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  • Bob M.
    Men are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they can not be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to their nature. Everything
    Message 1 of 9 , Apr 28, 2006
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      "Men are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they can
      not be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to their
      nature. Everything happens. No one does anything. 'Progress'
      and 'civilization' in the real meaning of the words, can appear only as
      a result of 'conscious' efforts...And what conscious effort can there
      be in machines?...And the unconscious activity of a million machines
      must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. It is
      precisely in unconscious involuntary manifestations that all evil lies."

      "It happens fairly often that essence dies in a man while his
      personality and body are still alive. A considerable percentage of the
      people we meet in the streets of a great town are people who are empty
      inside, that is, they are 'already dead'. It is fortunate for us that
      we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what number of people are
      actually dead and what number of these dead people govern our lives, we
      would go mad with horror."

      G. I. Gurdjieff
    • icybrethovhecate
      Spiritual syphilis. Same thing Rockwell spoke of in the first chapter of White Power . Same problem Nietzsche saw with Europe. The solution is unclear. I
      Message 2 of 9 , Apr 28, 2006
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        Spiritual syphilis. Same thing Rockwell spoke of in the first chapter
        of "White Power". Same problem Nietzsche saw with Europe. The
        solution is unclear. I often wonder if libertarians don't have a
        point, but I would hate to admit that though. Maybe if we took away
        all the social programs people would learn to stand on their own two
        feet and not depend on others. Maybe people would actually be
        individualists. Maybe what we need to do is abolish Christianity and
        its faded ideas on how where all a bunch of sheep instead of human
        beings. Maybe both. Im not saying that we should do away with all
        socialism, but maybe lessen it. Maybe a new cirriculum is schools is
        the answer, personally I'd like to see the book Anthem by Ayn Rand
        put on the required reading list for highschoolers.




        --- In theexistentialsociety@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
        <new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
        >
        > "Men are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they
        can
        > not be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to their
        > nature. Everything happens. No one does anything. 'Progress'
        > and 'civilization' in the real meaning of the words, can appear
        only as
        > a result of 'conscious' efforts...And what conscious effort can
        there
        > be in machines?...And the unconscious activity of a million
        machines
        > must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. It is
        > precisely in unconscious involuntary manifestations that all evil
        lies."
        >
        > "It happens fairly often that essence dies in a man while his
        > personality and body are still alive. A considerable percentage of
        the
        > people we meet in the streets of a great town are people who are
        empty
        > inside, that is, they are 'already dead'. It is fortunate for us
        that
        > we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what number of people
        are
        > actually dead and what number of these dead people govern our
        lives, we
        > would go mad with horror."
        >
        > G. I. Gurdjieff
        >
      • Bob M.
        The adults, teachers, and class goons in a child s life contribute to his moral emasculation. Ayn Rand I doubt if any new curriculum would be of any value
        Message 3 of 9 , Apr 28, 2006
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          "The adults, teachers, and class 'goons' in a child's life contribute
          to his moral emasculation." Ayn Rand

          I doubt if any new curriculum would be of any value
          including 'Anthem', good as it may be.

          Bob M.
          _________________________________________________________

          --- In theexistentialsociety@yahoogroups.com, "icybrethovhecate"
          <icybrethovhecate@...> wrote:
          >
          > Spiritual syphilis. Same thing Rockwell spoke of in the first
          chapter
          > of "White Power". Same problem Nietzsche saw with Europe. The
          > solution is unclear. I often wonder if libertarians don't have a
          > point, but I would hate to admit that though. Maybe if we took
          away
          > all the social programs people would learn to stand on their own
          two
          > feet and not depend on others. Maybe people would actually be
          > individualists. Maybe what we need to do is abolish Christianity
          and
          > its faded ideas on how where all a bunch of sheep instead of human
          > beings. Maybe both. Im not saying that we should do away with all
          > socialism, but maybe lessen it. Maybe a new cirriculum is schools
          is
          > the answer, personally I'd like to see the book Anthem by Ayn Rand
          > put on the required reading list for highschoolers.
        • icybrethovhecate
          Great quote--- In theexistentialsociety@yahoogroups.com, Bob M. ... contribute ... human ... all ... schools ... Rand
          Message 4 of 9 , Apr 29, 2006
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            Great quote--- In theexistentialsociety@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
            <new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
            >
            > "The adults, teachers, and class 'goons' in a child's life
            contribute
            > to his moral emasculation." Ayn Rand
            >
            > I doubt if any new curriculum would be of any value
            > including 'Anthem', good as it may be.
            >
            > Bob M.
            > _________________________________________________________
            >
            > --- In theexistentialsociety@yahoogroups.com, "icybrethovhecate"
            > <icybrethovhecate@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Spiritual syphilis. Same thing Rockwell spoke of in the first
            > chapter
            > > of "White Power". Same problem Nietzsche saw with Europe. The
            > > solution is unclear. I often wonder if libertarians don't have a
            > > point, but I would hate to admit that though. Maybe if we took
            > away
            > > all the social programs people would learn to stand on their own
            > two
            > > feet and not depend on others. Maybe people would actually be
            > > individualists. Maybe what we need to do is abolish Christianity
            > and
            > > its faded ideas on how where all a bunch of sheep instead of
            human
            > > beings. Maybe both. Im not saying that we should do away with
            all
            > > socialism, but maybe lessen it. Maybe a new cirriculum is
            schools
            > is
            > > the answer, personally I'd like to see the book Anthem by Ayn
            Rand
            > > put on the required reading list for highschoolers.
            >
          • Bob M.
            Yes and I think Ms. Rand would have taken a liking to me and vice- versa were she still here with us. She too once said that since she could conceive of men
            Message 5 of 9 , Apr 29, 2006
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              Yes and I think Ms. Rand would have taken a liking to me and vice-
              versa were she still here with us. She too once said that since she
              could conceive of men greater than ordinary men, they must exist. And
              one can recognize them because they have faces that bear no trace
              of "pain or fear or guilt."

