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  • Primolana Shetlands
    Hi! I manage a 911 Communications Center. I ve been studying The Art of War & The Art of Management . I have 2 challenges-- getting my troops , especially
    Message 1 of 4 , May 25, 2002
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      Hi!
      I manage a 911 Communications Center. I've been studying "The Art of
      War & The Art of Management".
      I have 2 challenges-- getting my "troops", especially my supervisors, to
      share my vision--the vision of the agency.
      The second is allying with my enemies (user agencies), some of which are
      vying for control of the Center.
      I look forward to any insight or advice you can give me. My first read of
      The Art of War about 6 months ago (Thanks to Tony Soprano) prompted plenty
      of thought, and I think there's much to be learned from Sun Tzu's
      strategies.
      Lanette
    • kueikutzu
      ... Art of ... supervisors, to ... which are ... read of ... plenty ... Welcome to the list. I haven t dealt much with the managment-side versions of Sun Tzu,
      Message 2 of 4 , May 29, 2002
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        --- In Sun_Tzu@y..., "Primolana Shetlands" <primolana@l...> wrote:
        > Hi!
        > I manage a 911 Communications Center. I've been studying "The
        Art of
        > War & The Art of Management".
        > I have 2 challenges-- getting my "troops", especially my
        supervisors, to
        > share my vision--the vision of the agency.
        > The second is allying with my enemies (user agencies), some of
        which are
        > vying for control of the Center.
        > I look forward to any insight or advice you can give me. My first
        read of
        > The Art of War about 6 months ago (Thanks to Tony Soprano) prompted
        plenty
        > of thought, and I think there's much to be learned from Sun Tzu's
        > strategies.
        > Lanette

        Welcome to the list.

        I haven't dealt much with the managment-side versions of Sun Tzu, so I
        can't offer business specific advice. You might also want to check
        out a "non-applied" version of Sunzi as well, Griffith's translation,
        or Sawyer's or Ames's. Once you understand the underlying principles
        you may be able to apply them yourself without any pointers.

        One thing off the top of my head, that I believe I mentioned in
        another post, is the Aikido concept of seeing things from your
        opponent's point of view. Unless you know what they want and what
        they are willing to do to achieve it it will be difficult to develop a
        counter-strategy.

        Regards
        Douglas Henderson

        PS, which one have you read of the below, the first? (does anyone
        know if any of these are particularly noteworthy?
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      • Primolana Shetlands
        Doug, I am reading the Art of War & Art of Management by Gary Gagliardi. Actually I think it s quite good. Also found the sonshi.com website which has some
        Message 3 of 4 , May 29, 2002
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          Doug, I am reading the Art of War & Art of Management by Gary Gagliardi. Actually I think it's quite good. Also found the sonshi.com website which has some good recommendation for other reading. Some of the ones you listed below also sound intriguing.
          I feel like I am facing what Tony Soprano faces....are your captains loyal? And how is loyalty measured? I think there will be lot in the Art of War that I will be able to apply..
          Thanks
          Lanette
           
          I haven't dealt much with the managment-side versions of Sun Tzu, so I
          can't offer business specific advice.  You might also want to check
          out a "non-applied" version of Sunzi as well, Griffith's translation,
          or Sawyer's  or Ames's.  Once you understand the underlying principles
          you may be able to apply them yourself without any pointers.

          One thing off the top of my head, that I believe I mentioned in
          another post, is the Aikido concept of seeing things from your
          opponent's point of view.  Unless you know what they want and what
          they are willing to do to achieve it it will be difficult to develop a
          counter-strategy.

          Regards
          Douglas Henderson

          PS, which one have you read of the below, the first?  (does anyone
          know if any of these are particularly noteworthy?
          From Amazon

          1.
                                            The Art of War -Plus- The Art of
                                            Management
                                            by Sun Tzu, Gary Gagliardi
          (Paperback)
                                            Avg. Customer Rating: 
                                            Usually ships in 24 hours

                                  List Price: $14.95
                                  Our Price: $14.95

                                                                         




                                  2.
                                              Classics of Strategy and Counsel :
                                              Thunder in the Sky, the Japanese
          Art of
                                              War, the Book of Five Rings, Ways
          of
                                              Warriors, Codes of Kings
                                              by Thomas Cleary (Hardcover -
          January
                                              2001)
                                              Avg. Customer Rating: 
                                              Usually ships in 24 hours
                                               Editions: Hardcover | more...

