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  • rswappleton@juno.com
    Jen said - Which albums do you think are best for a relative newbie wanting to hear Iron Maiden, Metallica, Queensryche, Motorhead, and Judas Priest? I
    Message 1 of 26 , Feb 8, 2006
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      Jen said - "Which albums do you think are "best" for a relative newbie
      wanting to hear Iron Maiden, Metallica, Queensryche, Motorhead, and Judas
      Priest? I think those are the bands that have interested me the most
      over the years, for "metal" bands."

      Hmm, my favorite Iron Maiden album is "Piece Of Mind", but I think
      "Number Of The Beast" is probably the most melodic and accessible of
      their early classic albums. Songs like The Prisoner, Run To The Hills,
      Children Of The Damned, and Hallowed Be Thy Name all have great hooks and
      a depth of emotion to them that is too often missing in heavy music.

      Metallica - Well, it depends on which Metallica era you prefer. I like
      the songs Enter Sandman and King Nothing, but the only Metallica albums I
      own are "Ride The Lightning", and "Master Of Puppets". The last one is
      the legendary classic that set the standard for fast metal and all, but I
      somewhat prefer the fuller sound of "Ride The Lightning." Both albums are
      very similar in content; it just depends on whether you like your sound
      lean and mean, or with a bit more 80's style reverb on your guitars.

      Queensryche - I'm only familiar with the first self-titled album, and
      their first full-length album "The Warning". I vastly prefer the very
      first release. Probably because it sounds a lot like Iron Maiden. It's
      harder and meaner than the power ballads and prog-pop-metal that
      Queensryche are best known for. (I've never actually heard "Operation:
      Mindcrime" or anything after "The Warning", so I may be wrong about their
      later musical style.)

      Motorhead - I think the compilation "No Remorse" is all anybody needs to
      get the best of the early Motorhead years. I think it came out around
      1984 or so. Certainly they did some great stuff afterwards, but that's
      the album I keep coming back to for my Motorhead fix. The original albums
      always seem to have half a dozen filler songs for every good one.

      Judas Priest - The only Priest album I owned was "Screaming For
      Vengeance", and I only liked a couple of songs on it. Probably a
      "greatest hits" package of some kind would be the best way to hear them.
      A quick glance at amazon.com shows "Best Of: Living After Midnight". It
      has most of their best-known songs, except my favorites Hell Bent For
      Leather and The Ripper. But it does have two excellent cover tunes: The
      Green Manalishi, and Diamonds And Rust.

      My 2 pence worth.

      (A glimpse into my quirky tastes in music: I'm sitting here listening to
      Judas Priest audio clips off the internet, and listening to America's
      "Horse With No Name" on a cd at the same time. And liking them both.)

      --- RSW
      The Niagara Frontier
      www.raymondscottwoolson.com
    • Jon Gordon
      Looking over this thread makes me realise that the similarities betweeen Metal and S-gaze are far more a matter of equipment rather than songwriting or playing
      Message 2 of 26 , Feb 9, 2006
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        Looking over this thread makes me realise that the similarities betweeen Metal and S-gaze are far more a matter of equipment rather than songwriting or playing ability: Les Paul Standard + Marshall amp = Loveless / Use Your Illusion while Gretsch + Mesa Boogie = Stoned And Dethroned / ...... er, your metal types never seem to use Gretsch or Aria or Hamer or any of those 'indie' type guitars do they? Famously the JAMC smashed up a very expensive big red Gibson semi-acoustic onstage (the notorious Lewisham Poly riot incident) and were promptly dropped by Creation for costing McGee a whole weeks lunch money.
        And don't miss this weeks NME (UK edition) for a seriously late Slowdive retrospective bandwagon hop.   

        rswappleton@... wrote:
        Jen said - "Which albums do you think are "best" for a relative newbie
        wanting to hear Iron Maiden, Metallica, Queensryche, Motorhead, and Judas
        Priest?  I think those are the bands that have interested me the most
        over the years, for "metal" bands."

        Hmm, my favorite Iron Maiden album is "Piece Of Mind", but I think
        "Number Of The Beast" is probably the most melodic and accessible of
        their early classic albums. Songs like The Prisoner, Run To The Hills,
        Children Of The Damned, and Hallowed Be Thy Name all have great hooks and
        a depth of emotion to them that is too often missing in heavy music.

        Metallica - Well, it depends on which Metallica era you prefer. I like
        the songs Enter Sandman and King Nothing, but the only Metallica albums I
        own are "Ride The Lightning", and "Master Of Puppets". The last one is
        the legendary classic that set the standard for fast metal and all, but I
        somewhat prefer the fuller sound of "Ride The Lightning." Both albums are
        very similar in content; it just depends on whether you like your sound
        lean and mean, or with a bit more 80's style reverb on your guitars.

        Queensryche - I'm only familiar with the first self-titled album, and
        their first full-length album "The Warning". I vastly prefer the very
        first release. Probably because it sounds a lot like Iron Maiden. It's
        harder and meaner than the power ballads and prog-pop-metal that
        Queensryche are best known for. (I've never actually heard "Operation:
        Mindcrime" or anything after "The Warning", so I may be wrong about their
        later musical style.)

        Motorhead - I think the compilation "No Remorse" is all anybody needs to
        get the best of the early Motorhead years. I think it came out around
        1984 or so. Certainly they did some great stuff afterwards, but that's
        the album I keep coming back to for my Motorhead fix. The original albums
        always seem to have half a dozen filler songs for every good one.

        Judas Priest - The only Priest album I owned was "Screaming For
        Vengeance", and I only liked a couple of songs on it. Probably a
        "greatest hits" package of some kind would be the best way to hear them.
        A quick glance at amazon.com shows "Best Of: Living After Midnight". It
        has most of their best-known songs, except my favorites Hell Bent For
        Leather and The Ripper. But it does have two excellent cover tunes: The
        Green Manalishi, and Diamonds And Rust.

        My 2 pence worth.

        (A glimpse into my quirky tastes in music: I'm sitting here listening to
        Judas Priest audio clips off the internet, and listening to America's
        "Horse With No Name" on a cd at the same time. And liking them both.)

        --- RSW
        The Niagara Frontier
        www.raymondscottwoolson.com


        Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!

      • Jen
        Thanks for your insight on different metal bands that I should check out! :) I will try to listen more online to find out the type of metal I like...it s
        Message 3 of 26 , Feb 12, 2006
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          Thanks for your insight on different metal bands that I should check
          out! :) I will try to listen more online to find out the "type" of
          metal I like...it's all very subjective though; I've read some
          reviews about certain metal bands that sound good, and then I'll
          listen to song-bits online and be like, no way, I don't like them
          (possibly Mastodon? I just recall not being impressed even though
          they're being touted by the music press as the big thing in current
          metal scene)...but thanks for giving me a partial roadmap of what to
          look into.

          Off-hand I would say I don't like the tunes to be too sludgy, dirgy,
          or bowels-of-Hell noise. I might like base-heavy riffs, frentic
          guitar solos, distinctive vocalist - either high-pitched screaming or
          deep 'n' powerful, but understandable vocals...I do want to check out
          more Norweigan bands and see what the 'sound' is like...

          Oh, and "ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal" (your quote) sounds
          interesting - it just has to be the right vocalist - once again, too
          subjective! I'll send back a report once I find out more... :)

          Jen

          PS Yes, the previous message and reply did end up running together,
          but I think my part had the "<" symbols in front.



          --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lebo"
          <meddle712002@...> wrote:
          >
          > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Heya - I've heard about Celtic Frost - but I haven't heard a
          single
          > > song by them. When you say the lead singer has one of best
          vocals
          > > in death metal, do you mean his voice is all deep 'n' growly 'n'
          > > grim - like coming from the depths of depravity? I thought
          Celtic
          > > Frost had a "clean" guitar sound - am I wrong? Tell me more! :)
          > >
          > > I'm not sure who here knows their death metal and speed metal,
          but
          > > what bands, do you think, are the best in those branches of
          metal?
          > > I like speed, and I like power, and I like emotion, but they have
          to
          > > be at the service of good, coherent song-writing (I think) - so
          that
          > > I can actually "follow" the song and remember it! LOL
          > > Well, it depends on what lp your talking about. Morbid Tales Tom
          > kinda grunts his vocals not real deep like Morbid Angel though. I
          > don't know who to use as a reference.You can make out his vocals and
          > the gruntin' isn't overbearing. He doesn't growl like a bear. I find
          > that bit a little corny. My ex-girlfriend, didn't like much metal I
          > played(big indie-pop fan Deathcab and the like) she liked Frost,
          > because the vocals weren't growly and you can kinda understand what
          he
          > was saying. Still the lyric sheet is recommended because the music
          > overbears the vocals and gruntin' is kinda hard to understand. He's
          > swiss so sometimes his accent and inflections get in the way, some
          > mis-pronounciations which can be funny. For instance Procreation Of
          > The Wicked comes out prah-creation of the wicked. Down load some
          > tunes. Check out Necromantical Screams, Circle Of The Tyrants, Into
          > Crypts of Rays, Jewel Throne, Visual Aggression, Suicidal winds,
          > Innocence and Wrath/The Usurper, Morbid Tales. They also did a cover
          > of Wall Of Voodoo's Mexican Radio,which is funny. They did Dean
          > Martin's Chapel In The Moonlight (gotta check that one out), Bryan
          > Ferry's This island Earth and Bowie's Heroes, which is okay, not
          > great. Out of all of them, I prefer Chapel, then Mexican Radio, The
          Ferry.
          > Into The Pandemonium was their art-metal masterpiece. Touches of
          the
          > Dead Can Dance influence is more apparent (Tom and the bass player
          > Martin ain were huge fans) I also dig that Tom's an admirer of Frank
          > Sinatra and Roxy Music. I think this album definitely helped pave
          the
          > way for ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal. Cold Lake, avoid
          like
          > the plague. This was their Celtic Crue period, maybe a couple good
          > tunes but, gawd, that cover? purple and pink? Teased hair? On Frost
          > Product? Hey they wanted to evolve, so, out with the black, in with
          > the...glitter?
          > As far as deathmetal goes when it was hitting it's peak, I lost
          > interest in
          > metal, still liked what I knew, though, so, I'm not an authority on
          > it. I don't like Cannibal Corpse much.Entombed I haven't listened
          to,
          > I remember when they came out though. Scant hearings of Morbid
          Angel.
          > When all this was going on I was getting into Can and Faust a lot of
          > jazz. So, metal? Nah, i got tired of it. There was no more real
          > innovation in metal anymore. It got boring. I didn't turn to grunge
          > for relief. That sounded metal to me. I've always been into arty
          > avantgardy proggy music more than metal anyway. How can anybody call
          > Voivod a hairmetal band? Because they wore their hair long, but
          that's
          > all. they were no Motley Crue or
          > Poison for sure. They hit big when they did a cover of Floyd's
          > Astronomie Domine. There was a very cool video for it, and emptee
          vee
          > played it on a daily basis. The Nothingface lp is great! They were
          too
          > weird for the average metal listener. Like the average Zep fan's
          > reaction to King Crimson. I like some Carcass, god, to understand
          some
          > of their lyrics you need a medical encyclopedia.
          > You like the Norwegian bands? I like Emperor, my problem with them
          was
          > the sound was atmospheric but wasn't mixed well. You got all this
          loud
          > bombastic echo but the vocals and sometimes the guitars are hard to
          > make out. Hey, sounds like MBV, huh? Still some tunes are worth
          > checking out. Some of the tunes are supremely eerie. Ancient Queen
          is
          > muddy sounding but a great tune nonetheless, Heh, the singer sounds
          > like an evil papa smurf, but this tune is dark. There's cool echo
          and
          > delay on the vocals, a nice effect. So, Wrath Of the Tyrant a little
          > hard to listen too but some great tunes esp. the first half. Into
          The
          > Nightside Eclipse has some great tunes but again the recording is
          > sub-par. Anthyms To The Welkin At Dusk is like Vagner metal very
          > majestic sounding in places also
          > Isahns vocals were getting better at this time I think, varying his
          > styles of singing more melodic and such. Hey, I like the evil papa
          > smurf, but, you gotta have something else too. Recording on Anthems
          is
          > a little better, but needs work, They made two more, Equlibrium IX
          > which is good. Great guitar and the sound is improved and then
          > Prometheus And Discipline which is good but I like Equilibrium a
          > little better.
          > Satyricon I like more, mainly because they got better at mixing the
          > sound. I have and really dig, Shadowthrone, Nemesis Devina, and
          > Volcano. Volcano is slagged off by some of the old fans as being a
          > sellout. I don't understand why. It doesn't sound remotely
          commercial
          > to me. Okay, Fuel For Hatred has an upbeat rythym, but, c'mon
          commercial?
          > Satyricon is really big and bombastic and atmospheric sounding
          stuff.
          > Just the way I like it. Darkthrone has some good stuff. For my
          money,
          > I like Transylvanian Hunger the best. That one is slagged of by some
          > as trendy. I don't know about that. I think it's their most
          appealing.
          >
        • Jen
          Hey RSW - Thanks for your 2 pence! :) This definitely helps me out because I know more about these bands than other metal bands, so I have some context for
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            Hey RSW - Thanks for your 2 pence! :) This definitely helps me out
            because I know more about these bands than other metal bands, so I
            have some context for understanding what you're saying about each
            band.

            The idea of going for 'Greatest Hits' packages for some of these
            bands sounds like a good idea. I don't feel like drowning in filler;
            I just want killer songs, especially in the metal genre. ;)

            Jen

            --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, rswappleton@... wrote:
            >
            > Jen said - "Which albums do you think are "best" for a relative
            newbie
            > wanting to hear Iron Maiden, Metallica, Queensryche, Motorhead, and
            Judas
            > Priest? I think those are the bands that have interested me the
            most
            > over the years, for "metal" bands."
            >
            > Hmm, my favorite Iron Maiden album is "Piece Of Mind", but I think
            > "Number Of The Beast" is probably the most melodic and accessible of
            > their early classic albums. Songs like The Prisoner, Run To The
            Hills,
            > Children Of The Damned, and Hallowed Be Thy Name all have great
            hooks and
            > a depth of emotion to them that is too often missing in heavy music.
            >
            > Metallica - Well, it depends on which Metallica era you prefer. I
            like
            > the songs Enter Sandman and King Nothing, but the only Metallica
            albums I
            > own are "Ride The Lightning", and "Master Of Puppets". The last one
            is
            > the legendary classic that set the standard for fast metal and all,
            but I
            > somewhat prefer the fuller sound of "Ride The Lightning." Both
            albums are
            > very similar in content; it just depends on whether you like your
            sound
            > lean and mean, or with a bit more 80's style reverb on your guitars.
            >
            > Queensryche - I'm only familiar with the first self-titled album,
            and
            > their first full-length album "The Warning". I vastly prefer the
            very
            > first release. Probably because it sounds a lot like Iron Maiden.
            It's
            > harder and meaner than the power ballads and prog-pop-metal that
            > Queensryche are best known for. (I've never actually
            heard "Operation:
            > Mindcrime" or anything after "The Warning", so I may be wrong about
            their
            > later musical style.)
            >
            > Motorhead - I think the compilation "No Remorse" is all anybody
            needs to
            > get the best of the early Motorhead years. I think it came out
            around
            > 1984 or so. Certainly they did some great stuff afterwards, but
            that's
            > the album I keep coming back to for my Motorhead fix. The original
            albums
            > always seem to have half a dozen filler songs for every good one.
            >
            > Judas Priest - The only Priest album I owned was "Screaming For
            > Vengeance", and I only liked a couple of songs on it. Probably a
            > "greatest hits" package of some kind would be the best way to hear
            them.
            > A quick glance at amazon.com shows "Best Of: Living After
            Midnight". It
            > has most of their best-known songs, except my favorites Hell Bent
            For
            > Leather and The Ripper. But it does have two excellent cover tunes:
            The
            > Green Manalishi, and Diamonds And Rust.
            >
            > My 2 pence worth.
            >
            > (A glimpse into my quirky tastes in music: I'm sitting here
            listening to
            > Judas Priest audio clips off the internet, and listening to
            America's
            > "Horse With No Name" on a cd at the same time. And liking them
            both.)
            >
            > --- RSW
            > The Niagara Frontier
            > www.raymondscottwoolson.com
            >
          • Jen
            Hiya - If you get (have gotten) the NME Slowdive retrospective, can you give a lil recap here of what those crazy cats at the NME are saying? Do they give
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              Hiya - If you get (have gotten) the NME Slowdive retrospective, can
              you give a lil recap here of what those crazy cats at the NME are
              saying? Do they give props to any other S-gazer bands? Just
              curious, and as I'm snowed in, I won't be getting to a book
              (magazine) store anytime soon! :0

