Re: [SGI] interesting concept
I absolutely agree wqith you regarding trust. In selecting a
mentor, trust is so essential that it should not even be a
Mentoring with various members within the orginazition is always the
most sucessful approach. As you so indicated, it is very difficult
or even impossible to access President Ikeda directly. Many leaders
or members we mentor with themseleves may not necessarily have
direct access themselves, as well. Many times we have to rely on
acceptable reliable sources.
I can understand your observations over the years. I myself have
some very enjoyable memories with members and leaders over the years.
I have also had the fortune to practice with some very compassionate
members themselves. Some of them are leaders and some are not. On
the whole they are exhibit compassion for each other. This has been
my experience in Chicago, Washington, DC, Phoenix, Arizona, And now
Las Vegas. Maybe I am fortunate. I can not say. I can say I enjoy
any opportunities I have to meet with members, chant together, and
recently, I have been exploring the internet to see just what is out
there. I am really impressed with the amount of information
available at your finger tips. That alone is scary. WIthout some
sort of guidance, I would imagine it could become overwhelming.
Maybe even to the point of being counter-productive.
I know these are difficult times; as Nichiren Daishonin said they
would be. Anwsers appear to be everywhere. One that suits each of
us can only be answered from within ourselves.
Recently I have been reading 'Learning from the Gosho: The Eternal
Teachings of Nichiren Daishonin', by Daisuka Ikeda, as well as
various gosho's. These readings along with our dialogue has
encouraged my practice.
--- In SokaGakkaiInternational@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher H.
Holte <chris_holte@y...>" <chris_holte@y...> wrote:
> --- In SokaGakkaiInternational@yahoogroups.com, "vegaspatrick2002why
> <patmatthews@s...>" <patmatthews@s...> wrote:
> > Andy,
> > You do not always have direct access to your mentor. That is
> > there are other medium. I use the phone, pen and paper,computer
> > email and other available medium. The real key ingredient tothe
> > master/disciple relationship is TRUST.taught
> Now almost 30 years ago I heard about this Buddhism. And I was
> this Buddhism by a number of people, all of whom I consider tohave
> been mentors at one time or another. The idea that there can onlyknown
> be "one correct mentor" is so strange to me after all these
> experiences that it hardly seems the same Buddhism I've always
> and loved. It seems so insular. Like having only one way to draw aby
> picture or one way to write a letter.
> On the other hand, those mentors I had, all were in turn mentored
> others, and most of them had Ikeda as their own mentor. They wereexpect
> very fortunate that way. They could call him up for advice and
> encouragement. On the other hand, he seems to have left them ontheir
> own quite a bit. Most of them treasured a few incidents andotherwise
> had little direct contact with him.the
> I would note, that the key to any relationship is trust, and trust
> requires two parts. You must be able to trust the transmittor and
> message. The foundation of such trust has to be truth. If it isnot
> truth than the result is fanaticism or conflict, or both. That iswhy
> Buddhism teaches us to follow "dharma." Trust is earned with truth.because
> > All the other components come from that. You have to enter into
> > a relationship with trust first. If there is no trust, than why
> > bother to have a master/disciple relationship with the person.
> > If you do not want to learn and grow, what do you expect to get
> > from the master/disciple relationship.
> Now I must admit I've had trouble trusting the "messengers"
> through-out my practice, the message from SGI has been constantlywhirlwind
> changing. Mr. Williams used to joke about it. He was like a
> who would be constantly taking things off in new directions.Usually
> exciting but often jarringly different. One moment it was aculture
> festival, another a fund raiser, one moment street shakubuku,another
> it would be "friends making." No matter what direction we weregoing
> some things remained the same. And core to that was the need forand
> dialogue, being good friends to one another, taking initiative,
> studying and practicing true Buddhism. Since he has departedthings
> keep changing in exactly the same manner. The person may be gone,but
> the "karma" remains. Suddenly some of those "rock hard" teachingsconducive
> have vanished. The message keeps changing. That is hardly
> to trust.later
> Nevertheless I still believe and trust my mentors in SGI, on the
> areas that I know they know something. Even though some of them
> violated my trust, I've come to trust the law that they wereto
> teaching, which is the Buddhism that Nichiren introduced into the
> world in the 13th century. That is why one can be intensely loyal
> a teacher even if that teacher is just a human being after all.One
> has to have a seeking mind towards Buddhism. Then even a monstercan
> teach you, just as a monster taught Snow Mountain Boy.that
> Unfortunately we have to grow up. When Nichiren was at Seichoji
> temple he implicitly trusted his teachers. Later he discovered
> some of what they were teaching was nonsense. He didn't then startfor
> talking about how they were the "king devil of the sixth heaven"
> being so mistaken. He wrote them letters, paid them visits, andIn
> continued to express appreciation for what they had done for him.
> the end he convinced his mentor to embrace at least some of whathe
> taught. That is the true way of mentor/disciple. Ultimately it isone
> of mutual trust, mutual growth, and two way interaction. And it ishim
> one in which a good mentor must always remember that he is still a
> human being, and so his disciple may later come to him and tell
> that some or all of what he was teaching is nonsense. When thatdoing
> happens, his disciple may not be being mean so much as simply
> what a good disciple should do, take things to the next level.
- I think there are "mentoring" relationships. And for some there can
be the intense and wonderful relationship that occurs when one meets
someone who is correctly practicing Buddhism and can take one under
his/her wing and help one to achieve a better life. And if more of us
would endeaver to help others to practice this Buddhism, maybe we'd
achieve all those noble and fine goals we always talk about.
Of course this is a matter of "Zenchishiki"(being good friends) when
it comes right down to it.
--- In SokaGakkaiInternational@yahoogroups.com, hanlen1@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/31/2003 7:10:10 AM Central Standard Time,
> patmatthews@s... writes:
> > You do not always have direct access to yourt mentor. >>
> Then, in my opinion, there is no mentor-disciple "relationship."
> can call it "inspirer-inspired," or some such, but without
> a means of giving and receiving actual communication and two-way
> it's not master-disciple, but something else.
> I can get a lot of inspiration from great thinkers, living and
dead, but I
> would not call myself a disciple of such individuals, except in a
> general sense, and I sure can't claim to have a master-disciple
> "relationship" with someone that I cannot interact with. And
> also something that is a "hands on" activity and not possible "from
> Rent the movie "Finding Forester" for a perfect example, in all
> of what I am talking about.
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