Re: [Synoptic-L] Multiple independent witnesses to the miracles of Jesus? (was: The Davidic Entry into Jerusalem)
Your logic doesn't work here. If AMt and ALk created the M and L material, M and L are still independent witnesses; they are just not *sources* for AMt and ALk. Likewise 99% of the gospel of John is an independent witness.
Rev. Chuck Jones
Let's consider the 'sources' you [Greg] mentioned. There is no evidence that M and
L ever constituted sources. For instance, M may simply represent pericopes
created by Matthew and not copied by Luke. John was probably dependent on
Mark (Barrett, Schnelle, et al.). That Q ever existed is highly debatable,
and few scholars consider it certain. This leaves us with only one certain
independent witness, namely the gospel of Mark.
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- Jeff Peterson wrote:
> ..... while Paul doesn't mention signsJeff,
> and wonders performed by Jesus, he does regard signs and wonders as marking
> apostles of the risen Christ (Rom 15:1819; 2 Cor 12:12).
Indeed, Paul himself apparently claimed to have performed signs and wonders,
though it should be noted in regard to the latter reference above, which is
Paul's strongest statement on the subject, that the context is his desperate
desire to present himself as a true apostle. Also he was somewhat agitated
(2 Cor 12:11).
But unfortunately none of the four claims to deeds of power (your two plus 1
Thess 1:5 and 1 Cor 2:4) are accompanied by details. Consequently we can't
be sure what Paul meant, and there is at least the possibility that he was
referring to the drama of mass conversions which this persuasive missionary
no doubt initiated.
> It wouldn't be a great leap to suppose that Paul had heard reports fromBut this is nothing more than a supposition, and its perceived likelihood
> Cephas, James, et al. of signs and wonders performed by Christ .....
depends on whether or not we consider (on other grounds) that Jesus was a
So I still maintain that our only independent witness to Jesus as a miracle
worker is the gospel of Mark.