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  • Dennis May
    I just finished watching the Firefly series. Watching it in order makes a real difference. I had seen 3-4 episodes out of order prior to buying the DVDs. It
    Message 1 of 16 , Sep 2, 2004
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      I just finished watching the Firefly series. Watching it in order makes a
      real
      difference. I had seen 3-4 episodes out of order prior to buying the DVDs.

      It is clear the series terminated prematurely. I enjoy the frontier aspect
      mixed
      with high tech and low tech. The newer Star Trek series were flawed in
      their
      antiseptic view of the future. The original series occasionally showed the
      more
      likely aspects of a frontier still developing. Firefly has the fun frontier
      flavor but
      they go overboard in some respects. How likely is it that lever action
      rifles,
      which are obsolete for combat use today, will become popular hundreds of
      years
      from now in remote space? I did see a model of H&K pistol I used to own.

      The contrast between frontier life versus stifling central planet life is
      interesting.
      It resembles the conflict between "Old Europe" as modeled in the NorthEast
      United States [John Kerry Massachusetts socialists] and the rural Midwest.

      A definite change in pace for science fiction. I recommend the series for
      many philosophical and political reasons.

      Dennis May
    • Monart Pon
      I m glad you enjoyed Firefly, Dennis. I assume you caught the recent posts here about it and about the movie coming out in April 2005. Do you like it enough to
      Message 2 of 16 , Sep 2, 2004
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        I'm glad you enjoyed Firefly, Dennis. I assume you caught the recent posts here about it and about the movie coming out in April 2004. Do you like it enough to watch it again (and again)?

        -Monart

        Dennis May wrote:
        I just finished watching the Firefly series.  [...]
        A definite change in pace for science fiction.  I recommend the series for
        many philosophical and political reasons.

        Dennis May


      • Monart Pon
        Correction: I keep getting the year wrong: I meant April 2005 , April 22, 2005, to be exact. Monart
        Message 3 of 16 , Sep 2, 2004
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          Correction: I keep getting the year wrong: I meant "April 2005", April
          22, 2005, to be exact.

          Monart

          Monart Pon wrote:

          > I'm glad you enjoyed Firefly, Dennis. I assume you caught the recent
          > posts here about it and about the movie coming out in April 2004. Do
          > you like it enough to watch it again (and again)?
          >
          > -Monart
          >
          > Dennis May wrote:
          >
          >> I just finished watching the Firefly series. [...]
          >> A definite change in pace for science fiction. I recommend the
          >> series for
          >> many philosophical and political reasons.
          >>
          >> Dennis May
        • Dennis May
          ... So far Forbidden Planet and Dune are the only science fiction movies I have watched over and over. As for science fiction TV only the original Star
          Message 4 of 16 , Sep 3, 2004
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            Monart Pon wrote:

            >I'm glad you enjoyed Firefly, Dennis. I assume you caught the recent posts
            >here about it and about the movie coming out in April 2005. Do you like it
            >enough to watch it again (and again)?

            So far "Forbidden Planet" and "Dune" are the only science fiction movies
            I have watched over and over. As for science fiction TV only the original
            "Star Trek" has gotten a repeated watching. We will see if "Firefly"
            keeps me interested.

            Dennis
          • Dennis May
            Based on the fact that I have been thinking about Firefly half the day there is a good chance I will rewatch it again soon - my brother gets to borrow it
            Message 5 of 16 , Sep 3, 2004
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              Based on the fact that I have been thinking about Firefly half the day there
              is
              a good chance I will rewatch it again soon - my brother gets to borrow it
              first.

