SOFIAS LOGOIS (persuasive words of wisdom),
which aptly describes the whole collection of wisdom sayings attributed to
Then there are several echoes of the logia: laying a foundation (1 Cor
3:10-13, c.f. saying A22 'Rock/sand'); being filled, becoming rich and
reigning (1 Cor 4:8, c.f. saying A1, Blessings); when reviled we bless (1
Cor 4:12, c.f. saying A8 about loving enemies); kingdom of God associated
with power (EN DUNAMEI, 1 Cor 4:20, c.f. saying C12, Mk 9:1). [For the first
three of these Paul/synoptic echoes I am indebted to the section "Paul and
Q" in Allison's "The Jesus Tradition in Q". Dale Allison surveys several
possible links, but in the end is not convinced.]
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