              Jen

              --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, Jon Gordon
              <chateau_distorted@...> wrote:
              >
              > Looking over this thread makes me realise that the similarities
              betweeen Metal and S-gaze are far more a matter of equipment rather
              than songwriting or playing ability: Les Paul Standard + Marshall amp
              = Loveless / Use Your Illusion while Gretsch + Mesa Boogie = Stoned
              And Dethroned / ...... er, your metal types never seem to use Gretsch
              or Aria or Hamer or any of those 'indie' type guitars do they?
              Famously the JAMC smashed up a very expensive big red Gibson semi-
              acoustic onstage (the notorious Lewisham Poly riot incident) and were
              promptly dropped by Creation for costing McGee a whole weeks lunch
              money.
              > And don't miss this weeks NME (UK edition) for a seriously late
              Slowdive retrospective bandwagon hop.
              >
              > rswappleton@... wrote:
              > Jen said - "Which albums do you think are "best" for a relative
              newbie
              > wanting to hear Iron Maiden, Metallica, Queensryche, Motorhead, and
              Judas
              > Priest? I think those are the bands that have interested me the
              most
              > over the years, for "metal" bands."
              >
              > Hmm, my favorite Iron Maiden album is "Piece Of Mind", but I think
              > "Number Of The Beast" is probably the most melodic and accessible of
              > their early classic albums. Songs like The Prisoner, Run To The
              Hills,
              > Children Of The Damned, and Hallowed Be Thy Name all have great
              hooks and
              > a depth of emotion to them that is too often missing in heavy music.
              >
              > Metallica - Well, it depends on which Metallica era you prefer. I
              like
              > the songs Enter Sandman and King Nothing, but the only Metallica
              albums I
              > own are "Ride The Lightning", and "Master Of Puppets". The last one
              is
              > the legendary classic that set the standard for fast metal and all,
              but I
              > somewhat prefer the fuller sound of "Ride The Lightning." Both
              albums are
              > very similar in content; it just depends on whether you like your
              sound
              > lean and mean, or with a bit more 80's style reverb on your guitars.
              >
              > Queensryche - I'm only familiar with the first self-titled album,
              and
              > their first full-length album "The Warning". I vastly prefer the
              very
              > first release. Probably because it sounds a lot like Iron Maiden.
              It's
              > harder and meaner than the power ballads and prog-pop-metal that
              > Queensryche are best known for. (I've never actually
              heard "Operation:
              > Mindcrime" or anything after "The Warning", so I may be wrong about
              their
              > later musical style.)
              >
              > Motorhead - I think the compilation "No Remorse" is all anybody
              needs to
              > get the best of the early Motorhead years. I think it came out
              around
              > 1984 or so. Certainly they did some great stuff afterwards, but
              that's
              > the album I keep coming back to for my Motorhead fix. The original
              albums
              > always seem to have half a dozen filler songs for every good one.
              >
              > Judas Priest - The only Priest album I owned was "Screaming For
              > Vengeance", and I only liked a couple of songs on it. Probably a
              > "greatest hits" package of some kind would be the best way to hear
              them.
              > A quick glance at amazon.com shows "Best Of: Living After
              Midnight". It
              > has most of their best-known songs, except my favorites Hell Bent
              For
              > Leather and The Ripper. But it does have two excellent cover tunes:
              The
              > Green Manalishi, and Diamonds And Rust.
              >
              > My 2 pence worth.
              >
              > (A glimpse into my quirky tastes in music: I'm sitting here
              listening to
              > Judas Priest audio clips off the internet, and listening to
              America's
              > "Horse With No Name" on a cd at the same time. And liking them
              both.)
              >
              > --- RSW
              > The Niagara Frontier
              > www.raymondscottwoolson.com
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            • don lebo
              Yeah, it s all hit and miss,heh, like any band. As for slow and dirgy I love early Swans, as well as later out put by Swans. I also love the Finnish doom
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                Yeah, it's all hit and miss,heh, like any band. As for slow and dirgy I love early Swans, as well as later out put by Swans.
                I also love the Finnish  doom metal band Skepticism's Lead And Athear, it get's quite beautiful in places. The first two tracks The Organium and The March and Stream sounds like right off a horror soundtrack without sounding corny, I think. Cool funeral organ  and a heavy ponderous sound this band has.  A stretch to call it metal though.  Too dirgy for the metal fans.
                onto a lighter subject, do you have the Lush compilation vids that Neil has. I'd like to get a copy, but I don't have much for trade, you and him haven't got, already, probably. I wanted to get the Lush comp 2 , we wrote each other sometime ago, but, he didn't seem interested. i have a Lush vid from 92 in London I think, the one where Miki, says, "there will be no swearing tonight", at the beginning. And I have Austin 94, I don't have a burner yet.
                I have the usual promos and live apperances along with the Curve promos  except for Ten Little Girls. Great promo that one.
                As for MBV, I have  a nifty  live comp and interview  dvd stuff from the Isn't Anything to Loveless eras. Quality on eveything is decent, not great. Early Lush shows were hard to capture on film anyway, near dark and all,judging from the crap vids I used to have. I had several and they were hard to watch. MBV played so loud that your recording was bound to be distorted. Still, surprisingly some of the MBV stuff is fairly clear. One of the interviews features Colm speaking. I've never seen him speak.
                If you want, I can make you some cd comps of the metal stuff I have for the Lush comp 2, if you have it.I'll also work on getting the  DVD 's burned or, I can send them to you to do it yourself, and you can return  them.
                 


                Jen <jdloc4@...> wrote:
                Thanks for your insight on different metal bands that I should check
                out! :)  I will try to listen more online to find out the "type" of
                metal I like...it's all very subjective though; I've read some
                reviews about certain metal bands that sound good, and then I'll
                listen to song-bits online and be like, no way, I don't like them
                (possibly Mastodon?  I just recall not being impressed even though
                they're being touted by the music press as the big thing in current
                metal scene)...but thanks for giving me a partial roadmap of what to
                look into.

                Off-hand I would say I don't like the tunes to be too sludgy, dirgy,
                or bowels-of-Hell noise.  I might like base-heavy riffs, frentic
                guitar solos, distinctive vocalist - either high-pitched screaming or
                deep 'n' powerful, but understandable vocals...I do want to check out
                more Norweigan bands and see what the 'sound' is like...

                Oh, and "ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal" (your quote) sounds
                interesting - it just has to be the right vocalist - once again, too
                subjective!  I'll send back a report once I find out more...  :)

                Jen

                PS  Yes, the previous message and reply did end up running together,
                but I think my part had the "<" symbols in front.



                --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lebo"
                <meddle712002@...> wrote:
                >
                > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Heya -  I've heard about Celtic Frost - but I haven't heard a
                single
                > > song by them.  When you say the lead singer has one of best
                vocals
                > > in death metal, do you mean his voice is all deep 'n' growly 'n'
                > > grim - like coming from the depths of depravity?  I thought
                Celtic
                > > Frost had a "clean" guitar sound - am I wrong?  Tell me more!  :)
                > >
                > > I'm not sure who here knows their death metal and speed metal,
                but
                > > what bands, do you think, are the best in those branches of
                metal? 
                > > I like speed, and I like power, and I like emotion, but they have
                to
                > > be at the service of good, coherent song-writing (I think) - so
                that
                > > I can actually "follow" the song and remember it! LOL
                > > Well, it depends on what lp your talking about. Morbid Tales Tom
                > kinda grunts his vocals not real deep like Morbid Angel though. I
                > don't know who to use as a reference.You can make out his vocals and
                > the gruntin' isn't overbearing. He doesn't growl like a bear. I find
                > that bit a little corny. My ex-girlfriend, didn't like much metal I
                > played(big indie-pop fan Deathcab and the like) she liked Frost,
                > because the vocals weren't growly and you can kinda understand what
                he
                > was saying. Still the lyric sheet is recommended because the music
                > overbears the vocals and gruntin' is kinda hard to understand. He's
                > swiss so sometimes his accent and inflections get in the way, some
                > mis-pronounciations which can be funny. For instance Procreation Of
                > The Wicked comes out prah-creation of the wicked. Down load some
                > tunes. Check out Necromantical Screams, Circle Of The Tyrants, Into
                > Crypts of Rays, Jewel Throne, Visual Aggression, Suicidal winds,
                > Innocence and Wrath/The Usurper, Morbid Tales. They also did a cover
                > of Wall Of Voodoo's Mexican Radio,which is funny. They did Dean
                > Martin's Chapel In The Moonlight (gotta check that one out), Bryan
                > Ferry's This island Earth and Bowie's Heroes, which is okay, not
                > great. Out of all of them, I prefer Chapel, then Mexican Radio, The
                Ferry.
                >   Into The Pandemonium was their art-metal masterpiece. Touches of
                the
                > Dead Can Dance influence is more apparent (Tom and the bass player
                > Martin ain were huge fans) I also dig that Tom's an admirer of Frank
                > Sinatra and Roxy Music. I think this album definitely helped pave
                the
                > way for ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal. Cold Lake, avoid
                like
                > the plague. This was their Celtic Crue period, maybe a couple good
                > tunes but, gawd, that cover? purple and pink? Teased hair? On Frost
                > Product? Hey they wanted to evolve, so, out with the black, in with
                > the...glitter?
                > As far as deathmetal goes when it was hitting it's peak, I lost
                > interest in
                > metal, still liked what I knew, though, so, I'm not an authority on
                > it. I don't like Cannibal Corpse much.Entombed I haven't listened
                to,
                > I remember when they came out though. Scant hearings of Morbid
                Angel.
                > When all this was going on I was getting into Can and Faust a lot of
                > jazz. So, metal? Nah, i got tired of it. There was no more real
                > innovation in metal anymore. It got boring. I didn't turn to grunge
                > for relief. That sounded metal to me.  I've always been into arty
                > avantgardy proggy music more than metal anyway. How can anybody call
                > Voivod a hairmetal band? Because they wore their hair long, but
                that's
                > all. they were no Motley Crue or
                > Poison for sure. They hit big when they did a cover of Floyd's
                > Astronomie Domine. There was a very cool video for it, and emptee
                vee
                > played it on a daily basis. The Nothingface lp is great! They were
                too
                > weird for the average metal listener. Like the average Zep fan's
                > reaction to King Crimson. I like some Carcass, god, to understand
                some
                > of their lyrics you need a medical encyclopedia.
                > You like the Norwegian bands? I like Emperor, my problem with them
                was
                > the sound was atmospheric but wasn't mixed well. You got all this
                loud
                > bombastic echo but the vocals and sometimes the guitars are hard to
                > make out. Hey, sounds like MBV, huh? Still some tunes are worth
                > checking out. Some of the tunes are supremely eerie. Ancient Queen
                is
                > muddy sounding but a great tune nonetheless, Heh, the singer sounds
                > like an evil papa smurf, but this tune is dark. There's cool echo
                and
                > delay on the vocals, a nice effect. So, Wrath Of the Tyrant a little
                > hard to listen too but some great tunes esp. the first half. Into
                The
                > Nightside Eclipse has some great tunes but again the recording is
                > sub-par. Anthyms To The Welkin At Dusk is like Vagner metal very
                > majestic sounding in places also
                > Isahns vocals were getting better at this time I think, varying his
                > styles of singing more melodic and such. Hey, I like the evil papa
                > smurf, but, you gotta have something else too. Recording on Anthems
                is
                > a little better, but needs work, They made two more, Equlibrium IX
                > which is good. Great guitar and the sound is improved and then
                > Prometheus And Discipline which is good but I like Equilibrium a
                > little better.
                > Satyricon I like more, mainly because they got better at mixing the
                > sound. I have and really dig, Shadowthrone, Nemesis Devina, and
                > Volcano. Volcano is slagged off by some of the old fans as being a
                > sellout. I don't understand why. It doesn't sound remotely
                commercial
                > to me. Okay, Fuel For Hatred has an upbeat rythym, but, c'mon
                commercial?
                > Satyricon is really big and bombastic and atmospheric sounding
                stuff.
                > Just the way I like it. Darkthrone has some good stuff. For my
                money,
                > I like Transylvanian Hunger the best. That one is slagged of by some
                > as trendy. I don't know about that. I think it's their most
                appealing.
                >







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                  Regarding the Lush videos...

                  Anyone interested in Lush videos is invited to visit my Lush video
                  page at:

                  http://members.cox.net/kneel/lushvids.html.

                  I'm always interested in a trade as long we're both receiving
                  something in which we're interested. My wantlist is linked. I also
                  have a few live shows that I put onto DVD.

                  Regards

                  Neil
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                  P.S. Keep the lists coming...love 'em!


                  > onto a lighter subject, do you have the Lush compilation vids that
                  Neil has. I'd like to get a copy, but I don't have much for trade,
                  you and him haven't got, already, probably. I wanted to get the Lush
                  comp 2 , we wrote each other sometime ago, but, he didn't seem
                  interested. i have a Lush vid from 92 in London I think, the one
                  where Miki, says, "there will be no swearing tonight", at the
                  beginning. And I have Austin 94, I don't have a burner yet.

                  > If you want, I can make you some cd comps of the metal stuff I
                  have for the Lush comp 2, if you have it.I'll also work on getting
                  the DVD 's burned or, I can send them to you to do it yourself, and
                  you can return them.
                • Jen
                  Sorry for the duplicate postings of this article; here is the complete Slowdive Retrospective article from NME, typed out by chateau_distorted : You might
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                    Sorry for the duplicate postings of this article; here is the
                    complete Slowdive Retrospective article from NME, typed out
                    by "chateau_distorted":


                    You might remember that in the late 80's early 90's shoegaze press
                    was almost entirely handled through the Melody Maker, which is where
                    the whole 'scene that celebrates itself ' ethos had its apparently
                    natural home. A recently published collection of NME articles from
                    the 1990's proves this - the magazine includes reprints of early
                    features on Suede, Pulp, Oasis, Supergrass, with only a token
                    mention for Lush, and a slightly begrudged piece on Blur. Anyhow
                    here's the full article (250 words or so) ....

                    REISSUE OF THE WEEK
                    The sonic cathedral's patron saints get a welcome revisit

                    SLOWDIVE
                    Souvlaki (Castle)

                    Time for some time-travel. The year is 1993, and it's only a matter
                    of time before My Bloody Valentine effectively bankrupt Alan McGee's
                    Creation Records. Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell are the central
                    couple at the heart of Slowdive - a Reading-based group named after
                    a Siouxsie And The Banshees song; but whose Year Zero, musicwise, is
                    the Jesus And Marychain's psychotic feedback pop. Slowdive have
                    effectively flipped the script with 'Souvlaki' as Suede's star is on
                    the rise, and the 'shoegazing' movement they're shackled to has
                    crashed and burned. With peers like Chapterhouse,Lush, Ride, Moose
                    and many more, Slowdive have ventured beyond prosaic limitiation, to
                    capture love in a void, love in the abyss, love lost, love split,
                    love reformed ...
                    If all this carries a faint hint of pretentiousnes, just recall the
                    purple prose that greeted 'Souvlaki' on its inception. A new
                    generation needs to be pointed in the direction of the possibilities
                    of guitars, beyond honest-joe, meat 'n' potatoes, lumpen rock 'n'
                    roll. This is sound as crystal:a lesson in how to stay forever young
                    in spirit: in how to appear and disappear at will: and in how to
                    make a state of nothingness count.
                    Although long ridiculed for staring downwards at effects pedals
                    onstage ('shoegazing'), and, in effect, being anti-entertainment,
                    Slowdive's power is in the sound-pictures. Anti-image as image.
                    With 'Melon Yellow's' backwards-masked rhythms and guitars as
                    keyboards, Slowdive seem to have stepped outside time altogether,
                    and just drifted along on pure bliss.
                    In 2006, the incredible 'Souvlaki Space Station' retains the
                    currency of innovation - ambient dub that's not pretend-Jamaican but
                    with a depth-charge bassline, and the sonics and voices fused as
                    one. 'Moussaka Chaos' presents itself as '...Space Station"s reverse
                    image, a dub of a dub,if you like.
                    Ambient pioneer Brian Eno's production hands are in here too.
                    For 'Sing' he replaces the trademark guitar washes and swooshes with
                    bleeps and squiggles. Slowdive's music, to reiterate, is music you
                    can see. The way 'Machine Gun' floats off in the clouds; the dream-
                    state recording of 'So Tired' that approximates slipping in and out
                    of consciousness, in and out of focus ...
                    So, 13 years ago,'Alison' had heavenly harmonies and melodies,
                    guitars that spoke in various tongues, and a musical whole that just
                    swirled around your solar plexus, at the requisite volume. To bring
                    Slowdive back now is to return to a virtual-reality drug-induced
                    haze made by people who don't take drugs. It's also to resurrect the
                    contrast between Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell's delicate, but
                    never wispy, voices. But timing is everything: theirs is a world
                    that has been resurrected in recent years by the likes of Autolux
                    and Engineers, Sigur Ros and Ulrich Schnauss. Nu-gaze it may be, but
                    it owes a debt to the past.
                    Mediate on how the closing 'Dagger' changes everything around again,
                    as Slowdive go acoustic - an ode to the closeness of a relationship
                    that mixes empathy and sympathy, noises and silences. Just like real
                    life,only enhanced even more. To think it all somehow still seems
                    like a passing dream ...

