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Re: [Synoptic-L] Re: two L passages

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  • Chuck Jones
    So Lk does not have a theological motive in writing this passage.  He does it just so the other passage will be doubled?   Chuck ... From: Dave Gentile
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      So Lk does not have a theological motive in writing this passage.  He does it just so the other passage will be doubled?
       
      Chuck

      --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Dave Gentile <gentile_dave@...> wrote:


      From: Dave Gentile <gentile_dave@...>
      Subject: [Synoptic-L] Re: two L passages
      To: Synoptic@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 5:03 PM








      Chuck,

      No, I don't think Luke "has a dog in this fight". But Luke does want to transmit his primary sources. (Mark, and his Matthew material). Plus he wants to clean them up a bit at times, present their best face, etc...

      He has Mark 3:1-6.
      He has Matthew 12:9-14
      He also had some form of "if your animal falls in a hole on the Sabbath" saying from his "Matthew" list.

      I'd say that leaving Mark's version fairly undisturbed at Mark's location, and creating a doublet for the saying is just his response to the above.

      Dave Gentile
      Riverside, IL

      --- In Synoptic@yahoogroup s.com, Chuck Jones <chuckjonez@ ...> wrote:
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      > Dave,
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      > Could you address the point that Lk has no agenda in broadening what can be done on a Sabbath?  (And he has no beef with Pharisaic interpretation of the law.)  Lk omits the "What defiles a person?" passage in Mk and Mt, in which Mk notes, "(Thus he declared all foods clean)."
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      > Lk does not have a dog in this fight.  Which means, contra Bruce, he would have no reason to alter and improve existing accounts.  He doesn't care about this topic.  His Jewish Xns keep the law.  All of it, and especially the Sabbath.
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      > Rev. Chuck Jones
      > Atlanta, Georgia
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      > --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Dave Gentile <gentile_dave@ ...> wrote:
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      > From: Dave Gentile <gentile_dave@ ...>
      > Subject: [Synoptic-L] Re: two L passages
      > To: Synoptic@yahoogroup s.com
      > Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 2:53 PM
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      > Chuck,
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      > This is useful to start going through them in detail. If you look at my previous post I just picked up a detail about the Nain pericope that I had missed. Here are some initial thoughts on these two passages.
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      > 14:1-6 has the bit about the son and the ox in the well. Some might call this "Q". I'd say this is in the list of things Luke gets from the author of Matthew attributed to the disciple Matthew. Luke sees that the author of Matthew has stuck this into Mark's healing of the withered hand. Rather than adopting this solution and altering his Mark material, Luke just decides to create a new but similar home for the "son and ox" saying in his travel section. He creates doublets like this elsewhere creating two sendings out of the sending of the 12, for example. So, I'd put this in the category of a Lukian expansion of his material from Matthew and Mark.
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      > The other bit has a Thomas parallel and seems closely linked with those ideas. If we were to give this a written source in our model in would almost certainly be proto-Thomas, no? (A source we have recovered a record of). I will grant it is unlike other material in the canonicals. This almost makes me wonder if some late scribe slipped in his favorite bit of Thomas, and this in not original Luke at all.
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