Re: [Synoptic-L] The living stream of oral tradition
- Mark Goodacre wrote:
> As I understand the argument from alternating primitivity, it is stated withMark,
> respect to relative primitivity and not absolute antiquity.
Of course. What I failed to mention was the evidence of antiquity in many of
the aphorisms, especially Semitic parallelism which appears alien to the
Greek language in which they are presented to us. So I see (relative)
primitivity in the aphorisms as being a likely indication of the antiquity
of the older variant.
> I would share your scepticism of the notion that Luke had some pipeline goingMy scepticism applies to the availability and reliability of oral tradition.
> back to the 30s.
Actually I think Luke did have a pipeline, but it was back to the 40s - a
written collection of the aphorisms of Jesus. I think the rehabilitation of
Papias' statement on Matthew is long overdue.
> But we know that he had access to traditional material in addition toMy investigations have unearthed extra evidence which leads me to confirm my
> what he found in Mark / Matthew for a range of reasons, his preface, the
> traditions in Acts, the similarities between his eucharistic tradition and 1
> Cor. 11, comparisons of his unique material with details in Josephus and so
suspicions that Lk 22:19b-20 was not in the original text of Luke, so I beg
to differ in regard to the eucharistic tradition. The rest of your point is
well taken. Nevertheless the traditions available to Luke were limited. He
still probably had to make up speeches for his heroes as some previous Greek
writers had done. Also the traditions seem to have varied greatly in
reliability. It appears to me that there is a great gulf in this respect
between the aphorisms, which seem to have great antiquity, and the remainder
of the gospel material, the detail of which is occasionally credible, but is
often late and/or unreliable. This gulf is readily explained on the one hand
by a written source of aphorisms, and on the other by a broadly sceptical
attitude to the reliability of oral tradition in the context of the synoptic
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