Re: [Synoptic-L] Point of clarification concerning Abba
> Richard Richmond wrote:"Jeffrey B. Gibson"
> > I did not mean to say that Abba was a Greek word
> > that the concept of God as intimate friend had is
> > basis in the writing of Homer and not in Hebrew
> > tradition.
> Could you please cite the specific texts in theDear Jeffrey;
> Iliad or the Odyssey in
> which you see "the concept of God as intimate
> friend" expressed?
I already asked and thrice pointed out his claim was
left uncited without sources, apparently to deaf ears.
He did answer by twisting things around saying: "As to
the citations, do you really care where HO AGAQOS or
ATTA can be found, will it change anything?"
However, he also not only changes his claim but his
mind. For example, in his previous post he said:
> Matthew also has ABBA missing from the Gardenthat Mark has drawn it from the writing of Paul.
> narrative. Now Paul writing many years before either
> of the Synoptics uses ABBA in the context of prayer.
> The word is EXCLUSIVE to the text of Mark and the
> Pauline Letters of Romans and Galatians. These are
> facts and they indicate that Paul has a broader
> understanding of how one can relate to God the
> I say that is due to the influence of Greek Culture
> and Classic Greek Literature in his upbringing and
So Pauls influence by Greek Culture and Classic Greek
Literature is the cause or reason why Paul uses ABBA
and not PATER. I thought Rick claimed that he: "did
not mean to say that Abba was a Greek word."
Apparently he does think Abba is Greek since Paul
learned to use this word "due to the influence of
Greek Culture and Classic Greek Literature in his
upbringing." As Rick says: "These are the facts". Now
how can anyone argue with that rationale and logic?
BTW nice work on the Hort links.
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