                    Dele Fadele



                    WHAT NME SAID (THEN)
                    Slowdive have banished the barriers restricting creativity. They're
                    here to peddle an otherworldly noise which thrives on trembling
                    shapes and tumbling dimensions, where atmosphere - drenched
                    dramatics coalesce with shimmering with shimmering distortion to
                    induce sublime, elegant swirls. When they really relax, Slowdive can
                    make Cocteau Twins sound like Mudhoney.
                    Slowdive wield a double-edge sword, Slowdive epitomise the calm
                    after the headsplitting feedback-spitting guitar storm. Yeah,
                    Slowdive sound like sky

                    February 23, 1991
                    Simon Williams



                    Jen <jdloc4@...> wrote:
                    Hiya - If you get (have gotten) the NME Slowdive retrospective, can
                    you give a lil recap here of what those crazy cats at the NME are
                    saying? Do they give props to any other S-gazer bands? Just
                    curious, and as I'm snowed in, I won't be getting to a book
                    (magazine) store anytime soon! :0

                    Jen

                    --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, Jon Gordon
                    <chateau_distorted@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Looking over this thread makes me realise that the similarities
                    betweeen Metal and S-gaze are far more a matter of equipment rather
                    than songwriting or playing ability: Les Paul Standard + Marshall
                    amp
                    = Loveless / Use Your Illusion while Gretsch + Mesa Boogie = Stoned
                    And Dethroned / ...... er, your metal types never seem to use
                    Gretsch
                    or Aria or Hamer or any of those 'indie' type guitars do they?
                    Famously the JAMC smashed up a very expensive big red Gibson semi-
                    acoustic onstage (the notorious Lewisham Poly riot incident) and
                    were
                    promptly dropped by Creation for costing McGee a whole weeks lunch
                    money.
                    > And don't miss this weeks NME (UK edition) for a seriously late
                    Slowdive retrospective bandwagon hop.
                  • Jen
                    Thank you so much for typing and posting this article! :) Interesting to read, with some thoughts being in line with my own, but others going off in a
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                      Thank you so much for typing and posting this article! :)
                      Interesting to read, with some thoughts being in line with my own,
                      but others going off in a different direction...

                      Here's the thing: I think the 1st half of the Souvlaki album is
                      brilliant - and most of the 2nd half is a crashing bore (with the
                      exception of the Some Velvet Morning cover and the low-key Dagger).
                      I know the album is trumpeted as a masterpiece, especially in
                      retrospect, but the songs Altogether and Mellon Yellow are half-
                      baked and drab and don't sound like shoegazer tunes - and the last 3
                      songs are knob-twiddling, repetitive, electronica-lite, and once
                      again, are not glorious shoegazer tunes, like the beginning of album.

                      Moving on to this NME article, the reviewer talks about 2 songs that
                      aren't even on Souvlaki - Moussaka Chaos and Sing! Two great songs
                      that were on the Outside Your Room ep...

                      Of course, it being the NME (or even if was Melody Maker), we get a
                      lot of precious, pretentious purple prose - but a lot of it is
                      actually spot on because most of the early songs of Slowdive do
                      ascend to the sky and do swirl and spiral away. What's great about
                      most of Souvlaki (compared to their 1st album Just for a Day or
                      their forays into electronia) is that there are *actual* songs on
                      the album - hummable, catchy tunes, that, even though most go on
                      past that 3-minute-pop-song mark, are still memorable and grandly
                      melancholy or uplifting. Encapsulate Souvlaki Space Station in pill
                      form and we'd all be walking around happy and feeling strangely
                      buoyant...LOL

                      Ok, enough of my purple prose...What do you all think of this
                      article and/or Slowdive and/or Souvlaki album?

                      Jen


                      --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@...>
                      wrote:
                      >
                      > Sorry for the duplicate postings of this article; here is the
                      > complete Slowdive Retrospective article from NME, typed out
                      > by "chateau_distorted":
                      >
                      >
                      > You might remember that in the late 80's early 90's shoegaze press
                      > was almost entirely handled through the Melody Maker, which is
                      where
                      > the whole 'scene that celebrates itself ' ethos had its apparently
                      > natural home. A recently published collection of NME articles from
                      > the 1990's proves this - the magazine includes reprints of early
                      > features on Suede, Pulp, Oasis, Supergrass, with only a token
                      > mention for Lush, and a slightly begrudged piece on Blur. Anyhow
                      > here's the full article (250 words or so) ....
                      >
                      > REISSUE OF THE WEEK
                      > The sonic cathedral's patron saints get a welcome revisit
                      >
                      > SLOWDIVE
                      > Souvlaki (Castle)
                      >
                      > Time for some time-travel. The year is 1993, and it's only a
                      matter
                      > of time before My Bloody Valentine effectively bankrupt Alan
                      McGee's
                      > Creation Records. Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell are the central
                      > couple at the heart of Slowdive - a Reading-based group named
                      after
                      > a Siouxsie And The Banshees song; but whose Year Zero, musicwise,
                      is
                      > the Jesus And Marychain's psychotic feedback pop. Slowdive have
                      > effectively flipped the script with 'Souvlaki' as Suede's star is
                      on
                      > the rise, and the 'shoegazing' movement they're shackled to has
                      > crashed and burned. With peers like Chapterhouse,Lush, Ride, Moose
                      > and many more, Slowdive have ventured beyond prosaic limitiation,
                      to
                      > capture love in a void, love in the abyss, love lost, love split,
                      > love reformed ...
                      > If all this carries a faint hint of pretentiousnes, just recall
                      the
                      > purple prose that greeted 'Souvlaki' on its inception. A new
                      > generation needs to be pointed in the direction of the
                      possibilities
                      > of guitars, beyond honest-joe, meat 'n' potatoes, lumpen rock 'n'
                      > roll. This is sound as crystal:a lesson in how to stay forever
                      young
                      > in spirit: in how to appear and disappear at will: and in how to
                      > make a state of nothingness count.
                      > Although long ridiculed for staring downwards at effects pedals
                      > onstage ('shoegazing'), and, in effect, being anti-entertainment,
                      > Slowdive's power is in the sound-pictures. Anti-image as image.
                      > With 'Melon Yellow's' backwards-masked rhythms and guitars as
                      > keyboards, Slowdive seem to have stepped outside time altogether,
                      > and just drifted along on pure bliss.
                      > In 2006, the incredible 'Souvlaki Space Station' retains the
                      > currency of innovation - ambient dub that's not pretend-Jamaican
                      but
                      > with a depth-charge bassline, and the sonics and voices fused as
                      > one. 'Moussaka Chaos' presents itself as '...Space Station"s
                      reverse
                      > image, a dub of a dub,if you like.
                      > Ambient pioneer Brian Eno's production hands are in here too.
                      > For 'Sing' he replaces the trademark guitar washes and swooshes
                      with
                      > bleeps and squiggles. Slowdive's music, to reiterate, is music you
                      > can see. The way 'Machine Gun' floats off in the clouds; the dream-
                      > state recording of 'So Tired' that approximates slipping in and
                      out
                      > of consciousness, in and out of focus ...
                      > So, 13 years ago,'Alison' had heavenly harmonies and melodies,
                      > guitars that spoke in various tongues, and a musical whole that
                      just
                      > swirled around your solar plexus, at the requisite volume. To
                      bring
                      > Slowdive back now is to return to a virtual-reality drug-induced
                      > haze made by people who don't take drugs. It's also to resurrect
                      the
                      > contrast between Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell's delicate, but
                      > never wispy, voices. But timing is everything: theirs is a world
                      > that has been resurrected in recent years by the likes of Autolux
                      > and Engineers, Sigur Ros and Ulrich Schnauss. Nu-gaze it may be,
                      but
                      > it owes a debt to the past.
                      > Mediate on how the closing 'Dagger' changes everything around
                      again,
                      > as Slowdive go acoustic - an ode to the closeness of a
                      relationship
                      > that mixes empathy and sympathy, noises and silences. Just like
                      real
                      > life,only enhanced even more. To think it all somehow still seems
                      > like a passing dream ...
                      >
                      > Dele Fadele
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > WHAT NME SAID (THEN)
                      > Slowdive have banished the barriers restricting creativity.
                      They're
                      > here to peddle an otherworldly noise which thrives on trembling
                      > shapes and tumbling dimensions, where atmosphere - drenched
                      > dramatics coalesce with shimmering with shimmering distortion to
                      > induce sublime, elegant swirls. When they really relax, Slowdive
                      can
                      > make Cocteau Twins sound like Mudhoney.
                      > Slowdive wield a double-edge sword, Slowdive epitomise the calm
                      > after the headsplitting feedback-spitting guitar storm. Yeah,
                      > Slowdive sound like sky
                      >
                      > February 23, 1991
                      > Simon Williams
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Jen <jdloc4@...> wrote:
                      > Hiya - If you get (have gotten) the NME Slowdive retrospective,
                      can
                      > you give a lil recap here of what those crazy cats at the NME are
                      > saying? Do they give props to any other S-gazer bands? Just
                      > curious, and as I'm snowed in, I won't be getting to a book
                      > (magazine) store anytime soon! :0
                      >
                      > Jen
                      >
                      > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, Jon Gordon
                      > <chateau_distorted@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Looking over this thread makes me realise that the similarities
                      > betweeen Metal and S-gaze are far more a matter of equipment
                      rather
                      > than songwriting or playing ability: Les Paul Standard + Marshall
                      > amp
                      > = Loveless / Use Your Illusion while Gretsch + Mesa Boogie =
                      Stoned
                      > And Dethroned / ...... er, your metal types never seem to use
                      > Gretsch
                      > or Aria or Hamer or any of those 'indie' type guitars do they?
                      > Famously the JAMC smashed up a very expensive big red Gibson semi-
                      > acoustic onstage (the notorious Lewisham Poly riot incident) and
                      > were
                      > promptly dropped by Creation for costing McGee a whole weeks lunch
                      > money.
                      > > And don't miss this weeks NME (UK edition) for a seriously
                      late
                      > Slowdive retrospective bandwagon hop.
                      >
                    • Jen
                      Oh, hey - I have a Swans story for you - except it has nothing to do with Swans, except that I went to a gig of theirs (well, of Michael s, because it was only
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                        Oh, hey - I have a Swans story for you - except it has nothing to do
                        with Swans, except that I went to a gig of theirs (well, of
                        Michael's, because it was only him that night) back in the early
                        90s. I'll be posting that soon. It might make you chuckle; it
                        might bore you to death. We'll see. ;)

                        I'm sure you've seen Neil's post here; unfortuately I can't
                        tape/copy anything because I am in the Dark Ages and only have a VCR
                        and a DVD player - no burn equipment, etc...

                        Your best bet is to correspond with Neil and get something specific
                        off his Want List to do a trade for Lush videos. I hope that will
                        work out! :)

                        On a Curve note, you mentioned having promos by them; do you mean
                        all their actual videos? Just curious, as that is something I would
                        be into...

