Re: The Real Nichiren in WND 1 and 2
- --- In SokaGakkaiUnofficial@yahoogroups.com, ryuei2000 <no_reply@...>
> What I mean is that usually people take the law of cause and effectI agree, though that simplified view does at least seem logical enough
> to be a simple linear thing about personal moral causes and their
> effects down the line on our lives (a la Sharon Stone).
to get started in Buddhism. Progression beyond that is a problem
though, since people usually prefer the simple (yet logical) to the
more complex, all other things being equal. All IMO, of course.
> But theThats for all that. I was hoping you'd fill in those details, I'll
> Buddha's teaching on causality is actually a lot more complex and
> comprehensive than that (even in the so-called Hinayana sutras and
> Abhidahrma). The Buddha discusses different strands of causality
> dealing with inanimate matter, biological proceses, non-volitional
> mental processes, and a catch-all category called cryptically
> Dharmic processes (the actual word is Dharma-niyama) besides just
> karmic causality that deals with personal moral volitions and their
> consequences. Nichiren alludes to these in one of his letters to a
> sick follower, and Nichiren is citing T'ien-t'ai if I remember
> Anyway, the other Mahayana sutras go further. The Heart Sutra
> negates any substantialistic thinking about causes and effects. The
> Vimalakirti Sutra deals with non-duality of all kinds. The Flower
> Garland Sutra inspired a lot of thinking about mutual causality and
> especially a kind of causality that goes beyond our usual thinking
> about lineage time and geographical space. So the discussion about
> the law of cause and effect in terms of personal intentional
> activity and their outcome in linear time is barely scratching the
> surface of what Buddhism has to offer.
have to come back to it when I have more time.
> Oops, that was my bad writing at work. It wasn't that Nichiren wasAh, that clears it up, thank you.
> saying as you got older its more difficult. What I mean to say was
> that later in Nichiren's life he began to emphasize how there were
> barely anyone people in the Latter Age who could really take up
> silent forms of meditative contemplation.
I know the terseness of this reply does not quite do justice to the
length of your reply, but it at least serves as an acknowledgment.
- Hi Byrd: I'm going to send and e-mail to you re: recent news. I don't
recall your other address, so will send to your yahoo.
--- In SokaGakkaiUnofficial@yahoogroups.com, "Byrd Ehlmann"
> Hi, Lauren - I've been away from the board for awhile - who said
> that (below)? Good gravy, Nichiren was totaly engaged politicaly
> In fact, I think that's the only possible way to understand him in
> WH on earth would say such a thing to the membership? Perhaps
> someone who has a strong Christian background, and who thinks the
> same thing about Jesus (who was also a very, very political figure)
> Hoping you all have a wonderful week, Best, Byrd in LA
> --- In SokaGakkaiUnofficial@yahoogroups.com, "Lauren" <lkf225@>
> > I read this statement:
> > In the same way I have been
> > told that Nichiren was not a Political
> > figure and had nothing to do with
> > Politics... that he did not employ
> > Psychology in dealing with people
> > and that he did not engage in
> > worldly matters and events... and
> > his writings and person history
> > prove this.
> > And my jaw hit the floor. It felt akin to meeting someone who
> > thinks the world is flat or the the sun revolves around us. If I
> > to ever meet someone who felt this way, I'm not even sure what I
> > would do, because all of the Gosho that would disprove such a
> > are relatively long... and might take some digesting. But even
> > short biographies of Nichiren kill such a statement. Unlessflashing
> > just does not want to deal with this truth.
> > The front of WND Volume 1 has 15 pages on the "context"
> > cultural and religious) as well as a summary of Nichirne's life,
> > core beliefs and an explanation of the difference between his
> > of encouragement and his treatises and remonstrations.
> > I think it took me a long time, and a certain intellectual
> > to finally realize that those intros, prefaces and notes in the
> > of a book were worth reading.
> > Give folks a few nudges toward those front pages... it's as easy
> > looking for protein in tuna fish - trust me, it's in there! :-)
> > (I'm trying to make a reference to some commercial that's
> > and out of my brain, but I can't remember it. Phoey!)
> > Best regards,
> > Lauren Foster
> > Budding Buddha
> > --- In SokaGakkaiUnofficial@yahoogroups.com, "thedaddy@"
> > <thedaddy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ryuei2000 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If people would just read all the gosho in both volumes they
> > would
> > > > get a better picture of Nichiren as a whole. Of course the
> > problem
> > > > with this is that some of the writings are not authenticated
> > they
> > > > many not all be by Nichiren but by later followers. For
> > instance, I
> > > > am pretty convinced that Conversation Between a Sage and an
> > > > Unenlightened Man is a pastiche of genuine writings but put
> > together
> > > > by someone else either late in Nichiren's life or even after
> > > > passing. So it helps to evaluate this material with
> > and
> > > > textual scholarship. But even without that - simply reading
> > WND
> > > > Volumes 1 and 2 will show that there is more to Nichiren
> > > > than most people, even many of those who consider themselves
> > Nichiren
> > > > Budhdists, think.
> > > >
> > > > Namu Myoho Renge Kyo, Ryuei
> > > >
> > >
> > > Dear Ryuei
> > >
> > > Once again you express information that is quite true and yet
> > many
> > > will simply fall upon deaf ears. Your tenacity and patience has
> > be
> > > admired and respected!
> > >
> > > Your comment reminded me of a Televised debate I saw in which
> > > Bishop Desmond Tutu was debating the Bible with a
> > > Christian. The Fundamentalist stated "There is NothingPolitical
> > The
> > > Bible and Jesus had no interest in Politics!".
> > >
> > > Desmond Tutu just looked at him and said " I don't know which
> > you
> > > have been reading, but The Bible is one of the most Political
> > Documents
> > > there is and Jesus was a very Political figure."
> > >
> > > In the same way I have been told that Nichiren was not a
> > > Figure and had nothing to do with Politics... that he did not
> > employ
> > > Psychology in dealing with people and that he did not engage in
> > worldly
> > > matters and events... and his writings and person history prove
> > this.
> > >
> > > It is amazing how the supposedly most devout people will take a
> > text and
> > > fail to understand it because they ignore The Time, The Person
> > The
> > > Place and miss out all context. It is a pity that so many of
> > Nichiren's
> > > writings are De-contextualised and that there is no rationally
> > presented
> > > information which explicitly contextualises not Only Nichiren's
> > life but
> > > shows hoe his writings and thinking fitted over time and the
> > he
> > > was party too. Perhaps there is an opening here for someone to
> > produce
> > > such a book or set of volumes and further Nichiren's teachings
> > > remove some of the opportunities for delusion and
> > >
> > > Keep up the good work in setting the record straight!
> > >
> > > @~>~>~~~
> > >