                                  List Price: $40.00
                                  Our Price: $28.00
                                  You Save: $12.00 (30%)

                                                                         
                                                           Or buy used: $25.63
                                                           Or buy collectible:
          $85.00




                                  3.
                                              Sun Tzu : The Art of War for
          Managers;
                                              50 Strategic Rules
                                              by Gerald A. Michaelson (Paperback
          -
                                              February 2001)
                                              Avg. Customer Rating: 
                                              Usually ships in 24 hours
                                               Editions: Paperback | more...

                                  List Price: $10.95
                                  Our Price: $8.76
                                  You Save: $2.19 (20%)

                                                                         
                                                           Or buy used: $8.49




                                  4.
                                            Applying Sun Tzu's Art of War in
          Corporate
                                            Politics : Spiced With Real-Life
                                            Illustrations and Ovservations, It
          Is
                                            Written in a Breezy Style That allow
                                            by Khoo Kheng-Hor (Paperback - April
          1997)

                                            Usually ships in 4 to 5 days
                                             Editions: Paperback

                                  List Price: $14.95
                                  Our Price: $14.95

                                                                         
                                                           Or buy used: $12.50




                                  5.
                                            The Lost Art of War
                                            by Sun, Ii Tzu, et al (Paperback -
          May
                                            1997)
                                            Avg. Customer Rating: 
                                            Usually ships in 24 hours
                                             Editions: Hardcover | Paperback |
          Audio
                                            Cassette

                                  List Price: $12.00
                                  Our Price: $9.60
                                  You Save: $2.40 (20%)

                                                                         
                                                           Or buy used: $6.99




                                  6.
                                              The Art of War for Executives
                                              by Donald G. Krause (Paperback -
                                              February 1995)
                                              Avg. Customer Rating: 
                                              Out of Print--Limited Availability
                                               Editions: Paperback



                                                           From our Marketplace
                                                           Sellers
                                                           New: $12.00
                                                           Used: $5.69



                                  7.
                                                The Art of War
                                                by Sun Tzu, et al (Audio
          Cassette -
                                                November 1999)
                                                Avg. Customer Rating: 
                                                Limited Availability
                                                 Editions: Hardcover | Paperback
          | |
                                                Audio Cassette | Digital
          (Microsoft
                                                Reader) | Digital (Adobe Reader)
          |
                                                more...






                                  8.
                                                Sun Tzu : The Art of War for
          Managers
                                                New Translation With Commentary
          50
                                                Rules for Strategic Thinking
                                                by Sun-Tzu, Gerald A. Michaelson
                                                Usually ships in 2 to 3 weeks

                                  List Price: $14.95
                                  Our Price: $14.95

                                                                         




                                  9.
                                              Sunzi's Art of War & Management
                                              Strategy
                                              by M. W. Luke Chan (Paperback -
                                              November 1998)
                                              Usually ships in 2 to 3 days

                                  List Price: $12.95
                                  Our Price: $12.95

                                                                         
                                                           Or buy used: $7.95




                                  10.
                                                 Suntzu on Management : The Art
          of
                                                 War in Contemporary Business
                                                 Strategy
                                                 by Foo Check Teck, Peter Hugh
          Grinyer
                                                 (Paperback - March 1996)
                                                 Limited Availability



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        • dej2.geo
          Here is your chance to win a copy of Sun Tzu s Art of War. anyone with the interest a interest in strategy of ancient warfare is welcome, weather you have
          Message 4 of 4 , Jun 3, 2003
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            Here is your chance to win a copy of "Sun Tzu's" Art of War.
            anyone with the interest a interest in strategy of ancient warfare is welcome,
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            "Sonshi's" forums has many outtakes from the book you can use as a source if
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            If you decide to take up this "Challenge" the details and website are listed below

            good luck, dej2

            (There is no fee to join, and apears to be a normal forum... I have not got any
            spam from the site yet... but I've only just discovered the site.)




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