                        Jen



                        --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, don lebo
                        <meddle712002@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Yeah, it's all hit and miss,heh, like any band. As for slow and
                        dirgy I love early Swans, as well as later out put by Swans.
                        > I also love the Finnish doom metal band Skepticism's Lead And
                        Athear, it get's quite beautiful in places. The first two tracks
                        The Organium and The March and Stream sounds like right off a
                        horror soundtrack without sounding corny, I think. Cool funeral
                        organ and a heavy ponderous sound this band has. A stretch to
                        call it metal though. Too dirgy for the metal fans.
                        > onto a lighter subject, do you have the Lush compilation vids
                        that Neil has. I'd like to get a copy, but I don't have much for
                        trade, you and him haven't got, already, probably. I wanted to get
                        the Lush comp 2 , we wrote each other sometime ago, but, he didn't
                        seem interested. i have a Lush vid from 92 in London I think, the
                        one where Miki, says, "there will be no swearing tonight", at the
                        beginning. And I have Austin 94, I don't have a burner yet.
                        > I have the usual promos and live apperances along with the Curve
                        promos except for Ten Little Girls. Great promo that one.
                        > As for MBV, I have a nifty live comp and interview dvd stuff
                        from the Isn't Anything to Loveless eras. Quality on eveything is
                        decent, not great. Early Lush shows were hard to capture on film
                        anyway, near dark and all,judging from the crap vids I used to
                        have. I had several and they were hard to watch. MBV played so loud
                        that your recording was bound to be distorted. Still, surprisingly
                        some of the MBV stuff is fairly clear. One of the interviews
                        features Colm speaking. I've never seen him speak.
                        > If you want, I can make you some cd comps of the metal stuff I
                        have for the Lush comp 2, if you have it.I'll also work on getting
                        the DVD 's burned or, I can send them to you to do it yourself,
                        and you can return them.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Jen <jdloc4@...> wrote: Thanks for your insight on
                        different metal bands that I should check
                        > out! :) I will try to listen more online to find out the "type"
                        of
                        > metal I like...it's all very subjective though; I've read some
                        > reviews about certain metal bands that sound good, and then I'll
                        > listen to song-bits online and be like, no way, I don't like
                        them
                        > (possibly Mastodon? I just recall not being impressed even
                        though
                        > they're being touted by the music press as the big thing in
                        current
                        > metal scene)...but thanks for giving me a partial roadmap of
                        what to
                        > look into.
                        >
                        > Off-hand I would say I don't like the tunes to be too sludgy,
                        dirgy,
                        > or bowels-of-Hell noise. I might like base-heavy riffs, frentic
                        > guitar solos, distinctive vocalist - either high-pitched
                        screaming or
                        > deep 'n' powerful, but understandable vocals...I do want to
                        check out
                        > more Norweigan bands and see what the 'sound' is like...
                        >
                        > Oh, and "ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal" (your quote)
                        sounds
                        > interesting - it just has to be the right vocalist - once again,
                        too
                        > subjective! I'll send back a report once I find out more... :)
                        >
                        > Jen
                        >
                        > PS Yes, the previous message and reply did end up running
                        together,
                        > but I think my part had the "<" symbols in front.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lebo"
                        > <meddle712002@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@>
                        wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Heya - I've heard about Celtic Frost - but I haven't heard
                        a
                        > single
                        > > > song by them. When you say the lead singer has one of best
                        > vocals
                        > > > in death metal, do you mean his voice is all deep 'n'
                        growly 'n'
                        > > > grim - like coming from the depths of depravity? I thought
                        > Celtic
                        > > > Frost had a "clean" guitar sound - am I wrong? Tell me
                        more! :)
                        > > >
                        > > > I'm not sure who here knows their death metal and speed
                        metal,
                        > but
                        > > > what bands, do you think, are the best in those branches of
                        > metal?
                        > > > I like speed, and I like power, and I like emotion, but they
                        have
                        > to
                        > > > be at the service of good, coherent song-writing (I think) -
                        so
                        > that
                        > > > I can actually "follow" the song and remember it! LOL
                        > > > Well, it depends on what lp your talking about. Morbid Tales
                        Tom
                        > > kinda grunts his vocals not real deep like Morbid Angel
                        though. I
                        > > don't know who to use as a reference.You can make out his
                        vocals and
                        > > the gruntin' isn't overbearing. He doesn't growl like a bear.
                        I find
                        > > that bit a little corny. My ex-girlfriend, didn't like much
                        metal I
                        > > played(big indie-pop fan Deathcab and the like) she liked
                        Frost,
                        > > because the vocals weren't growly and you can kinda understand
                        what
                        > he
                        > > was saying. Still the lyric sheet is recommended because the
                        music
                        > > overbears the vocals and gruntin' is kinda hard to understand.
                        He's
                        > > swiss so sometimes his accent and inflections get in the way,
                        some
                        > > mis-pronounciations which can be funny. For instance
                        Procreation Of
                        > > The Wicked comes out prah-creation of the wicked. Down load
                        some
                        > > tunes. Check out Necromantical Screams, Circle Of The Tyrants,
                        Into
                        > > Crypts of Rays, Jewel Throne, Visual Aggression, Suicidal
                        winds,
                        > > Innocence and Wrath/The Usurper, Morbid Tales. They also did a
                        cover
                        > > of Wall Of Voodoo's Mexican Radio,which is funny. They did Dean
                        > > Martin's Chapel In The Moonlight (gotta check that one out),
                        Bryan
                        > > Ferry's This island Earth and Bowie's Heroes, which is okay,
                        not
                        > > great. Out of all of them, I prefer Chapel, then Mexican
                        Radio, The
                        > Ferry.
                        > > Into The Pandemonium was their art-metal masterpiece.
                        Touches of
                        > the
                        > > Dead Can Dance influence is more apparent (Tom and the bass
                        player
                        > > Martin ain were huge fans) I also dig that Tom's an admirer of
                        Frank
                        > > Sinatra and Roxy Music. I think this album definitely helped
                        pave
                        > the
                        > > way for ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal. Cold Lake,
                        avoid
                        > like
                        > > the plague. This was their Celtic Crue period, maybe a couple
                        good
                        > > tunes but, gawd, that cover? purple and pink? Teased hair? On
                        Frost
                        > > Product? Hey they wanted to evolve, so, out with the black, in
                        with
                        > > the...glitter?
                        > > As far as deathmetal goes when it was hitting it's peak, I lost
                        > > interest in
                        > > metal, still liked what I knew, though, so, I'm not an
                        authority on
                        > > it. I don't like Cannibal Corpse much.Entombed I haven't
                        listened
                        > to,
                        > > I remember when they came out though. Scant hearings of Morbid
                        > Angel.
                        > > When all this was going on I was getting into Can and Faust a
                        lot of
                        > > jazz. So, metal? Nah, i got tired of it. There was no more real
                        > > innovation in metal anymore. It got boring. I didn't turn to
                        grunge
                        > > for relief. That sounded metal to me. I've always been into
                        arty
                        > > avantgardy proggy music more than metal anyway. How can
                        anybody call
                        > > Voivod a hairmetal band? Because they wore their hair long,
                        but
                        > that's
                        > > all. they were no Motley Crue or
                        > > Poison for sure. They hit big when they did a cover of Floyd's
                        > > Astronomie Domine. There was a very cool video for it, and
                        emptee
                        > vee
                        > > played it on a daily basis. The Nothingface lp is great! They
                        were
                        > too
                        > > weird for the average metal listener. Like the average Zep
                        fan's
                        > > reaction to King Crimson. I like some Carcass, god, to
                        understand
                        > some
                        > > of their lyrics you need a medical encyclopedia.
                        > > You like the Norwegian bands? I like Emperor, my problem with
                        them
                        > was
                        > > the sound was atmospheric but wasn't mixed well. You got all
                        this
                        > loud
                        > > bombastic echo but the vocals and sometimes the guitars are
                        hard to
                        > > make out. Hey, sounds like MBV, huh? Still some tunes are worth
                        > > checking out. Some of the tunes are supremely eerie. Ancient
                        Queen
                        > is
                        > > muddy sounding but a great tune nonetheless, Heh, the singer
                        sounds
                        > > like an evil papa smurf, but this tune is dark. There's cool
                        echo
                        > and
                        > > delay on the vocals, a nice effect. So, Wrath Of the Tyrant a
                        little
                        > > hard to listen too but some great tunes esp. the first half.
                        Into
                        > The
                        > > Nightside Eclipse has some great tunes but again the recording
                        is
                        > > sub-par. Anthyms To The Welkin At Dusk is like Vagner metal
                        very
                        > > majestic sounding in places also
                        > > Isahns vocals were getting better at this time I think,
                        varying his
                        > > styles of singing more melodic and such. Hey, I like the evil
                        papa
                        > > smurf, but, you gotta have something else too. Recording on
                        Anthems
                        > is
                        > > a little better, but needs work, They made two more,
                        Equlibrium IX
                        > > which is good. Great guitar and the sound is improved and then
                        > > Prometheus And Discipline which is good but I like Equilibrium
                        a
                        > > little better.
                        > > Satyricon I like more, mainly because they got better at
                        mixing the
                        > > sound. I have and really dig, Shadowthrone, Nemesis Devina, and
                        > > Volcano. Volcano is slagged off by some of the old fans as
                        being a
                        > > sellout. I don't understand why. It doesn't sound remotely
                        > commercial
                        > > to me. Okay, Fuel For Hatred has an upbeat rythym, but, c'mon
                        > commercial?
                        > > Satyricon is really big and bombastic and atmospheric sounding
                        > stuff.
                        > > Just the way I like it. Darkthrone has some good stuff. For my
                        > money,
                        > > I like Transylvanian Hunger the best. That one is slagged of
                        by some
                        > > as trendy. I don't know about that. I think it's their most
                        > appealing.
                        > >
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                        First off, The Curve promos I have, are Coast Is Clear, Fait Accompli, Horror Head, Superblaster, Missing Link, & Chinese Burn. Quality is decent, not perfect,
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                          First off, The Curve promos I have, are Coast Is Clear, Fait Accompli,
                          Horror Head, Superblaster, Missing Link, & Chinese Burn.
                          Quality is decent, not perfect, a little grainy.
                          Looking forward to the Gira. post. I've talked to him at the Angels
                          Of light shows, he's not much for small talk is he? At the show, for
                          the How I Loved You, tour, I mentioned, I read that he worked with
                          Jean Herve- Peron, of Faust. He said , yes, and then I asked what was
                          that like? He just gave me this suspicious look, like what do you
                          care? He said fine with a cold look. Ha! I just mentioned my funny
                          meeting with Peron after the Faust show here in Seattle, back in `94.
                          I just thought it was cool that two musicians, I liked, collaborated,
                          and the usual fanboy stuff. He wasn't interested. I just kinda
                          chuckled, he glared, and I probably softened his mood when I purchased
                          the new CD. You gonna buy somethin' or what, kid? I'm busy! Ahhh,
                          rockstars!