              But just where they are, I really don't know. I still see the same
              ole, same ole, much like Emerson, who claimed long ago that, "society
              everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of everyone of it's
              members."

              Bob M.
              _________________________________________________________

              --- In theexistentialsociety@yahoogroups.com, "icybrethovhecate"
              <icybrethovhecate@...> wrote:
              >
              > Great quote--- In theexistentialsociety@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
              > <new_trail_blazer@> wrote:
              > >
              > > "The adults, teachers, and class 'goons' in a child's life
              > contribute
              > > to his moral emasculation." Ayn Rand
              > >
              > > I doubt if any new curriculum would be of any value
              > > including 'Anthem', good as it may be.
              > >
              > > Bob M.
              > > _________________________________________________________
              > >
              > > --- In theexistentialsociety@yahoogroups.com, "icybrethovhecate"
              > > <icybrethovhecate@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Spiritual syphilis. Same thing Rockwell spoke of in the first
              > > chapter
              > > > of "White Power". Same problem Nietzsche saw with Europe. The
              > > > solution is unclear. I often wonder if libertarians don't have
              a
              > > > point, but I would hate to admit that though. Maybe if we took
              > > away
              > > > all the social programs people would learn to stand on their
              own
              > > two
              > > > feet and not depend on others. Maybe people would actually be
              > > > individualists. Maybe what we need to do is abolish
              Christianity
              > > and
              > > > its faded ideas on how where all a bunch of sheep instead of
              > human
              > > > beings. Maybe both. Im not saying that we should do away with
              > all
              > > > socialism, but maybe lessen it. Maybe a new cirriculum is
              > schools
              > > is
              > > > the answer, personally I'd like to see the book Anthem by Ayn
              > Rand
              > > > put on the required reading list for highschoolers.
              > >
              >
            • Bob M.
              We have had religious revolutions, we have had political, industrial, economic, and nationalistic revolutions. All of them, as our descendants will discover,
              Message 6 of 9 , Jan 18, 2008
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                "We have had religious revolutions, we have
                had political, industrial, economic, and
                nationalistic revolutions. All of them, as
                our descendants will discover, were but
                ripples in an ocean of conservatism - trivial
                by comparison with the psychological revolution
                toward which we are so rapidly moving. 'That'
                will really be a revolution. When it is over,
                the human race will give no further trouble."
                [Aldous Huxley]

                Bob M.
                ___________________________________________

                --- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
                <new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
                >
                > "Men are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they
                can
                > not be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to their
                > nature. Everything happens. No one does anything. 'Progress'
                > and 'civilization' in the real meaning of the words, can appear
                only as
                > a result of 'conscious' efforts...And what conscious effort can
                there
                > be in machines?...And the unconscious activity of a million
                machines
                > must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. It is
                > precisely in unconscious involuntary manifestations that all evil
                lies."
                >
                > "It happens fairly often that essence dies in a man while his
                > personality and body are still alive. A considerable percentage of
                the
                > people we meet in the streets of a great town are people who are
                empty
                > inside, that is, they are 'already dead'. It is fortunate for us
                that
                > we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what number of people
                are
                > actually dead and what number of these dead people govern our
                lives, we
                > would go mad with horror."
                >
                > G. I. Gurdjieff
                >
              • Bob M.
                What are we going to make of a creation in which the routine activity is for organisms to be tearing others apart with teeth of all types - biting, grinding
                Message 7 of 9 , Jan 18, 2008
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                  "What are we going to make of a creation in
                  which the routine activity is for organisms
                  to be tearing others apart with teeth of all
                  types - biting, grinding flesh, plant stalks,
                  bones between molars, pushing the pulp greedily
                  down the gullet with delight, incorporating
                  its essence into one's own organization, and
                  then excreting with foul stench and gasses the
                  residue.....Creation is a nightmare spectacular
                  taking place on a planet that been soaked for
                  hundreds of millions of years in the blood of
                  all it's creatures." [Ernest Becker - 'The Denial of Death']