              Dennis

              >Monart Pon wrote:
              >
              > >I'm glad you enjoyed Firefly, Dennis. I assume you caught the recent
              >posts
              > >here about it and about the movie coming out in April 2005. Do you like
              >it
              > >enough to watch it again (and again)?
              >
              >So far "Forbidden Planet" and "Dune" are the only science fiction movies
              >I have watched over and over. As for science fiction TV only the original
              >"Star Trek" has gotten a repeated watching. We will see if "Firefly"
              >keeps me interested.
              >
              >Dennis
              >
              >
            • Monart Pon
              Ah, Dennis, that s a sure sign of incipient obsession: your persistent thinking about Firefly. Don t get hooked, Dennis, like I am -- having watched it myself
              Message 6 of 16 , Sep 4, 2004
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                Ah, Dennis, that's a sure sign of incipient obsession: your persistent thinking about Firefly. Don't get hooked, Dennis, like I am -- having watched it myself nine times through, with no resistance against the tenth ;). And you're a Westerner, too, who are even more susceptible. (Which episodes did you like more, or thought were the best done?)

                (Is "Forbidden Planet" an old movie from the 50's? I think I've watched it once long ago.)

                -Monart

                Dennis May wrote:
                Based on the fact that I have been thinking about Firefly half the day there is
                a good chance I will rewatch it again soon - my brother gets to borrow it
                first.

                Dennis

                >Monart Pon wrote:
                >
                >>I'm glad you enjoyed Firefly, Dennis. I assume you caught the recent posts
                >>here about it and about the movie coming out in April 2005. Do you like
                >>enough to watch it again (and again)?
                >
                >So far "Forbidden Planet" and "Dune" are the only science fiction movies
                >I have watched over and over.  As for science fiction TV only the original
                >"Star Trek" has gotten a repeated watching.  We will see if "Firefly"
                >keeps me interested.
                >
                >Dennis

              • Dennis May
                Forbidden Planet was made in 1956. A clear pre-cursor to the original Star Trek . I m not sure which episodes of Firefly I liked best. The situation
                Message 7 of 16 , Sep 4, 2004
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                  "Forbidden Planet" was made in 1956. A clear pre-cursor to the
                  original "Star Trek".

                  I'm not sure which episodes of Firefly I liked best.
                  The situation between the Captain and the Companion reminded
                  me of the kind of tension I have felt in my life more than once.
                  I do like the frontier aspects of the series - there is a logic in
                  the idea that early settlers will have to use older technologies
                  mixed with the new until infrastructure builds up.

                  The history of the Sheppard was not developed enough - that
                  might have been coming up had the series not terminated
                  prematurely. Perhaps a government man who saw too much
                  and turned to god and the frontier to find answers.

                  Why the Companion left luxury is also a mystery - perhaps to find
                  true love on the frontier where men are still free.

                  I also find the parallels to life/history in the Midwest/Southwest of the
                  United States interesting. The central planets resemble Europe,
                  the New England states, and large cities with stifling socialism.
                  Most of the great discoveries of history have occurred on the
                  frontiers - where freedom is maximized. I wish the Firefly universe
                  continued luck after the movie. Perhaps a spin-off series in the future.

                  It will be interesting when the bubble builds up for the industrialization
                  and settling of space. It could be the next dot.com but there will
                  always remain a frontier. An 11 trillion dollar American economy is
                  nothing compared to the resources of space - just in our solar system.
                  Government interference in economics and investment - and military
                  concerns will cause the bubble to build quite large before civilian
                  investment finally bursts forth into space.

                  Dennis May


                  >Ah, Dennis, that's a sure sign of incipient obsession: your persistent
                  >thinking about Firefly. Don't get hooked, Dennis, like I am -- having
                  >watched it myself nine times through, with no resistance against
                  >the tenth ;). And you're a Westerner, too, who are even more
                  >susceptible. (Which episodes did you like more, or thought were the
                  >best done?)
                  >
                  >(Is "Forbidden Planet" an old movie from the 50's? I think I've watched it
                  >once long ago.)
                  >
                  >-Monart
                  >
                  >Dennis May wrote:
                  >
                  >>Based on the fact that I have been thinking about Firefly half the day
                  >>there is a good chance I will rewatch it again soon - my brother gets to
                  >>borrow it first.
                  >>
                  >>Dennis
                  >>
                  >> >Monart Pon wrote:
                  >> >
                  >> >>I'm glad you enjoyed Firefly, Dennis. I assume you caught the recent
                  >> >>posts here about it and about the movie coming out in April 2005. Do
                  >>you
                  >> >>like enough to watch it again (and again)?
                  >> >
                  >> >So far "Forbidden Planet" and "Dune" are the only science fiction movies
                  >> >I have watched over and over. As for science fiction TV only the
                  >> >original "Star Trek" has gotten a repeated watching. We will see if
                  >> >"Firefly" keeps me interested.
                  >> >
                  >> >Dennis
                  >
                • Monart Pon
                  ... Not having seen Frobidden Planet since over 30 years ago, and it being available on DVD now, I ve ordered it from Amazon. I ll let you know what I think of
                  Message 8 of 16 , Sep 6, 2004
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                    Dennis May wrote:

                    > "Forbidden Planet" was made in 1956. A clear pre-cursor to the
                    > original "Star Trek".

                    Not having seen Frobidden Planet since over 30 years ago, and it being
                    available on DVD now, I've ordered it from Amazon. I'll let you know
                    what I think of it after seeing again at this age.

                    >
                    > I'm not sure which episodes of Firefly I liked best.
                    > The situation between the Captain and the Companion reminded
                    > me of the kind of tension I have felt in my life more than once.
                    > I do like the frontier aspects of the series - there is a logic in
                    > the idea that early settlers will have to use older technologies
                    > mixed with the new until infrastructure builds up.

                    My favorite episodes are "Out of Gas" and "War Stories" -- the former
                    depicts the essence of what the captain, the crew, and the ship are to
                    each other, and the latter shows the real Malcolm Reynolds under
                    tortuous pressure, literally. I also like the scenes where Mal and
                    Inara (the Companion) are double-speaking, saying they despise each
                    other and yet meaning they love each other. (Dennis, the "tension"
                    you felt, resembling that between Mal and Inara, did that resolve
                    favorably?)

                    >
                    > The history of the Sheppard was not developed enough - that
                    > might have been coming up had the series not terminated
                    > prematurely. Perhaps a government man who saw too much
                    > and turned to god and the frontier to find answers.

                    You could be right about that, or maybe Book (the shepherd) is a deep
                    undercover federal agent, or a double (Alliance/Independent) agent. His
                    past may be revealed (a bit more) in the upcoming movie.

                    >
                    > Why the Companion left luxury is also a mystery - perhaps to find
                    > true love on the frontier where men are still free.

                    One of the first (double-speak) lines Inara said to Mal when she was
                    inspecting the shuttle for rental was (paraphrasing): "You'll rent this
                    shuttle to me, and at a discount... because -- you want me...."

                    > I also find the parallels to life/history in the Midwest/Southwest of the
                    > United States interesting. The central planets resemble Europe,
                    > the New England states, and large cities with stifling socialism.
                    > Most of the great discoveries of history have occurred on the
                    > frontiers - where freedom is maximized. I wish the Firefly universe
                    > continued luck after the movie. Perhaps a spin-off series in the future.

                    Resuming the TV series is a likely possibility after the movie (which I
                    predict will sweep the continent, if not the world), given all the fan
                    activity indicated on the web. Partly it would depend on the
                    availability of the original cast, and partly on whether the TV network
                    powers and their backers and brokers want to silence the libertarian
                    ideas depicted in Firefly. (I even wonder if the Star Trek franchise
                    would oppose the competition from Firefly.)

                    >
                    > It will be interesting when the bubble builds up for the industrialization
                    > and settling of space. It could be the next dot.com but there will
                    > always remain a frontier. An 11 trillion dollar American economy is
                    > nothing compared to the resources of space - just in our solar system.
                    > Government interference in economics and investment - and military
                    > concerns will cause the bubble to build quite large before civilian
                    > investment finally bursts forth into space.

                    I agree with your forecast, that civilian advancement into space, a la
                    Firefly, will come about, even if government control will also extend
                    its reach there. Space will be too immense for effective involuntary
                    federalization.