                          >
                          > Oh, hey - I have a Swans story for you - except it has nothing to do
                          > with Swans, except that I went to a gig of theirs (well, of
                          > Michael's, because it was only him that night) back in the early
                          > 90s. I'll be posting that soon. It might make you chuckle; it
                          > might bore you to death. We'll see. ;)
                          >
                          > I'm sure you've seen Neil's post here; unfortuately I can't
                          > tape/copy anything because I am in the Dark Ages and only have a VCR
                          > and a DVD player - no burn equipment, etc...
                          >
                          > Your best bet is to correspond with Neil and get something specific
                          > off his Want List to do a trade for Lush videos. I hope that will
                          > work out! :)
                          >
                          > On a Curve note, you mentioned having promos by them; do you mean
                          > all their actual videos? Just curious, as that is something I would
                          > be into...
                          >
                          > Jen
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, don lebo
                          > <meddle712002@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Yeah, it's all hit and miss,heh, like any band. As for slow and
                          > dirgy I love early Swans, as well as later out put by Swans.
                          > > I also love the Finnish doom metal band Skepticism's Lead And
                          > Athear, it get's quite beautiful in places. The first two tracks
                          > The Organium and The March and Stream sounds like right off a
                          > horror soundtrack without sounding corny, I think. Cool funeral
                          > organ and a heavy ponderous sound this band has. A stretch to
                          > call it metal though. Too dirgy for the metal fans.
                          > > onto a lighter subject, do you have the Lush compilation vids
                          > that Neil has. I'd like to get a copy, but I don't have much for
                          > trade, you and him haven't got, already, probably. I wanted to get
                          > the Lush comp 2 , we wrote each other sometime ago, but, he didn't
                          > seem interested. i have a Lush vid from 92 in London I think, the
                          > one where Miki, says, "there will be no swearing tonight", at the
                          > beginning. And I have Austin 94, I don't have a burner yet.
                          > > I have the usual promos and live apperances along with the Curve
                          > promos except for Ten Little Girls. Great promo that one.
                          > > As for MBV, I have a nifty live comp and interview dvd stuff
                          > from the Isn't Anything to Loveless eras. Quality on eveything is
                          > decent, not great. Early Lush shows were hard to capture on film
                          > anyway, near dark and all,judging from the crap vids I used to
                          > have. I had several and they were hard to watch. MBV played so loud
                          > that your recording was bound to be distorted. Still, surprisingly
                          > some of the MBV stuff is fairly clear. One of the interviews
                          > features Colm speaking. I've never seen him speak.
                          > > If you want, I can make you some cd comps of the metal stuff I
                          > have for the Lush comp 2, if you have it.I'll also work on getting
                          > the DVD 's burned or, I can send them to you to do it yourself,
                          > and you can return them.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Jen <jdloc4@> wrote: Thanks for your insight on
                          > different metal bands that I should check
                          > > out! :) I will try to listen more online to find out the "type"
                          > of
                          > > metal I like...it's all very subjective though; I've read some
                          > > reviews about certain metal bands that sound good, and then I'll
                          > > listen to song-bits online and be like, no way, I don't like
                          > them
                          > > (possibly Mastodon? I just recall not being impressed even
                          > though
                          > > they're being touted by the music press as the big thing in
                          > current
                          > > metal scene)...but thanks for giving me a partial roadmap of
                          > what to
                          > > look into.
                          > >
                          > > Off-hand I would say I don't like the tunes to be too sludgy,
                          > dirgy,
                          > > or bowels-of-Hell noise. I might like base-heavy riffs, frentic
                          > > guitar solos, distinctive vocalist - either high-pitched
                          > screaming or
                          > > deep 'n' powerful, but understandable vocals...I do want to
                          > check out
                          > > more Norweigan bands and see what the 'sound' is like...
                          > >
                          > > Oh, and "ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal" (your quote)
                          > sounds
                          > > interesting - it just has to be the right vocalist - once again,
                          > too
                          > > subjective! I'll send back a report once I find out more... :)
                          > >
                          > > Jen
                          > >
                          > > PS Yes, the previous message and reply did end up running
                          > together,
                          > > but I think my part had the "<" symbols in front.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lebo"
                          > > <meddle712002@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@>
                          > wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Heya - I've heard about Celtic Frost - but I haven't heard
                          > a
                          > > single
                          > > > > song by them. When you say the lead singer has one of best
                          > > vocals
                          > > > > in death metal, do you mean his voice is all deep 'n'
                          > growly 'n'
                          > > > > grim - like coming from the depths of depravity? I thought
                          > > Celtic
                          > > > > Frost had a "clean" guitar sound - am I wrong? Tell me
                          > more! :)
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I'm not sure who here knows their death metal and speed
                          > metal,
                          > > but
                          > > > > what bands, do you think, are the best in those branches of
                          > > metal?
                          > > > > I like speed, and I like power, and I like emotion, but they
                          > have
                          > > to
                          > > > > be at the service of good, coherent song-writing (I think) -
                          > so
                          > > that
                          > > > > I can actually "follow" the song and remember it! LOL
                          > > > > Well, it depends on what lp your talking about. Morbid Tales
                          > Tom
                          > > > kinda grunts his vocals not real deep like Morbid Angel
                          > though. I
                          > > > don't know who to use as a reference.You can make out his
                          > vocals and
                          > > > the gruntin' isn't overbearing. He doesn't growl like a bear.
                          > I find
                          > > > that bit a little corny. My ex-girlfriend, didn't like much
                          > metal I
                          > > > played(big indie-pop fan Deathcab and the like) she liked
                          > Frost,
                          > > > because the vocals weren't growly and you can kinda understand
                          > what
                          > > he
                          > > > was saying. Still the lyric sheet is recommended because the
                          > music
                          > > > overbears the vocals and gruntin' is kinda hard to understand.
                          > He's
                          > > > swiss so sometimes his accent and inflections get in the way,
                          > some
                          > > > mis-pronounciations which can be funny. For instance
                          > Procreation Of
                          > > > The Wicked comes out prah-creation of the wicked. Down load
                          > some
                          > > > tunes. Check out Necromantical Screams, Circle Of The Tyrants,
                          > Into
                          > > > Crypts of Rays, Jewel Throne, Visual Aggression, Suicidal
                          > winds,
                          > > > Innocence and Wrath/The Usurper, Morbid Tales. They also did a
                          > cover
                          > > > of Wall Of Voodoo's Mexican Radio,which is funny. They did Dean
                          > > > Martin's Chapel In The Moonlight (gotta check that one out),
                          > Bryan
                          > > > Ferry's This island Earth and Bowie's Heroes, which is okay,
                          > not
                          > > > great. Out of all of them, I prefer Chapel, then Mexican
                          > Radio, The
                          > > Ferry.
                          > > > Into The Pandemonium was their art-metal masterpiece.
                          > Touches of
                          > > the
                          > > > Dead Can Dance influence is more apparent (Tom and the bass
                          > player
                          > > > Martin ain were huge fans) I also dig that Tom's an admirer of
                          > Frank
                          > > > Sinatra and Roxy Music. I think this album definitely helped
                          > pave
                          > > the
                          > > > way for ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal. Cold Lake,
                          > avoid
                          > > like
                          > > > the plague. This was their Celtic Crue period, maybe a couple
                          > good
                          > > > tunes but, gawd, that cover? purple and pink? Teased hair? On
                          > Frost
                          > > > Product? Hey they wanted to evolve, so, out with the black, in
                          > with
                          > > > the...glitter?
                          > > > As far as deathmetal goes when it was hitting it's peak, I lost
                          > > > interest in
                          > > > metal, still liked what I knew, though, so, I'm not an
                          > authority on
                          > > > it. I don't like Cannibal Corpse much.Entombed I haven't
                          > listened
                          > > to,
                          > > > I remember when they came out though. Scant hearings of Morbid
                          > > Angel.
                          > > > When all this was going on I was getting into Can and Faust a
                          > lot of
                          > > > jazz. So, metal? Nah, i got tired of it. There was no more real
                          > > > innovation in metal anymore. It got boring. I didn't turn to
                          > grunge
                          > > > for relief. That sounded metal to me. I've always been into
                          > arty
                          > > > avantgardy proggy music more than metal anyway. How can
                          > anybody call
                          > > > Voivod a hairmetal band? Because they wore their hair long,
                          > but
                          > > that's
                          > > > all. they were no Motley Crue or
                          > > > Poison for sure. They hit big when they did a cover of Floyd's
                          > > > Astronomie Domine. There was a very cool video for it, and
                          > emptee
                          > > vee
                          > > > played it on a daily basis. The Nothingface lp is great! They
                          > were
                          > > too
                          > > > weird for the average metal listener. Like the average Zep
                          > fan's
                          > > > reaction to King Crimson. I like some Carcass, god, to
                          > understand
                          > > some
                          > > > of their lyrics you need a medical encyclopedia.
                          > > > You like the Norwegian bands? I like Emperor, my problem with
                          > them
                          > > was
                          > > > the sound was atmospheric but wasn't mixed well. You got all
                          > this
                          > > loud
                          > > > bombastic echo but the vocals and sometimes the guitars are
                          > hard to
                          > > > make out. Hey, sounds like MBV, huh? Still some tunes are worth
                          > > > checking out. Some of the tunes are supremely eerie. Ancient
                          > Queen
                          > > is
                          > > > muddy sounding but a great tune nonetheless, Heh, the singer
                          > sounds
                          > > > like an evil papa smurf, but this tune is dark. There's cool
                          > echo
                          > > and
                          > > > delay on the vocals, a nice effect. So, Wrath Of the Tyrant a
                          > little
                          > > > hard to listen too but some great tunes esp. the first half.
                          > Into
                          > > The
                          > > > Nightside Eclipse has some great tunes but again the recording
                          > is
                          > > > sub-par. Anthyms To The Welkin At Dusk is like Vagner metal
                          > very
                          > > > majestic sounding in places also
                          > > > Isahns vocals were getting better at this time I think,
                          > varying his
                          > > > styles of singing more melodic and such. Hey, I like the evil
                          > papa
                          > > > smurf, but, you gotta have something else too. Recording on
                          > Anthems
                          > > is
                          > > > a little better, but needs work, They made two more,
                          > Equlibrium IX
                          > > > which is good. Great guitar and the sound is improved and then
                          > > > Prometheus And Discipline which is good but I like Equilibrium
                          > a
                          > > > little better.
                          > > > Satyricon I like more, mainly because they got better at
                          > mixing the
                          > > > sound. I have and really dig, Shadowthrone, Nemesis Devina, and
                          > > > Volcano. Volcano is slagged off by some of the old fans as
                          > being a
                          > > > sellout. I don't understand why. It doesn't sound remotely
                          > > commercial
                          > > > to me. Okay, Fuel For Hatred has an upbeat rythym, but, c'mon
                          > > commercial?
                          > > > Satyricon is really big and bombastic and atmospheric sounding
                          > > stuff.
                          > > > Just the way I like it. Darkthrone has some good stuff. For my
                          > > money,
                          > > > I like Transylvanian Hunger the best. That one is slagged of
                          > by some
                          > > > as trendy. I don't know about that. I think it's their most
                          > > appealing.
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                            Btw, I did get a reply from Neil, thanks.
                            > Oh, hey - I have a Swans story for you - except it has nothing to do
                            > with Swans, except that I went to a gig of theirs (well, of
                            > Michael's, because it was only him that night) back in the early
                            > 90s. I'll be posting that soon. It might make you chuckle; it
                            > might bore you to death. We'll see. ;)
                            >
                            > I'm sure you've seen Neil's post here; unfortuately I can't
                            > tape/copy anything because I am in the Dark Ages and only have a VCR
                            > and a DVD player - no burn equipment, etc...
                            >
                            > Your best bet is to correspond with Neil and get something specific
                            > off his Want List to do a trade for Lush videos. I hope that will
                            > work out! :)
                            >
                            > On a Curve note, you mentioned having promos by them; do you mean
                            > all their actual videos? Just curious, as that is something I would
                            > be into...
                            >
                            > Jen
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, don lebo
                            > <meddle712002@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Yeah, it's all hit and miss,heh, like any band. As for slow and
                            > dirgy I love early Swans, as well as later out put by Swans.
                            > > I also love the Finnish doom metal band Skepticism's Lead And
                            > Athear, it get's quite beautiful in places. The first two tracks
                            > The Organium and The March and Stream sounds like right off a
                            > horror soundtrack without sounding corny, I think. Cool funeral
                            > organ and a heavy ponderous sound this band has. A stretch to
                            > call it metal though. Too dirgy for the metal fans.
                            > > onto a lighter subject, do you have the Lush compilation vids
                            > that Neil has. I'd like to get a copy, but I don't have much for
                            > trade, you and him haven't got, already, probably. I wanted to get
                            > the Lush comp 2 , we wrote each other sometime ago, but, he didn't
                            > seem interested. i have a Lush vid from 92 in London I think, the
                            > one where Miki, says, "there will be no swearing tonight", at the
                            > beginning. And I have Austin 94, I don't have a burner yet.
                            > > I have the usual promos and live apperances along with the Curve
                            > promos except for Ten Little Girls. Great promo that one.
                            > > As for MBV, I have a nifty live comp and interview dvd stuff
                            > from the Isn't Anything to Loveless eras. Quality on eveything is
                            > decent, not great. Early Lush shows were hard to capture on film
                            > anyway, near dark and all,judging from the crap vids I used to
                            > have. I had several and they were hard to watch. MBV played so loud
                            > that your recording was bound to be distorted. Still, surprisingly
                            > some of the MBV stuff is fairly clear. One of the interviews
                            > features Colm speaking. I've never seen him speak.
                            > > If you want, I can make you some cd comps of the metal stuff I
                            > have for the Lush comp 2, if you have it.I'll also work on getting
                            > the DVD 's burned or, I can send them to you to do it yourself,
                            > and you can return them.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Jen <jdloc4@> wrote: Thanks for your insight on
                            > different metal bands that I should check
                            > > out! :) I will try to listen more online to find out the "type"
                            > of
                            > > metal I like...it's all very subjective though; I've read some
                            > > reviews about certain metal bands that sound good, and then I'll
                            > > listen to song-bits online and be like, no way, I don't like
                            > them
                            > > (possibly Mastodon? I just recall not being impressed even
                            > though
                            > > they're being touted by the music press as the big thing in
                            > current
                            > > metal scene)...but thanks for giving me a partial roadmap of
                            > what to
                            > > look into.
                            > >
                            > > Off-hand I would say I don't like the tunes to be too sludgy,
                            > dirgy,
                            > > or bowels-of-Hell noise. I might like base-heavy riffs, frentic
                            > > guitar solos, distinctive vocalist - either high-pitched
                            > screaming or
                            > > deep 'n' powerful, but understandable vocals...I do want to
                            > check out
                            > > more Norweigan bands and see what the 'sound' is like...
                            > >
                            > > Oh, and "ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal" (your quote)
                            > sounds
                            > > interesting - it just has to be the right vocalist - once again,
                            > too
                            > > subjective! I'll send back a report once I find out more... :)
                            > >
                            > > Jen
                            > >
                            > > PS Yes, the previous message and reply did end up running
                            > together,
                            > > but I think my part had the "<" symbols in front.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lebo"
                            > > <meddle712002@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@>
                            > wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Heya - I've heard about Celtic Frost - but I haven't heard
                            > a
                            > > single
                            > > > > song by them. When you say the lead singer has one of best
                            > > vocals
                            > > > > in death metal, do you mean his voice is all deep 'n'
                            > growly 'n'
                            > > > > grim - like coming from the depths of depravity? I thought
                            > > Celtic
                            > > > > Frost had a "clean" guitar sound - am I wrong? Tell me
                            > more! :)
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I'm not sure who here knows their death metal and speed
                            > metal,
                            > > but
                            > > > > what bands, do you think, are the best in those branches of
                            > > metal?
                            > > > > I like speed, and I like power, and I like emotion, but they
                            > have
                            > > to
                            > > > > be at the service of good, coherent song-writing (I think) -
                            > so
                            > > that
                            > > > > I can actually "follow" the song and remember it! LOL
                            > > > > Well, it depends on what lp your talking about. Morbid Tales
                            > Tom
                            > > > kinda grunts his vocals not real deep like Morbid Angel
                            > though. I
                            > > > don't know who to use as a reference.You can make out his
                            > vocals and
                            > > > the gruntin' isn't overbearing. He doesn't growl like a bear.
                            > I find
                            > > > that bit a little corny. My ex-girlfriend, didn't like much
                            > metal I
                            > > > played(big indie-pop fan Deathcab and the like) she liked
                            > Frost,
                            > > > because the vocals weren't growly and you can kinda understand
                            > what
                            > > he
                            > > > was saying. Still the lyric sheet is recommended because the
                            > music
                            > > > overbears the vocals and gruntin' is kinda hard to understand.
                            > He's
                            > > > swiss so sometimes his accent and inflections get in the way,
                            > some
                            > > > mis-pronounciations which can be funny. For instance
                            > Procreation Of
                            > > > The Wicked comes out prah-creation of the wicked. Down load
                            > some
                            > > > tunes. Check out Necromantical Screams, Circle Of The Tyrants,
                            > Into
                            > > > Crypts of Rays, Jewel Throne, Visual Aggression, Suicidal
                            > winds,
                            > > > Innocence and Wrath/The Usurper, Morbid Tales. They also did a
                            > cover
                            > > > of Wall Of Voodoo's Mexican Radio,which is funny. They did Dean
                            > > > Martin's Chapel In The Moonlight (gotta check that one out),
                            > Bryan
                            > > > Ferry's This island Earth and Bowie's Heroes, which is okay,
                            > not
                            > > > great. Out of all of them, I prefer Chapel, then Mexican
                            > Radio, The
                            > > Ferry.
                            > > > Into The Pandemonium was their art-metal masterpiece.
                            > Touches of
                            > > the
                            > > > Dead Can Dance influence is more apparent (Tom and the bass
                            > player
                            > > > Martin ain were huge fans) I also dig that Tom's an admirer of
                            > Frank
                            > > > Sinatra and Roxy Music. I think this album definitely helped
                            > pave
                            > > the
                            > > > way for ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal. Cold Lake,
                            > avoid
                            > > like
                            > > > the plague. This was their Celtic Crue period, maybe a couple
                            > good
                            > > > tunes but, gawd, that cover? purple and pink? Teased hair? On
                            > Frost
                            > > > Product? Hey they wanted to evolve, so, out with the black, in
                            > with
                            > > > the...glitter?
                            > > > As far as deathmetal goes when it was hitting it's peak, I lost
                            > > > interest in
                            > > > metal, still liked what I knew, though, so, I'm not an
                            > authority on
                            > > > it. I don't like Cannibal Corpse much.Entombed I haven't
                            > listened
                            > > to,
                            > > > I remember when they came out though. Scant hearings of Morbid
                            > > Angel.
                            > > > When all this was going on I was getting into Can and Faust a
                            > lot of
                            > > > jazz. So, metal? Nah, i got tired of it. There was no more real
                            > > > innovation in metal anymore. It got boring. I didn't turn to
                            > grunge
                            > > > for relief. That sounded metal to me. I've always been into
                            > arty
                            > > > avantgardy proggy music more than metal anyway. How can
                            > anybody call
                            > > > Voivod a hairmetal band? Because they wore their hair long,
                            > but
                            > > that's
                            > > > all. they were no Motley Crue or
                            > > > Poison for sure. They hit big when they did a cover of Floyd's
                            > > > Astronomie Domine. There was a very cool video for it, and
                            > emptee
                            > > vee
                            > > > played it on a daily basis. The Nothingface lp is great! They
                            > were
                            > > too
                            > > > weird for the average metal listener. Like the average Zep
                            > fan's
                            > > > reaction to King Crimson. I like some Carcass, god, to
                            > understand
                            > > some
                            > > > of their lyrics you need a medical encyclopedia.
                            > > > You like the Norwegian bands? I like Emperor, my problem with
                            > them
                            > > was
                            > > > the sound was atmospheric but wasn't mixed well. You got all
                            > this
                            > > loud
                            > > > bombastic echo but the vocals and sometimes the guitars are
                            > hard to
                            > > > make out. Hey, sounds like MBV, huh? Still some tunes are worth
                            > > > checking out. Some of the tunes are supremely eerie. Ancient
                            > Queen
                            > > is
                            > > > muddy sounding but a great tune nonetheless, Heh, the singer
                            > sounds
                            > > > like an evil papa smurf, but this tune is dark. There's cool
                            > echo
                            > > and
                            > > > delay on the vocals, a nice effect. So, Wrath Of the Tyrant a
                            > little
                            > > > hard to listen too but some great tunes esp. the first half.
                            > Into
                            > > The
                            > > > Nightside Eclipse has some great tunes but again the recording
                            > is
                            > > > sub-par. Anthyms To The Welkin At Dusk is like Vagner metal
                            > very
                            > > > majestic sounding in places also
                            > > > Isahns vocals were getting better at this time I think,
                            > varying his
                            > > > styles of singing more melodic and such. Hey, I like the evil
                            > papa
                            > > > smurf, but, you gotta have something else too. Recording on
                            > Anthems
                            > > is
                            > > > a little better, but needs work, They made two more,
                            > Equlibrium IX
                            > > > which is good. Great guitar and the sound is improved and then
                            > > > Prometheus And Discipline which is good but I like Equilibrium
                            > a
                            > > > little better.
                            > > > Satyricon I like more, mainly because they got better at
                            > mixing the
                            > > > sound. I have and really dig, Shadowthrone, Nemesis Devina, and
                            > > > Volcano. Volcano is slagged off by some of the old fans as
                            > being a
                            > > > sellout. I don't understand why. It doesn't sound remotely
                            > > commercial
                            > > > to me. Okay, Fuel For Hatred has an upbeat rythym, but, c'mon
                            > > commercial?
                            > > > Satyricon is really big and bombastic and atmospheric sounding
                            > > stuff.
                            > > > Just the way I like it. Darkthrone has some good stuff. For my
                            > > money,
                            > > > I like Transylvanian Hunger the best. That one is slagged of
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                            > > > as trendy. I don't know about that. I think it's their most
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                          • Jen
                            Just a quick correction - I typed that the song Sing was not on Slowdive s Souvlaki album, but I meant the song So Tired. These are my Top 10 Slowdive Songs;
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                              Just a quick correction - I typed that the song Sing was not on
                              Slowdive's Souvlaki album, but I meant the song So Tired.

                              These are my Top 10 Slowdive Songs; what are yours?

                              1. She Calls (love that propulsive, bass-heavy drumbeat)
                              2. Souvlaki Space Station (I think I've already covered this and
                              the above song in previous messages!)
                              3. When the Sun Hits (love the chiming, sweeping guitars and dual
                              vocals)
                              4. Some Velvet Morning (well, it's a cover, but Slowdive really
                              claim it as their own here)
                              5. So Tired (companion piece to Suisefine by My Bloody Valentine)
                              6. Alison (showcase for Neil's vocals and dreamy guitar sound)
                              7. Sing (showcase for Rachel's melancholy, but bright, vocals)
                              8. Catch the Breeze (my introduction to Slowdive; glorious, shiver-
                              inducing ending)
                              9. Primal (for once, a darker, spiraling down sound)
                              10. This is a toss-up of most of the songs on the Blue Day ep:
                              Slowdive, Morningrise, Avalyn 1...they're all beautiful.

                              Ok, this is going to be a bit of an odd question, but I haven't
                              listened to Souvlaki for a while, or at least not the album in its
                              entirety - and when thinking about the song Alison versus other
                              songs that Neil sings on - I'm wondering if it is him singing on
                              Alison?! All of a sudden, while typing up my list, it hit me that
                              the male vocals on Alison are more androgynous and lighter than how
                              Neil usually sings...Maybe I'm just mistaken and will have to listen
                              to that song asap!