                  Bob M.
                  ____________________________________________

                  --- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
                  <new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > "Men are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they
                  can
                  > not be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to their
                  > nature. Everything happens. No one does anything. 'Progress'
                  > and 'civilization' in the real meaning of the words, can appear
                  only as
                  > a result of 'conscious' efforts...And what conscious effort can
                  there
                  > be in machines?...And the unconscious activity of a million
                  machines
                  > must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. It is
                  > precisely in unconscious involuntary manifestations that all evil
                  lies."
                  >
                  > "It happens fairly often that essence dies in a man while his
                  > personality and body are still alive. A considerable percentage of
                  the
                  > people we meet in the streets of a great town are people who are
                  empty
                  > inside, that is, they are 'already dead'. It is fortunate for us
                  that
                  > we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what number of people
                  are
                  > actually dead and what number of these dead people govern our
                  lives, we
                  > would go mad with horror."
                  >
                  > G. I. Gurdjieff
                  >
                • Bob M.
                  I believe that the day has come when we can combine sensory deprivation with drugs, hypnosis, and astute manipulation of reward and punishment to gain control
                  Message 8 of 9 , Jan 18, 2008
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                    "I believe that the day has come when we can
                    combine sensory deprivation with drugs, hypnosis,
                    and astute manipulation of reward and punishment
                    to gain control over an individual's behavior."
                    [James McConnell]

                    Bob M.
                    _____________________________________________

                    --- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
                    <new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > "Men are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they
                    can
                    > not be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to
                    their
                    > nature. Everything happens. No one does anything. 'Progress'
                    > and 'civilization' in the real meaning of the words, can appear
                    only as
                    > a result of 'conscious' efforts...And what conscious effort can
                    there
                    > be in machines?...And the unconscious activity of a million
                    machines
                    > must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. It is
                    > precisely in unconscious involuntary manifestations that all evil
                    lies."
                    >
                    > "It happens fairly often that essence dies in a man while his
                    > personality and body are still alive. A considerable percentage of
                    the
                    > people we meet in the streets of a great town are people who are
                    empty
                    > inside, that is, they are 'already dead'. It is fortunate for us
                    that
                    > we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what number of people
                    are
                    > actually dead and what number of these dead people govern our
                    lives, we
                    > would go mad with horror."
                    >
                    > G. I. Gurdjieff
                    >
                  • Bob M.
                    It is not only in our nightmares that we have seen these empty faces and ridgid forms before: we have seen them on the street, in broad daylight, as faces in
                    Message 9 of 9 , Feb 1 11:18 AM
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                      It is not only in our nightmares that we have seen
                      these empty faces and ridgid forms before: we have
                      seen them on the street, in broad daylight, as faces
                      in the crowd, strangers on the bus, anonymous figures
                      in the background of the cityscape. They exist in fact,
                      they are really out there; but in their lifelessness,
                      their absence of affect and their vacancy of expression
                      they assume the air of unreality, like manikins or
                      marionettes. The illusion of their being the "living
                      dead" is not pure fantasy; they correspond in actuality
                      to our deepest human intuition of their nature and their
                      portent. Thus Stanford Lyman, referring to the
                      proliferation in our midst of "asocial formations of
                      strangers, marginal men, disaffiliated persons, lonely
                      crowds, and uprooted masses" who share an attenuation
                      of the normal human capacity for feeling, observes:

                      These people are not dead in the conventional sense,
                      nor indeed are they very likely to kill themselves in
                      acts of release from a dreadful ennui. However, they
                      might form corps of living corpses, legions of zombies,
                      who, because of their defection from living, prey upon
                      those who have not yet fallen into the cavern of
                      contemporary despair.

                      [From 'The Dehumanization Of Man' by Ashley Montagu &
                      Floyd Matson - 1983]

                      Bob M.
                      ___________________________________________________

                      --- In Soar_Like_An_Eagle_2@yahoogroups.com, "Bob M."
                      <new_trail_blazer@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > "Men are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they
                      can
                      > not be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to their
                      > nature. Everything happens. No one does anything. 'Progress'
                      > and 'civilization' in the real meaning of the words, can appear
                      only as
                      > a result of 'conscious' efforts...And what conscious effort can
                      there
                      > be in machines?...And the unconscious activity of a million
                      machines
                      > must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. It is
                      > precisely in unconscious involuntary manifestations that all evil
                      lies."
                      >
                      > "It happens fairly often that essence dies in a man while his
                      > personality and body are still alive. A considerable percentage of
                      the
                      > people we meet in the streets of a great town are people who are
                      empty
                      > inside, that is, they are 'already dead'. It is fortunate for us
                      that
                      > we do not see and do not know it. If we knew what number of people
                      are
                      > actually dead and what number of these dead people govern our
                      lives, we
                      > would go mad with horror."
                      >
                      > G. I. Gurdjieff
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