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4635Re: [Synoptic-L] Variant in Lukan version of LP

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  • Jack Kilmon
    Dec 2, 2012
      I think it is very likely, Will. I am convinced that Jesus was an Enochian,
      not a Mosaic, Jew. I think little brother Jimmy entered the fray after the
      crucifixion to "rehabilitate" his big brother posthumously.
      Jack

      Jack Kilmon
      Houston, TX

      -----Original Message-----
      From: will
      Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 4:32 AM
      To: Synoptic@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Synoptic-L] Variant in Lukan version of LP

      There aren't any "You petitions or We petitions" in the prayers of Enoch and
      the
      Angel [found in 1 Enoch] either.

      The phrase "Hallowed be Thy name" occurs at the beginning of the Enochian
      prayer
      [61.12] and "thy will be done" seems to me to be implied in the phrase "so
      shall
      it be unto thee" [71.15].

      So, is it possible that the original "first edition" of Jesus's "Lord's
      prayer"
      is connected with Enoch?

      --------------------------------------
      [Enoch says]
      God,
      61.12: We bless, and glorify, and extol, and hallow Thy blessed name,
      We glorify and bless Thy name for ever and ever.

      61.13: For great is the mercy of God, and He is long-suffering,
      And all His works and all that He has created
      He has revealed to the righteous and elect In the name of God.

      [The Angel says]
      71.14: This [Enoch] is the Son of Man who is born unto righteousness,
      And righteousness abides over him,
      And the righteousness of the Head of Days forsakes him not.

      71.15: He proclaims unto thee peace in the name of Heaven,
      For from hence has proceeded peace since the creation of the world,
      And so shall it be unto thee for ever and for ever and ever.

      71.16: And all shall walk in his ways since righteousness never forsakes
      him:
      With him will be their dwelling-places, and with him their heritage,
      And they shall not be separated from him for ever and ever and ever.

      71.17: And so there shall be eternal life with that Son of Man [Enoch],
      And the righteous shall have peace and an upright way
      In the name of God for ever and ever.
      --------------------------------------

      REF: The Book of Enoch - R. H. Charles


      William Penrhiw
      Cardiff, UK





      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Jgibson" <jgibson000@...>
      To: <Synoptic@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:50 PM
      Subject: Re: [Synoptic-L] Variant in Lukan version of LP


      > On 11/29/2012 6:36 AM, Keith Yoder wrote:
      >> There is a nice online summary of this variant in Wieland Willker's Luke
      >> volume of textual commentary, pages 295-296. He also cites the Leaney
      >> article as well as this comment by Streeter.
      >> "Now in view of the immense pressure of the tendency to assimilate the
      >> two
      >> versions of this specially familiar prayer, and of the improbability that
      >> various orthodox Fathers should have adopted (without knowing it) the
      >> text of
      >> Marcion, the probability is high that the reading of 700, 162, which
      >> makes
      >> the Gospels differ most, is what Luke wrote."
      > Fascinating. Thanks!
      >
      > If the variant is original, it gives a new sense to the aim of the LP
      > (keeping the disciples from apostasy) . And it shows, to my mind at
      > least, that the notion that the LP is made up of You petitions and We
      > petitions is a false one.
      >
      > Jeffrey
      >
      > --
      > ---
      > Jeffrey B. Gibson D.Phil. Oxon.
      > 1500 W. Pratt Blvd
      > Chicago, IL
      > jgibson000@...
      >
      >



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