                              Jen

                              --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@...>
                              wrote:
                              >
                              > Thank you so much for typing and posting this article! :)
                              > Interesting to read, with some thoughts being in line with my own,
                              > but others going off in a different direction...
                              >
                              > Here's the thing: I think the 1st half of the Souvlaki album is
                              > brilliant - and most of the 2nd half is a crashing bore (with the
                              > exception of the Some Velvet Morning cover and the low-key
                              Dagger).
                              > I know the album is trumpeted as a masterpiece, especially in
                              > retrospect, but the songs Altogether and Mellon Yellow are half-
                              > baked and drab and don't sound like shoegazer tunes - and the last
                              3
                              > songs are knob-twiddling, repetitive, electronica-lite, and once
                              > again, are not glorious shoegazer tunes, like the beginning of
                              album.
                              >
                              > Moving on to this NME article, the reviewer talks about 2 songs
                              that
                              > aren't even on Souvlaki - Moussaka Chaos and Sing! Two great
                              songs
                              > that were on the Outside Your Room ep...
                              >
                              > Of course, it being the NME (or even if was Melody Maker), we get
                              a
                              > lot of precious, pretentious purple prose - but a lot of it is
                              > actually spot on because most of the early songs of Slowdive do
                              > ascend to the sky and do swirl and spiral away. What's great
                              about
                              > most of Souvlaki (compared to their 1st album Just for a Day or
                              > their forays into electronia) is that there are *actual* songs on
                              > the album - hummable, catchy tunes, that, even though most go on
                              > past that 3-minute-pop-song mark, are still memorable and grandly
                              > melancholy or uplifting. Encapsulate Souvlaki Space Station in
                              pill
                              > form and we'd all be walking around happy and feeling strangely
                              > buoyant...LOL
                              >
                              > Ok, enough of my purple prose...What do you all think of this
                              > article and/or Slowdive and/or Souvlaki album?
                              >
                              > Jen
                              >
                              >
                              > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@>
                              > wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Sorry for the duplicate postings of this article; here is the
                              > > complete Slowdive Retrospective article from NME, typed out
                              > > by "chateau_distorted":
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > You might remember that in the late 80's early 90's shoegaze
                              press
                              > > was almost entirely handled through the Melody Maker, which is
                              > where
                              > > the whole 'scene that celebrates itself ' ethos had its
                              apparently
                              > > natural home. A recently published collection of NME articles
                              from
                              > > the 1990's proves this - the magazine includes reprints of early
                              > > features on Suede, Pulp, Oasis, Supergrass, with only a token
                              > > mention for Lush, and a slightly begrudged piece on Blur. Anyhow
                              > > here's the full article (250 words or so) ....
                              > >
                              > > REISSUE OF THE WEEK
                              > > The sonic cathedral's patron saints get a welcome revisit
                              > >
                              > > SLOWDIVE
                              > > Souvlaki (Castle)
                              > >
                              > > Time for some time-travel. The year is 1993, and it's only a
                              > matter
                              > > of time before My Bloody Valentine effectively bankrupt Alan
                              > McGee's
                              > > Creation Records. Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell are the
                              central
                              > > couple at the heart of Slowdive - a Reading-based group named
                              > after
                              > > a Siouxsie And The Banshees song; but whose Year Zero,
                              musicwise,
                              > is
                              > > the Jesus And Marychain's psychotic feedback pop. Slowdive have
                              > > effectively flipped the script with 'Souvlaki' as Suede's star
                              is
                              > on
                              > > the rise, and the 'shoegazing' movement they're shackled to has
                              > > crashed and burned. With peers like Chapterhouse,Lush, Ride,
                              Moose
                              > > and many more, Slowdive have ventured beyond prosaic
                              limitiation,
                              > to
                              > > capture love in a void, love in the abyss, love lost, love
                              split,
                              > > love reformed ...
                              > > If all this carries a faint hint of pretentiousnes, just recall
                              > the
                              > > purple prose that greeted 'Souvlaki' on its inception. A new
                              > > generation needs to be pointed in the direction of the
                              > possibilities
                              > > of guitars, beyond honest-joe, meat 'n' potatoes, lumpen
                              rock 'n'
                              > > roll. This is sound as crystal:a lesson in how to stay forever
                              > young
                              > > in spirit: in how to appear and disappear at will: and in how to
                              > > make a state of nothingness count.
                              > > Although long ridiculed for staring downwards at effects pedals
                              > > onstage ('shoegazing'), and, in effect, being anti-
                              entertainment,
                              > > Slowdive's power is in the sound-pictures. Anti-image as image.
                              > > With 'Melon Yellow's' backwards-masked rhythms and guitars as
                              > > keyboards, Slowdive seem to have stepped outside time
                              altogether,
                              > > and just drifted along on pure bliss.
                              > > In 2006, the incredible 'Souvlaki Space Station' retains the
                              > > currency of innovation - ambient dub that's not pretend-Jamaican
                              > but
                              > > with a depth-charge bassline, and the sonics and voices fused as
                              > > one. 'Moussaka Chaos' presents itself as '...Space Station"s
                              > reverse
                              > > image, a dub of a dub,if you like.
                              > > Ambient pioneer Brian Eno's production hands are in here too.
                              > > For 'Sing' he replaces the trademark guitar washes and swooshes
                              > with
                              > > bleeps and squiggles. Slowdive's music, to reiterate, is music
                              you
                              > > can see. The way 'Machine Gun' floats off in the clouds; the
                              dream-
                              > > state recording of 'So Tired' that approximates slipping in and
                              > out
                              > > of consciousness, in and out of focus ...
                              > > So, 13 years ago,'Alison' had heavenly harmonies and melodies,
                              > > guitars that spoke in various tongues, and a musical whole that
                              > just
                              > > swirled around your solar plexus, at the requisite volume. To
                              > bring
                              > > Slowdive back now is to return to a virtual-reality drug-induced
                              > > haze made by people who don't take drugs. It's also to resurrect
                              > the
                              > > contrast between Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell's delicate,
                              but
                              > > never wispy, voices. But timing is everything: theirs is a world
                              > > that has been resurrected in recent years by the likes of
                              Autolux
                              > > and Engineers, Sigur Ros and Ulrich Schnauss. Nu-gaze it may be,
                              > but
                              > > it owes a debt to the past.
                              > > Mediate on how the closing 'Dagger' changes everything around
                              > again,
                              > > as Slowdive go acoustic - an ode to the closeness of a
                              > relationship
                              > > that mixes empathy and sympathy, noises and silences. Just like
                              > real
                              > > life,only enhanced even more. To think it all somehow still
                              seems
                              > > like a passing dream ...
                              > >
                              > > Dele Fadele
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > WHAT NME SAID (THEN)
                              > > Slowdive have banished the barriers restricting creativity.
                              > They're
                              > > here to peddle an otherworldly noise which thrives on trembling
                              > > shapes and tumbling dimensions, where atmosphere - drenched
                              > > dramatics coalesce with shimmering with shimmering distortion to
                              > > induce sublime, elegant swirls. When they really relax, Slowdive
                              > can
                              > > make Cocteau Twins sound like Mudhoney.
                              > > Slowdive wield a double-edge sword, Slowdive epitomise the calm
                              > > after the headsplitting feedback-spitting guitar storm. Yeah,
                              > > Slowdive sound like sky
                              > >
                              > > February 23, 1991
                              > > Simon Williams
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Jen <jdloc4@> wrote:
                              > > Hiya - If you get (have gotten) the NME Slowdive retrospective,
                              > can
                              > > you give a lil recap here of what those crazy cats at the NME
                              are
                              > > saying? Do they give props to any other S-gazer bands? Just
                              > > curious, and as I'm snowed in, I won't be getting to a book
                              > > (magazine) store anytime soon! :0
                              > >
                              > > Jen
                              > >
                              > > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, Jon Gordon
                              > > <chateau_distorted@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Looking over this thread makes me realise that the
                              similarities
                              > > betweeen Metal and S-gaze are far more a matter of equipment
                              > rather
                              > > than songwriting or playing ability: Les Paul Standard +
                              Marshall
                              > > amp
                              > > = Loveless / Use Your Illusion while Gretsch + Mesa Boogie =
                              > Stoned
                              > > And Dethroned / ...... er, your metal types never seem to use
                              > > Gretsch
                              > > or Aria or Hamer or any of those 'indie' type guitars do they?
                              > > Famously the JAMC smashed up a very expensive big red Gibson
                              semi-
                              > > acoustic onstage (the notorious Lewisham Poly riot incident) and
                              > > were
                              > > promptly dropped by Creation for costing McGee a whole weeks
                              lunch
                              > > money.
                              > > > And don't miss this weeks NME (UK edition) for a seriously
                              > late
                              > > Slowdive retrospective bandwagon hop.
                              > >
                              >
                            • Jen
                              I just listened to some song samples (not always the best way to hear a band, depending what bit of the song is offered, but it s free n fast) of Voivod,
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                                I just listened to some song samples (not always the best way to
                                hear a band, depending what bit of the song is offered, but it's
                                free 'n' fast) of Voivod, Satyricon, Emperor, and Carcass (with some
                                Opeth and Amorphis thrown in for good measure) - and I came to the
                                realization that what is considered good is a matter of personal
                                taste and interest in a genre (sorry, I know that's pretty obvious,
                                but I'm trying to figure out exactly what I like in "Metal" and it's
                                hard for me to pinpoint it right now).

                                I'm not sure the Death/Black/Doom Metal category is for me. LOL I
                                am liking most of the instrumental and guitar parts. I listened to
                                some of Satyricon's Volcano album and like the encompassing guitar
                                sound, but the evil-sounding vocals turned me off. Emperor was just
                                too convoluted for me - I couldn't find a way 'in' to the songs via
                                an understandable melody. Carcass had some really good guitar-work,
                                and sounded cleaner than I had imagined (it probably depends on the
                                song), but once again the 'evil-elf' vocals weren't to my taste.

                                Voivod was interesting, and I think I'll give them more of a
                                listen. I like the speed and aggression of the songs, and the Dave
                                Mustane-like talk-singing vocals were ok...

                                I don't know if Opeth has been mentioned, but I know they're a big
                                one of the genre, at least over the past few years, and I think I
                                like the tunage - the songs are more pleasant on the ear - but I'm
                                unsure of the vocals; they're overly deep and dark - and I can't
                                tell yet if I like them...I'll have to listen some more... :)

                                Jen

                                --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Don Lebo"
                                <meddle712002@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Heya - I've heard about Celtic Frost - but I haven't heard a
                                single
                                > > song by them. When you say the lead singer has one of best
                                vocals
                                > > in death metal, do you mean his voice is all deep 'n' growly 'n'
                                > > grim - like coming from the depths of depravity? I thought
                                Celtic
                                > > Frost had a "clean" guitar sound - am I wrong? Tell me more! :)
                                > >
                                > > I'm not sure who here knows their death metal and speed metal,
                                but
                                > > what bands, do you think, are the best in those branches of
                                metal?
                                > > I like speed, and I like power, and I like emotion, but they
                                have to
                                > > be at the service of good, coherent song-writing (I think) - so
                                that
                                > > I can actually "follow" the song and remember it! LOL
                                > > Well, it depends on what lp your talking about. Morbid Tales Tom
                                > kinda grunts his vocals not real deep like Morbid Angel though. I
                                > don't know who to use as a reference.You can make out his vocals
                                and
                                > the gruntin' isn't overbearing. He doesn't growl like a bear. I
                                find
                                > that bit a little corny. My ex-girlfriend, didn't like much metal I
                                > played(big indie-pop fan Deathcab and the like) she liked Frost,
                                > because the vocals weren't growly and you can kinda understand
                                what he
                                > was saying. Still the lyric sheet is recommended because the music
                                > overbears the vocals and gruntin' is kinda hard to understand. He's
                                > swiss so sometimes his accent and inflections get in the way, some
                                > mis-pronounciations which can be funny. For instance Procreation Of
                                > The Wicked comes out prah-creation of the wicked. Down load some
                                > tunes. Check out Necromantical Screams, Circle Of The Tyrants, Into
                                > Crypts of Rays, Jewel Throne, Visual Aggression, Suicidal winds,
                                > Innocence and Wrath/The Usurper, Morbid Tales. They also did a
                                cover
                                > of Wall Of Voodoo's Mexican Radio,which is funny. They did Dean
                                > Martin's Chapel In The Moonlight (gotta check that one out), Bryan
                                > Ferry's This island Earth and Bowie's Heroes, which is okay, not
                                > great. Out of all of them, I prefer Chapel, then Mexican Radio,
                                The Ferry.
                                > Into The Pandemonium was their art-metal masterpiece. Touches of
                                the
                                > Dead Can Dance influence is more apparent (Tom and the bass player
                                > Martin ain were huge fans) I also dig that Tom's an admirer of
                                Frank
                                > Sinatra and Roxy Music. I think this album definitely helped pave
                                the
                                > way for ethereal orchestral sounding goth metal. Cold Lake, avoid
                                like
                                > the plague. This was their Celtic Crue period, maybe a couple good
                                > tunes but, gawd, that cover? purple and pink? Teased hair? On Frost
                                > Product? Hey they wanted to evolve, so, out with the black, in with
                                > the...glitter?
                                > As far as deathmetal goes when it was hitting it's peak, I lost
                                > interest in
                                > metal, still liked what I knew, though, so, I'm not an authority on
                                > it. I don't like Cannibal Corpse much.Entombed I haven't listened
                                to,
                                > I remember when they came out though. Scant hearings of Morbid
                                Angel.
                                > When all this was going on I was getting into Can and Faust a lot
                                of
                                > jazz. So, metal? Nah, i got tired of it. There was no more real
                                > innovation in metal anymore. It got boring. I didn't turn to grunge
                                > for relief. That sounded metal to me. I've always been into arty
                                > avantgardy proggy music more than metal anyway. How can anybody
                                call
                                > Voivod a hairmetal band? Because they wore their hair long, but
                                that's
                                > all. they were no Motley Crue or
                                > Poison for sure. They hit big when they did a cover of Floyd's
                                > Astronomie Domine. There was a very cool video for it, and emptee
                                vee
                                > played it on a daily basis. The Nothingface lp is great! They were
                                too
                                > weird for the average metal listener. Like the average Zep fan's
                                > reaction to King Crimson. I like some Carcass, god, to understand
                                some
                                > of their lyrics you need a medical encyclopedia.
                                > You like the Norwegian bands? I like Emperor, my problem with them
                                was
                                > the sound was atmospheric but wasn't mixed well. You got all this
                                loud
                                > bombastic echo but the vocals and sometimes the guitars are hard to
                                > make out. Hey, sounds like MBV, huh? Still some tunes are worth
                                > checking out. Some of the tunes are supremely eerie. Ancient Queen
                                is
                                > muddy sounding but a great tune nonetheless, Heh, the singer sounds
                                > like an evil papa smurf, but this tune is dark. There's cool echo
                                and
                                > delay on the vocals, a nice effect. So, Wrath Of the Tyrant a
                                little
                                > hard to listen too but some great tunes esp. the first half. Into
                                The
                                > Nightside Eclipse has some great tunes but again the recording is
                                > sub-par. Anthyms To The Welkin At Dusk is like Vagner metal very
                                > majestic sounding in places also
                                > Isahns vocals were getting better at this time I think, varying his
                                > styles of singing more melodic and such. Hey, I like the evil papa
                                > smurf, but, you gotta have something else too. Recording on
                                Anthems is
                                > a little better, but needs work, They made two more, Equlibrium IX
                                > which is good. Great guitar and the sound is improved and then
                                > Prometheus And Discipline which is good but I like Equilibrium a
                                > little better.
                                > Satyricon I like more, mainly because they got better at mixing the
                                > sound. I have and really dig, Shadowthrone, Nemesis Devina, and
                                > Volcano. Volcano is slagged off by some of the old fans as being a
                                > sellout. I don't understand why. It doesn't sound remotely
                                commercial
                                > to me. Okay, Fuel For Hatred has an upbeat rythym, but, c'mon
                                commercial?
                                > Satyricon is really big and bombastic and atmospheric sounding
                                stuff.
                                > Just the way I like it. Darkthrone has some good stuff. For my
                                money,
                                > I like Transylvanian Hunger the best. That one is slagged of by
                                some
                                > as trendy. I don't know about that. I think it's their most
                                appealing.
                                >
                              • Jon Gordon
                                my only suggestion is to find a copy of the CD which is a re-issue and not the original release and which almost certainly contains added bonus tracks -
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                                  my only suggestion is to find a copy of the CD which is a re-issue and not the original release and which almost certainly contains added bonus tracks - checking Slowdive's own site I've noticed that around 5 CD's are now available, inevitably a jumble of original tracklistings and unreleased songs/demos.

                                  Jen <jdloc4@...> wrote:
                                  Just a quick correction - I typed that the song Sing was not on
                                  Slowdive's Souvlaki album, but I meant the song So Tired.

                                  These are my Top 10 Slowdive Songs; what are yours?

                                  1.  She Calls (love that propulsive, bass-heavy drumbeat)
                                  2.  Souvlaki Space Station (I think I've already covered this and
                                  the above song in previous messages!)
                                  3.  When the Sun Hits (love the chiming, sweeping guitars and dual
                                  vocals)
                                  4.  Some Velvet Morning (well, it's a cover, but Slowdive really
                                  claim it as their own here)
                                  5.  So Tired (companion piece to Suisefine by My Bloody Valentine)
                                  6.  Alison (showcase for Neil's vocals and dreamy guitar sound)
                                  7.  Sing (showcase for Rachel's melancholy, but bright, vocals)
                                  8.  Catch the Breeze (my introduction to Slowdive; glorious, shiver-
                                  inducing ending)
                                  9.  Primal  (for once, a darker, spiraling down sound)
                                  10.  This is a toss-up of most of the songs on the Blue Day ep: 
                                  Slowdive, Morningrise, Avalyn 1...they're all beautiful.

                                  Ok, this is going to be a bit of an odd question, but I haven't
                                  listened to Souvlaki for a while, or at least not the album in its
                                  entirety - and when thinking about the song Alison versus other
                                  songs that Neil sings on - I'm wondering if it is him singing on
                                  Alison?!  All of a sudden, while typing up my list, it hit me that
                                  the male vocals on Alison are more androgynous and lighter than how
                                  Neil usually sings...Maybe I'm just mistaken and will have to listen
                                  to that song asap!