                    Monart
                  • Dennis May
                    ... In general it is the problem that women do not want a man who first becomes their friend. The familiar is not as exciting as a stranger. Mal and Inara
                    Message 9 of 16 , Sep 7, 2004
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                      Monart Pon wrote:

                      >...I also like the scenes where Mal and
                      >Inara (the Companion) are double-speaking, saying they despise each
                      >other and yet meaning they love each other. (Dennis, the "tension"
                      >you felt, resembling that between Mal and Inara, did that resolve
                      >favorably?)

                      In general it is the problem that women do not want a man who first
                      becomes their friend. The familiar is not as exciting as a stranger.
                      Mal and Inara maintain their attraction by remaining strangers and
                      keeping secrets from each other.

                      Monart Pon wrote:

                      >Resuming the TV series is a likely possibility after the movie (which I
                      >predict will sweep the continent, if not the world), given all the fan
                      >activity indicated on the web. Partly it would depend on the
                      >availability of the original cast, and partly on whether the TV network
                      >powers and their backers and brokers want to silence the libertarian
                      >ideas depicted in Firefly. (I even wonder if the Star Trek franchise
                      >would oppose the competition from Firefly.)

                      I hope the spirit of Firefly is not compromised to allow it on the big
                      screen or back on TV. You should never underestimate the Hollywood
                      left and their political backstabbing.

                      I wrote:

                      >It will be interesting when the bubble builds up for the industrialization
                      >and settling of space. It could be the next dot.com but there will
                      >always remain a frontier. An 11 trillion dollar American economy is
                      >nothing compared to the resources of space - just in our solar system.
                      >Government interference in economics and investment - and military
                      >concerns will cause the bubble to build quite large before civilian
                      >investment finally bursts forth into space.

                      Monart Pon wrote:

                      >I agree with your forecast, that civilian advancement into space, a la
                      >Firefly, will come about, even if government control will also extend
                      >its reach there. Space will be too immense for effective involuntary
                      >federalization.

                      I have a real fear of a resurgence from the left in American politics.
                      Sapping American economic strength would have a severe negative
                      impact on high technology and further space development. Even the
                      Chinese and Europeans would have to cut their space efforts if
                      American economics falters. When governments falter they raise taxes
                      which will hurt civilian fund availability for R&D.

                      Dennis May
                    • Monart Pon
                      Firefly news: * Firefly release-date moved from April 22 to September 30, 2005, reportedly because of marketing reasons: a Star Wars movie coming out in the
                      Message 10 of 16 , Dec 25, 2004
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                        Firefly news:

                        * Firefly release-date moved from April 22 to September 30, 2005, reportedly
                        because of marketing reasons: a Star Wars movie coming out in the Spring.

                        http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/index.html?fuseaction=tools.shownews&news_id=105

                        * An advance screening was held on Dec 14. One review:

                        "The new film is smart, romantic, moving, fast-paced, action-packed and,
                        most crucially, one of the funniest films you'll see next year. It's
                        certain to be a must-see for every "Firefly" fan, as it answers every
                        question devotees may have harbored with regard to two important
                        elements of the series: The Reavers and River Tam. (It also offers a bit
                        of resolution with regard to two key shipboard romances.)"

                        http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=18992

                        * There may be more Serenity movies to follow: "Universal likes
                        'Firefly' as a movie. There WILL be more than just one. So there will be
                        instalments", said actor Alan Tudyk, when asked if the property might
                        come back on the small screen. Co-star Summer Glau, who plays psychic
                        River in the show and movie, went even further, suggesting plans for a
                        trilogy. "We are counting on it," said an excited Glau. "We all believe
                        it's going to happen, if everything goes as we expect it to, to make 3."

                        http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2004/Dec/EEN41bdc533aa90c.html

                        * Video interviews with cast:

                        http://www.iesb.net/movies2/movie120704.php

                        * Other comments on the advance screening:

                        http://whedonesque.com/?comments=5574


                        - Monart
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