                                  Jen

                                  --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@...>
                                  wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Thank you so much for typing and posting this article!  :) 
                                  > Interesting to read, with some thoughts being in line with my own,
                                  > but others going off in a different direction...
                                  >
                                  > Here's the thing: I think the 1st half of the Souvlaki album is
                                  > brilliant - and most of the 2nd half is a crashing bore (with the
                                  > exception of the Some Velvet Morning cover and the low-key
                                  Dagger). 
                                  > I know the album is trumpeted as a masterpiece, especially in
                                  > retrospect, but the songs Altogether and Mellon Yellow are half-
                                  > baked and drab and don't sound like shoegazer tunes - and the last
                                  3
                                  > songs are knob-twiddling, repetitive, electronica-lite, and once
                                  > again, are not glorious shoegazer tunes, like the beginning of
                                  album.
                                  >
                                  > Moving on to this NME article, the reviewer talks about 2 songs
                                  that
                                  > aren't even on Souvlaki - Moussaka Chaos and Sing!  Two great
                                  songs
                                  > that were on the Outside Your Room ep...
                                  >
                                  > Of course, it being the NME (or even if was Melody Maker), we get
                                  a
                                  > lot of precious, pretentious purple prose - but a lot of it is
                                  > actually spot on because most of the early songs of Slowdive do
                                  > ascend to the sky and do swirl and spiral away.  What's great
                                  about
                                  > most of Souvlaki (compared to their 1st album Just for a Day or
                                  > their forays into electronia) is that there are *actual* songs on
                                  > the album - hummable, catchy tunes, that, even though most go on
                                  > past that 3-minute-pop-song mark, are still memorable and grandly
                                  > melancholy or uplifting.  Encapsulate Souvlaki Space Station in
                                  pill
                                  > form and we'd all be walking around happy and feeling strangely
                                  > buoyant...LOL
                                  >
                                  > Ok, enough of my purple prose...What do you all think of this
                                  > article and/or Slowdive and/or Souvlaki album?
                                  >
                                  > Jen
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@>
                                  > wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Sorry for the duplicate postings of this article; here is the
                                  > > complete Slowdive Retrospective article from NME, typed out
                                  > > by "chateau_distorted":
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > You might remember that in the late 80's early 90's shoegaze
                                  press
                                  > > was almost entirely handled through the Melody Maker, which is
                                  > where
                                  > > the whole 'scene that celebrates itself ' ethos had its
                                  apparently
                                  > > natural home. A recently published collection of NME articles
                                  from
                                  > > the 1990's proves this - the magazine includes reprints of early
                                  > > features on Suede, Pulp, Oasis, Supergrass, with only a token
                                  > > mention for Lush, and a slightly begrudged piece on Blur. Anyhow
                                  > > here's the full article (250 words or so) ....
                                  > > 
                                  > > REISSUE OF THE WEEK
                                  > > The sonic cathedral's patron saints get a welcome revisit
                                  > > 
                                  > > SLOWDIVE
                                  > > Souvlaki (Castle) 
                                  > > 
                                  > > Time for some time-travel. The year is 1993, and it's only a
                                  > matter
                                  > > of time before My Bloody Valentine effectively bankrupt Alan
                                  > McGee's
                                  > > Creation Records. Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell are the
                                  central
                                  > > couple at the heart of Slowdive - a Reading-based group named
                                  > after
                                  > > a Siouxsie And The Banshees song; but whose Year Zero,
                                  musicwise,
                                  > is
                                  > > the Jesus And Marychain's psychotic feedback pop. Slowdive have
                                  > > effectively flipped the script with 'Souvlaki' as Suede's star
                                  is
                                  > on
                                  > > the rise, and the 'shoegazing' movement they're shackled to has
                                  > > crashed and burned. With peers like Chapterhouse,Lush, Ride,
                                  Moose
                                  > > and many more, Slowdive have ventured beyond prosaic
                                  limitiation,
                                  > to
                                  > > capture love in a void, love in the abyss, love lost, love
                                  split,
                                  > > love reformed ...
                                  > > If all this carries a faint hint of pretentiousnes, just recall
                                  > the
                                  > > purple prose that greeted 'Souvlaki' on its inception. A new
                                  > > generation needs to be pointed in the direction of the
                                  > possibilities
                                  > > of guitars, beyond honest-joe, meat 'n' potatoes, lumpen
                                  rock 'n'
                                  > > roll. This is sound as crystal:a lesson in how to stay forever
                                  > young
                                  > > in spirit: in how to appear and disappear at will: and in how to
                                  > > make a state of nothingness count.
                                  > > Although long ridiculed for staring downwards at effects pedals
                                  > > onstage ('shoegazing'), and, in effect, being anti-
                                  entertainment,
                                  > > Slowdive's power is in the sound-pictures. Anti-image as image.
                                  > > With 'Melon Yellow's' backwards-masked rhythms and guitars as
                                  > > keyboards, Slowdive seem to have stepped outside time
                                  altogether,
                                  > > and just drifted along on pure bliss.
                                  > > In 2006, the incredible 'Souvlaki Space Station' retains the
                                  > > currency of innovation - ambient dub that's not pretend-Jamaican
                                  > but
                                  > > with a depth-charge bassline, and the sonics and voices fused as
                                  > > one. 'Moussaka Chaos' presents itself as '...Space Station"s
                                  > reverse
                                  > > image, a dub of a dub,if you like.
                                  > > Ambient pioneer Brian Eno's production hands are in here too.
                                  > > For 'Sing' he replaces the trademark guitar washes and swooshes
                                  > with
                                  > > bleeps and squiggles. Slowdive's music, to reiterate, is music
                                  you
                                  > > can see. The way 'Machine Gun' floats off in the clouds; the
                                  dream-
                                  > > state recording of 'So Tired' that approximates slipping in and
                                  > out
                                  > > of consciousness, in and out of focus ...
                                  > > So, 13 years ago,'Alison' had heavenly harmonies and melodies,
                                  > > guitars that spoke in various tongues, and a musical whole that
                                  > just
                                  > > swirled around your solar plexus, at the requisite volume. To
                                  > bring
                                  > > Slowdive back now is to return to a virtual-reality drug-induced
                                  > > haze made by people who don't take drugs. It's also to resurrect
                                  > the
                                  > > contrast between Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell's delicate,
                                  but
                                  > > never wispy, voices. But timing is everything: theirs is a world
                                  > > that has been resurrected in recent years by the likes of
                                  Autolux
                                  > > and Engineers, Sigur Ros and Ulrich Schnauss. Nu-gaze it may be,
                                  > but
                                  > > it owes a debt to the past.
                                  > > Mediate on how the closing 'Dagger' changes everything around
                                  > again,
                                  > > as Slowdive go acoustic - an ode to the closeness of a
                                  > relationship
                                  > > that mixes empathy and sympathy, noises and silences. Just like
                                  > real
                                  > > life,only enhanced even more. To think it all somehow still
                                  seems
                                  > > like a passing dream ...
                                  > > 
                                  > > Dele Fadele
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > WHAT NME SAID (THEN)
                                  > > Slowdive have banished the barriers restricting creativity.
                                  > They're
                                  > > here to peddle an otherworldly noise which thrives on trembling
                                  > > shapes and tumbling dimensions, where atmosphere - drenched
                                  > > dramatics coalesce with shimmering with shimmering distortion to
                                  > > induce sublime, elegant swirls. When they really relax, Slowdive
                                  > can
                                  > > make Cocteau Twins sound like Mudhoney.
                                  > > Slowdive wield a double-edge sword, Slowdive epitomise the calm
                                  > > after the headsplitting feedback-spitting guitar storm. Yeah,
                                  > > Slowdive sound like sky
                                  > > 
                                  > > February 23, 1991
                                  > > Simon Williams 
                                  > > 
                                  > > 
                                  > > 
                                  > > Jen <jdloc4@> wrote:
                                  > > Hiya - If you get (have gotten) the NME Slowdive retrospective,
                                  > can
                                  > > you give a lil recap here of what those crazy cats at the NME
                                  are
                                  > > saying?  Do they give props to any other S-gazer bands?  Just
                                  > > curious, and as I'm snowed in, I won't be getting to a book
                                  > > (magazine) store anytime soon!  :0
                                  > >
                                  > > Jen
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, Jon Gordon
                                  > > <chateau_distorted@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Looking over this thread makes me realise that the
                                  similarities
                                  > > betweeen Metal and S-gaze are far more a matter of equipment
                                  > rather
                                  > > than songwriting or playing ability: Les Paul Standard +
                                  Marshall
                                  > > amp
                                  > > = Loveless / Use Your Illusion while Gretsch + Mesa Boogie =
                                  > Stoned
                                  > > And Dethroned / ...... er, your metal types never seem to use
                                  > > Gretsch
                                  > > or Aria or Hamer or any of those 'indie' type guitars do they?
                                  > > Famously the JAMC smashed up a very expensive big red Gibson
                                  semi-
                                  > > acoustic onstage (the notorious Lewisham Poly riot incident) and
                                  > > were
                                  > > promptly dropped by Creation for costing McGee a whole weeks
                                  lunch
                                  > > money.
                                  > > >   And don't miss this weeks NME (UK edition) for a seriously
                                  > late
                                  > > Slowdive retrospective bandwagon hop.
                                  > >
                                  >






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                                • Hewick Kevin
                                  Nothing that profound to add here but its amazing to think I once saw Slowdive stood right at the front at Leicester University,first album era..I always
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                                    Nothing that profound to add here but its amazing to think I once saw Slowdive stood right at the front at Leicester University,first album era..I always thought they were underestimated at the time,great to see some appreciation for them now - its never too late lol!
                                     
                                    I loved shoegaze stuff yet its time in favour was so brief ,it was such epic,ambitious,limitless music..but,here in the UK anyway,ladmag fooball music was around the corner..that and US grunge.
                                    Still,I owe shoegaze a lot,it reminded me of the psychedelia of when I was a kid and made me look at new music again and inspired me in my work too and one related band,Lush,are all time favourites of mine,much loved and still often listened to.KH x

                                    Jen <jdloc4@...> wrote:
                                    Just a quick correction - I typed that the song Sing was not on
                                    Slowdive's Souvlaki album, but I meant the song So Tired.

                                    These are my Top 10 Slowdive Songs; what are yours?

                                    1.  She Calls (love that propulsive, bass-heavy drumbeat)
                                    2.  Souvlaki Space Station (I think I've already covered this and
                                    the above song in previous messages!)
                                    3.  When the Sun Hits (love the chiming, sweeping guitars and dual
                                    vocals)
                                    4.  Some Velvet Morning (well, it's a cover, but Slowdive really
                                    claim it as their own here)
                                    5.  So Tired (companion piece to Suisefine by My Bloody Valentine)
                                    6.  Alison (showcase for Neil's vocals and dreamy guitar sound)
                                    7.  Sing (showcase for Rachel's melancholy, but bright, vocals)
                                    8.  Catch the Breeze (my introduction to Slowdive; glorious, shiver-
                                    inducing ending)
                                    9.  Primal  (for once, a darker, spiraling down sound)
                                    10.  This is a toss-up of most of the songs on the Blue Day ep: 
                                    Slowdive, Morningrise, Avalyn 1...they're all beautiful.

                                    Ok, this is going to be a bit of an odd question, but I haven't
                                    listened to Souvlaki for a while, or at least not the album in its
                                    entirety - and when thinking about the song Alison versus other
                                    songs that Neil sings on - I'm wondering if it is him singing on
                                    Alison?!  All of a sudden, while typing up my list, it hit me that
                                    the male vocals on Alison are more androgynous and lighter than how
                                    Neil usually sings...Maybe I'm just mistaken and will have to listen
                                    to that song asap!

                                    Jen

                                    --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@...>
                                    wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Thank you so much for typing and posting this article!  :) 
                                    > Interesting to read, with some thoughts being in line with my own,
                                    > but others going off in a different direction...
                                    >
                                    > Here's the thing: I think the 1st half of the Souvlaki album is
                                    > brilliant - and most of the 2nd half is a crashing bore (with the
                                    > exception of the Some Velvet Morning cover and the low-key
                                    Dagger). 
                                    > I know the album is trumpeted as a masterpiece, especially in
                                    > retrospect, but the songs Altogether and Mellon Yellow are half-
                                    > baked and drab and don't sound like shoegazer tunes - and the last
                                    3
                                    > songs are knob-twiddling, repetitive, electronica-lite, and once
                                    > again, are not glorious shoegazer tunes, like the beginning of
                                    album.
                                    >
                                    > Moving on to this NME article, the reviewer talks about 2 songs
                                    that
                                    > aren't even on Souvlaki - Moussaka Chaos and Sing!  Two great
                                    songs
                                    > that were on the Outside Your Room ep...
                                    >
                                    > Of course, it being the NME (or even if was Melody Maker), we get
                                    a
                                    > lot of precious, pretentious purple prose - but a lot of it is
                                    > actually spot on because most of the early songs of Slowdive do
                                    > ascend to the sky and do swirl and spiral away.  What's great
                                    about
                                    > most of Souvlaki (compared to their 1st album Just for a Day or
                                    > their forays into electronia) is that there are *actual* songs on
                                    > the album - hummable, catchy tunes, that, even though most go on
                                    > past that 3-minute-pop-song mark, are still memorable and grandly
                                    > melancholy or uplifting.  Encapsulate Souvlaki Space Station in
                                    pill
                                    > form and we'd all be walking around happy and feeling strangely
                                    > buoyant...LOL
                                    >
                                    > Ok, enough of my purple prose...What do you all think of this
                                    > article and/or Slowdive and/or Souvlaki album?
                                    >
                                    > Jen
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Sorry for the duplicate postings of this article; here is the
                                    > > complete Slowdive Retrospective article from NME, typed out
                                    > > by "chateau_distorted":
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > You might remember that in the late 80's early 90's shoegaze
                                    press
                                    > > was almost entirely handled through the Melody Maker, which is
                                    > where
                                    > > the whole 'scene that celebrates itself ' ethos had its
                                    apparently
                                    > > natural home. A recently published collection of NME articles
                                    from
                                    > > the 1990's proves this - the magazine includes reprints of early
                                    > > features on Suede, Pulp, Oasis, Supergrass, with only a token
                                    > > mention for Lush, and a slightly begrudged piece on Blur. Anyhow
                                    > > here's the full article (250 words or so) ....
                                    > > 
                                    > > REISSUE OF THE WEEK
                                    > > The sonic cathedral's patron saints get a welcome revisit
                                    > > 
                                    > > SLOWDIVE
                                    > > Souvlaki (Castle) 
                                    > > 
                                    > > Time for some time-travel. The year is 1993, and it's only a
                                    > matter
                                    > > of time before My Bloody Valentine effectively bankrupt Alan
                                    > McGee's
                                    > > Creation Records. Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell are the
                                    central
                                    > > couple at the heart of Slowdive - a Reading-based group named
                                    > after
                                    > > a Siouxsie And The Banshees song; but whose Year Zero,
                                    musicwise,
                                    > is
                                    > > the Jesus And Marychain's psychotic feedback pop. Slowdive have
                                    > > effectively flipped the script with 'Souvlaki' as Suede's star
                                    is
                                    > on
                                    > > the rise, and the 'shoegazing' movement they're shackled to has
                                    > > crashed and burned. With peers like Chapterhouse,Lush, Ride,
                                    Moose
                                    > > and many more, Slowdive have ventured beyond prosaic
                                    limitiation,
                                    > to
                                    > > capture love in a void, love in the abyss, love lost, love
                                    split,
                                    > > love reformed ...
                                    > > If all this carries a faint hint of pretentiousnes, just recall
                                    > the
                                    > > purple prose that greeted 'Souvlaki' on its inception. A new
                                    > > generation needs to be pointed in the direction of the
                                    > possibilities
                                    > > of guitars, beyond honest-joe, meat 'n' potatoes, lumpen
                                    rock 'n'
                                    > > roll. This is sound as crystal:a lesson in how to stay forever
                                    > young
                                    > > in spirit: in how to appear and disappear at will: and in how to
                                    > > make a state of nothingness count.
                                    > > Although long ridiculed for staring downwards at effects pedals
                                    > > onstage ('shoegazing'), and, in effect, being anti-
                                    entertainment,
                                    > > Slowdive's power is in the sound-pictures. Anti-image as image.
                                    > > With 'Melon Yellow's' backwards-masked rhythms and guitars as
                                    > > keyboards, Slowdive seem to have stepped outside time
                                    altogether,
                                    > > and just drifted along on pure bliss.
                                    > > In 2006, the incredible 'Souvlaki Space Station' retains the
                                    > > currency of innovation - ambient dub that's not pretend-Jamaican
                                    > but
                                    > > with a depth-charge bassline, and the sonics and voices fused as
                                    > > one. 'Moussaka Chaos' presents itself as '...Space Station"s
                                    > reverse
                                    > > image, a dub of a dub,if you like.
                                    > > Ambient pioneer Brian Eno's production hands are in here too.
                                    > > For 'Sing' he replaces the trademark guitar washes and swooshes
                                    > with
                                    > > bleeps and squiggles. Slowdive's music, to reiterate, is music
                                    you
                                    > > can see. The way 'Machine Gun' floats off in the clouds; the
                                    dream-
                                    > > state recording of 'So Tired' that approximates slipping in and
                                    > out
                                    > > of consciousness, in and out of focus ...
                                    > > So, 13 years ago,'Alison' had heavenly harmonies and melodies,
                                    > > guitars that spoke in various tongues, and a musical whole that
                                    > just
                                    > > swirled around your solar plexus, at the requisite volume. To
                                    > bring
                                    > > Slowdive back now is to return to a virtual-reality drug-induced
                                    > > haze made by people who don't take drugs. It's also to resurrect
                                    > the
                                    > > contrast between Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell's delicate,
                                    but
                                    > > never wispy, voices. But timing is everything: theirs is a world
                                    > > that has been resurrected in recent years by the likes of
                                    Autolux
                                    > > and Engineers, Sigur Ros and Ulrich Schnauss. Nu-gaze it may be,
                                    > but
                                    > > it owes a debt to the past.
                                    > > Mediate on how the closing 'Dagger' changes everything around
                                    > again,
                                    > > as Slowdive go acoustic - an ode to the closeness of a
                                    > relationship
                                    > > that mixes empathy and sympathy, noises and silences. Just like
                                    > real
                                    > > life,only enhanced even more. To think it all somehow still
                                    seems
                                    > > like a passing dream ...
                                    > > 
                                    > > Dele Fadele
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > WHAT NME SAID (THEN)
                                    > > Slowdive have banished the barriers restricting creativity.
                                    > They're
                                    > > here to peddle an otherworldly noise which thrives on trembling
                                    > > shapes and tumbling dimensions, where atmosphere - drenched
                                    > > dramatics coalesce with shimmering with shimmering distortion to
                                    > > induce sublime, elegant swirls. When they really relax, Slowdive
                                    > can
                                    > > make Cocteau Twins sound like Mudhoney.
                                    > > Slowdive wield a double-edge sword, Slowdive epitomise the calm
                                    > > after the headsplitting feedback-spitting guitar storm. Yeah,
                                    > > Slowdive sound like sky
                                    > > 
                                    > > February 23, 1991
                                    > > Simon Williams 
                                    > > 
                                    > > 
                                    > > 
                                    > > Jen <jdloc4@> wrote:
                                    > > Hiya - If you get (have gotten) the NME Slowdive retrospective,
                                    > can
                                    > > you give a lil recap here of what those crazy cats at the NME
                                    are
                                    > > saying?  Do they give props to any other S-gazer bands?  Just
                                    > > curious, and as I'm snowed in, I won't be getting to a book
                                    > > (magazine) store anytime soon!  :0
                                    > >
                                    > > Jen
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, Jon Gordon
                                    > > <chateau_distorted@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Looking over this thread makes me realise that the
                                    similarities
                                    > > betweeen Metal and S-gaze are far more a matter of equipment
                                    > rather
                                    > > than songwriting or playing ability: Les Paul Standard +
                                    Marshall
                                    > > amp
                                    > > = Loveless / Use Your Illusion while Gretsch + Mesa Boogie =
                                    > Stoned
                                    > > And Dethroned / ...... er, your metal types never seem to use
                                    > > Gretsch
                                    > > or Aria or Hamer or any of those 'indie' type guitars do they?
                                    > > Famously the JAMC smashed up a very expensive big red Gibson
                                    semi-
                                    > > acoustic onstage (the notorious Lewisham Poly riot incident) and
                                    > > were
                                    > > promptly dropped by Creation for costing McGee a whole weeks
                                    lunch
                                    > > money.
                                    > > >   And don't miss this weeks NME (UK edition) for a seriously
                                    > late
                                    > > Slowdive retrospective bandwagon hop.
                                    > >
                                    >






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                                    Hey KH - Great to hear from you. :) That s so wonderful that you had the chance to see/hear Slowdive live. Do you remember the sound or the songs at all,
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                                      Hey KH - Great to hear from you. :) That's so wonderful that you
                                      had the chance to see/hear Slowdive live. Do you remember the sound
                                      or the songs at all, and if it approximated the album, or if it was
                                      a harder, edgier sound live?

                                      A lot of bands say that they 'rock out' live as opposed to what gets
                                      pressed on their albums, and I'm wondering what the live Slowdive
                                      experience is like.

                                      It is amazing how short the time-span of original shoegazer/dream-
                                      pop music was (at least in the press!), but how it continues to
                                      influence and grow, either in other, newer bands, or older bands
                                      picking up or continuing their work.

                                      Yes, Lush is definitely my choice too, for repeated listens. :) To
                                      me, most of the songs and the lyrics still sound as fresh and vital
                                      as when they were released.

                                      Jen

                                      --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, Hewick Kevin
                                      <kevinhewick@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Nothing that profound to add here but its amazing to think I once
                                      saw Slowdive stood right at the front at Leicester University,first
                                      album era..I always thought they were underestimated at the
                                      time,great to see some appreciation for them now - its never too
                                      late lol!
                                      >
                                      > I loved shoegaze stuff yet its time in favour was so brief ,it
                                      was such epic,ambitious,limitless music..but,here in the UK
                                      anyway,ladmag fooball music was around the corner..that and US
                                      grunge.
                                      > Still,I owe shoegaze a lot,it reminded me of the psychedelia of
                                      when I was a kid and made me look at new music again and inspired me
                                      in my work too and one related band,Lush,are all time favourites of
                                      mine,much loved and still often listened to.KH x
                                      >
                                      > Jen <jdloc4@...> wrote:
                                      > Just a quick correction - I typed that the song Sing was not on
                                      > Slowdive's Souvlaki album, but I meant the song So Tired.
                                      >
                                      > These are my Top 10 Slowdive Songs; what are yours?
                                      >
                                      > 1. She Calls (love that propulsive, bass-heavy drumbeat)
                                      > 2. Souvlaki Space Station (I think I've already covered this and
                                      > the above song in previous messages!)
                                      > 3. When the Sun Hits (love the chiming, sweeping guitars and dual
                                      > vocals)
                                      > 4. Some Velvet Morning (well, it's a cover, but Slowdive really
                                      > claim it as their own here)
                                      > 5. So Tired (companion piece to Suisefine by My Bloody Valentine)
                                      > 6. Alison (showcase for Neil's vocals and dreamy guitar sound)
                                      > 7. Sing (showcase for Rachel's melancholy, but bright, vocals)
                                      > 8. Catch the Breeze (my introduction to Slowdive; glorious,
                                      shiver-
                                      > inducing ending)
                                      > 9. Primal (for once, a darker, spiraling down sound)
                                      > 10. This is a toss-up of most of the songs on the Blue Day ep:
                                      > Slowdive, Morningrise, Avalyn 1...they're all beautiful.
                                      >
                                      > Ok, this is going to be a bit of an odd question, but I haven't
                                      > listened to Souvlaki for a while, or at least not the album in its
                                      > entirety - and when thinking about the song Alison versus other
                                      > songs that Neil sings on - I'm wondering if it is him singing on
                                      > Alison?! All of a sudden, while typing up my list, it hit me that
                                      > the male vocals on Alison are more androgynous and lighter than
                                      how
                                      > Neil usually sings...Maybe I'm just mistaken and will have to
                                      listen
                                      > to that song asap!
                                      >
                                      > Jen
                                      >
                                      > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@>
                                      > wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Thank you so much for typing and posting this article! :)
                                      > > Interesting to read, with some thoughts being in line with my
                                      own,
                                      > > but others going off in a different direction...
                                      > >
                                      > > Here's the thing: I think the 1st half of the Souvlaki album is
                                      > > brilliant - and most of the 2nd half is a crashing bore (with
                                      the
                                      > > exception of the Some Velvet Morning cover and the low-key
                                      > Dagger).
                                      > > I know the album is trumpeted as a masterpiece, especially in
                                      > > retrospect, but the songs Altogether and Mellon Yellow are half-
                                      > > baked and drab and don't sound like shoegazer tunes - and the
                                      last
                                      > 3
                                      > > songs are knob-twiddling, repetitive, electronica-lite, and once
                                      > > again, are not glorious shoegazer tunes, like the beginning of
                                      > album.
                                      > >
                                      > > Moving on to this NME article, the reviewer talks about 2 songs
                                      > that
                                      > > aren't even on Souvlaki - Moussaka Chaos and Sing! Two great
                                      > songs
                                      > > that were on the Outside Your Room ep...
                                      > >
                                      > > Of course, it being the NME (or even if was Melody Maker), we
                                      get
                                      > a
                                      > > lot of precious, pretentious purple prose - but a lot of it is
                                      > > actually spot on because most of the early songs of Slowdive do
                                      > > ascend to the sky and do swirl and spiral away. What's great
                                      > about
                                      > > most of Souvlaki (compared to their 1st album Just for a Day or
                                      > > their forays into electronia) is that there are *actual* songs
                                      on
                                      > > the album - hummable, catchy tunes, that, even though most go on
                                      > > past that 3-minute-pop-song mark, are still memorable and
                                      grandly
                                      > > melancholy or uplifting. Encapsulate Souvlaki Space Station in
                                      > pill
                                      > > form and we'd all be walking around happy and feeling strangely
                                      > > buoyant...LOL
                                      > >
                                      > > Ok, enough of my purple prose...What do you all think of this
                                      > > article and/or Slowdive and/or Souvlaki album?
                                      > >
                                      > > Jen
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, "Jen" <jdloc4@>
                                      > > wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Sorry for the duplicate postings of this article; here is the
                                      > > > complete Slowdive Retrospective article from NME, typed out
                                      > > > by "chateau_distorted":
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > You might remember that in the late 80's early 90's shoegaze
                                      > press
                                      > > > was almost entirely handled through the Melody Maker, which is
                                      > > where
                                      > > > the whole 'scene that celebrates itself ' ethos had its
                                      > apparently
                                      > > > natural home. A recently published collection of NME articles
                                      > from
                                      > > > the 1990's proves this - the magazine includes reprints of
                                      early
                                      > > > features on Suede, Pulp, Oasis, Supergrass, with only a token
                                      > > > mention for Lush, and a slightly begrudged piece on Blur.
                                      Anyhow
                                      > > > here's the full article (250 words or so) ....
                                      > > >
                                      > > > REISSUE OF THE WEEK
                                      > > > The sonic cathedral's patron saints get a welcome revisit
                                      > > >
                                      > > > SLOWDIVE
                                      > > > Souvlaki (Castle)
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Time for some time-travel. The year is 1993, and it's only a
                                      > > matter
                                      > > > of time before My Bloody Valentine effectively bankrupt Alan
                                      > > McGee's
                                      > > > Creation Records. Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell are the
                                      > central
                                      > > > couple at the heart of Slowdive - a Reading-based group named
                                      > > after
                                      > > > a Siouxsie And The Banshees song; but whose Year Zero,
                                      > musicwise,
                                      > > is
                                      > > > the Jesus And Marychain's psychotic feedback pop. Slowdive
                                      have
                                      > > > effectively flipped the script with 'Souvlaki' as Suede's star
                                      > is
                                      > > on
                                      > > > the rise, and the 'shoegazing' movement they're shackled to
                                      has
                                      > > > crashed and burned. With peers like Chapterhouse,Lush, Ride,
                                      > Moose
                                      > > > and many more, Slowdive have ventured beyond prosaic
                                      > limitiation,
                                      > > to
                                      > > > capture love in a void, love in the abyss, love lost, love
                                      > split,
                                      > > > love reformed ...
                                      > > > If all this carries a faint hint of pretentiousnes, just
                                      recall
                                      > > the
                                      > > > purple prose that greeted 'Souvlaki' on its inception. A new
                                      > > > generation needs to be pointed in the direction of the
                                      > > possibilities
                                      > > > of guitars, beyond honest-joe, meat 'n' potatoes, lumpen
                                      > rock 'n'
                                      > > > roll. This is sound as crystal:a lesson in how to stay forever
                                      > > young
                                      > > > in spirit: in how to appear and disappear at will: and in how
                                      to
                                      > > > make a state of nothingness count.
                                      > > > Although long ridiculed for staring downwards at effects
                                      pedals
                                      > > > onstage ('shoegazing'), and, in effect, being anti-
                                      > entertainment,
                                      > > > Slowdive's power is in the sound-pictures. Anti-image as
                                      image.
                                      > > > With 'Melon Yellow's' backwards-masked rhythms and guitars as
                                      > > > keyboards, Slowdive seem to have stepped outside time
                                      > altogether,
                                      > > > and just drifted along on pure bliss.
                                      > > > In 2006, the incredible 'Souvlaki Space Station' retains the
                                      > > > currency of innovation - ambient dub that's not pretend-
                                      Jamaican
                                      > > but
                                      > > > with a depth-charge bassline, and the sonics and voices fused
                                      as
                                      > > > one. 'Moussaka Chaos' presents itself as '...Space Station"s
                                      > > reverse
                                      > > > image, a dub of a dub,if you like.
                                      > > > Ambient pioneer Brian Eno's production hands are in here too.
                                      > > > For 'Sing' he replaces the trademark guitar washes and
                                      swooshes
                                      > > with
                                      > > > bleeps and squiggles. Slowdive's music, to reiterate, is music
                                      > you
                                      > > > can see. The way 'Machine Gun' floats off in the clouds; the
                                      > dream-
                                      > > > state recording of 'So Tired' that approximates slipping in
                                      and
                                      > > out
                                      > > > of consciousness, in and out of focus ...
                                      > > > So, 13 years ago,'Alison' had heavenly harmonies and melodies,
                                      > > > guitars that spoke in various tongues, and a musical whole
                                      that
                                      > > just
                                      > > > swirled around your solar plexus, at the requisite volume. To
                                      > > bring
                                      > > > Slowdive back now is to return to a virtual-reality drug-
                                      induced
                                      > > > haze made by people who don't take drugs. It's also to
                                      resurrect
                                      > > the
                                      > > > contrast between Neil Halstead and Rachel Goswell's delicate,
                                      > but
                                      > > > never wispy, voices. But timing is everything: theirs is a
                                      world
                                      > > > that has been resurrected in recent years by the likes of
                                      > Autolux
                                      > > > and Engineers, Sigur Ros and Ulrich Schnauss. Nu-gaze it may
                                      be,
                                      > > but
                                      > > > it owes a debt to the past.
                                      > > > Mediate on how the closing 'Dagger' changes everything around
                                      > > again,
                                      > > > as Slowdive go acoustic - an ode to the closeness of a
                                      > > relationship
                                      > > > that mixes empathy and sympathy, noises and silences. Just
                                      like
                                      > > real
                                      > > > life,only enhanced even more. To think it all somehow still
                                      > seems
                                      > > > like a passing dream ...
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Dele Fadele
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > WHAT NME SAID (THEN)
                                      > > > Slowdive have banished the barriers restricting creativity.
                                      > > They're
                                      > > > here to peddle an otherworldly noise which thrives on
                                      trembling
                                      > > > shapes and tumbling dimensions, where atmosphere - drenched
                                      > > > dramatics coalesce with shimmering with shimmering distortion
                                      to
                                      > > > induce sublime, elegant swirls. When they really relax,
                                      Slowdive
                                      > > can
                                      > > > make Cocteau Twins sound like Mudhoney.
                                      > > > Slowdive wield a double-edge sword, Slowdive epitomise the
                                      calm
                                      > > > after the headsplitting feedback-spitting guitar storm. Yeah,
                                      > > > Slowdive sound like sky
                                      > > >
                                      > > > February 23, 1991
                                      > > > Simon Williams
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Jen <jdloc4@> wrote:
                                      > > > Hiya - If you get (have gotten) the NME Slowdive
                                      retrospective,
                                      > > can
                                      > > > you give a lil recap here of what those crazy cats at the NME
                                      > are
                                      > > > saying? Do they give props to any other S-gazer bands? Just
                                      > > > curious, and as I'm snowed in, I won't be getting to a book
                                      > > > (magazine) store anytime soon! :0
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Jen
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- In Stratosphere_Fanzine@yahoogroups.com, Jon Gordon
                                      > > > <chateau_distorted@> wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Looking over this thread makes me realise that the
                                      > similarities
                                      > > > betweeen Metal and S-gaze are far more a matter of equipment
                                      > > rather
                                      > > > than songwriting or playing ability: Les Paul Standard +
                                      > Marshall
                                      > > > amp
                                      > > > = Loveless / Use Your Illusion while Gretsch + Mesa Boogie =
                                      > > Stoned
                                      > > > And Dethroned / ...... er, your metal types never seem to use
                                      > > > Gretsch
                                      > > > or Aria or Hamer or any of those 'indie' type guitars do they?
                                      > > > Famously the JAMC smashed up a very expensive big red Gibson
                                      > semi-
                                      > > > acoustic onstage (the notorious Lewisham Poly riot incident)
                                      and
                                      > > > were
                                      > > > promptly dropped by Creation for costing McGee a whole weeks
                                      > lunch
                                      > > > money.
                                      > > > > And don't miss this weeks NME (UK edition) for a seriously
                                      > > late
                                      > > > Slowdive retrospective bandwagon hop.
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      >
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