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[The Existential Society] Re: Homogenety - Prayers & actions

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  • Bob M.
    I have seen life and it is all self - life is for self, love is for self, everything is for self. I look back and scarcely find any action I have done for
    Message 1 of 18 , Feb 9, 2006
      "I have seen life and it is all self - life is for self, love is for
      self, everything is for self. I look back and scarcely find any action
      I have done for self - even my wicked deeds were not for self - so I am
      content." Vivekananda

      Content too here but tired, sometimes very, very tired.

      Bob M.
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      --- In theexistentialsociety@yahoogroups.com, "<none>"
      <jamesrovira@...> wrote:
      >
      > Ha...no one said it was easy, Bob. About as easy as dying on a
      cross :)
      >
      > Jim R.
      >
      >
      > Jim Rovira
      > http://thephilosopersstone.blogspot.com
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
    • prakki surya
      Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami You have to live in this world according to the instructions of the Lord. Regarding your life in this world,
      Message 2 of 18 , Feb 10, 2006
        Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami
        You have to live in this world according to the instructions of the Lord. Regarding your life in this world, the essence of His instruction is that, you should be ‘deceived’ by others and not deceive others, you should be ‘harmed by others but not harm anyone, you should not insult others, but you can be insulted by others and you should be abused by others but not abuse others. One cannot attain God by doing penance even for centuries. But there is one easiest way to attain God. When you are deceived by others or when you are harmed by others or when you are insulted by others or when you are abused by others, the Lord comes to your side. It means you have attained God. Therefore, you should thank the people who have deceived or harmed or insulted or abused you. They have helped you in attaining God by the easiest way. Therefore you should not deceive or harm or insult or scold even such people in return. They might have passed on the punishment to you, for your sins on the
        will of God. In that case also, they have cleared your sins at an early stage without further interest on the punishment. Even in that way you should thank them.
        Some people say that even good people are unnecessarily harmed. They criticize God. You cannot decide any person as a good person. Did you observe him every minute from his birth? You also think yourself as a good person. Are you aware of your sins done in your childhood? You might have harmed an innocent insect in your childhood. Do you remember that? Even mental feelings are sins, which may not be expressed in words and actions. The feelings of the mind are the source of words and actions. Therefore the feeling may not hurt others today. But tomorrow it will hurt others which will come out in words and actions. Infact, intention is given more importance in the crime according to law. The judge gives more importance to the intention in giving the punishment. You are walking on the road and the ant is killed by your foot, without any intention. There is no punishment for such sins. But when you kill the same ant with intention, you are punished by God. Therefore mind is the
        source of action. If somebody harmed really a good person, then also leave it to God. You should not revenge. Why? The reason is that you cannot judge the exact nature and line of the case. You do not remember your own sins. Sometimes you do the sin thinking that it is good. You cannot be the standard in judging your own sins. Only the Lord can decide. Therefore, if somebody harmed really a good person, in the view of the Lord also, then the Lord himself will punish him. You cannot take the law and order into your hand. You have to refer the case to the court. Let the Judge decide and punish the criminal. Therefore the Lord said, “Revenge is Mine”. If the revenge is justified, the Lord will certainly punish. The Lord will not revenge if you pray Him to do so. The Lord, will not excuse even if you recommend the unjust case.
        Neither you have the power to punish nor to excuse anybody. The reason for this is that you are not omniscient. If a sinner realizes the sin and repents, the punishment is reduced. After repentance if you do not repeat the sins, the punishment is cancelled. If the sinner does not repent, he will repeat the sin again and again. Such sinner can be controlled only by punishment. If this is not true the police department has no use. There are some sinners who can be controlled only by third degree treatment. If such punishment and revenge are not required and if everybody can be transformed by preaching, then what is the necessity of the existence of ‘Hell and Liquid Fire?’ If such possibility of transformation by love and knowledge is there, then why the Lord mentioned the word ‘revenge’ at all? Therefore this means that there are some sinners who cannot be transformed by love and knowledge. Some clever people criticize Lord Rama and Lord Krishna, who have resorted to
        punish the sinners. Such clever people should answer about the word ‘revenge’ uttered by the Lord and also should explain the mention of the liquid fire in the scriptures. If all the human beings can be transformed through love and knowledge such words should not have been mentioned in their scriptures.
        The Lord is the father of all the souls. Your love on another human being is only brotherly love. The love of the father is far greater than the brotherly love. You are criticizing your father for punishing your brother! The father tries His best to transform His son. On the first day of the war Ravana was defeated by Rama. Rama could have killed him on the very first day. But Rama asked Ravana to go back and think that night. The Lord punishes anyone as last resort. Even then, the Lord does not have anger or hatred. The punishment is only the last method attempted for transformation. There also the aim is only transformation. But when you punish your enemy such aim does not exist. Therefore the punishment by Lord is also reflecting His divine love and kindness on the soul. Due to such sacred aim the Lord is authorized to punish the soul. He is just like a teacher who punishes the student for his misbehavior. The teacher does not get any sin in such punishment. The reason again
        is that the intention decides the action.
        Therefore when you live in the world according to instructions given by the Lord, the Lord is pleased with you. The Lord will make you happy in this world. Your happiness in this world is an indication of His grace. Therefore you will be happy in the upper world also. He is the only one lord for both the worlds. Therefore if you are unhappy in the worldly affairs, you will be unhappy in the spiritual matters in the upper world also. If you are blessed in this world you are also blessed in the upper world. Therefore you follow His commandments and be happy in this world.
        posted by: His servant
        at the lotus feet of shri datta swami
        www.universal-spirituality.org

        "Bob M." <new_trail_blazer@...> wrote: Yeah, but on the other hand it's not always that easy to forgive, especially some of the more lovely lassies out there for being so terribly self-entrenched and thereby rendered quite unloveable for all truly good and noble purposes.
        Bob M

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      • Bob M.
        I think you need to dump all the holiness bullshit and get down to earth and real here prakki. Ain t none among us all who got the real living God shit up in
        Message 3 of 18 , Feb 11, 2006
          I think you need to dump all the holiness bullshit and get down to
          earth and real here prakki. Ain't none among us all who got the real
          living God shit up in the least my little man.

          Bob M.
          ______________________________________________________

          --- In theexistentialsociety@yahoogroups.com, prakki surya
          <dattapr2000@...> wrote:
          >
          > Divine Message of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami
          > You have to live in this world according to the instructions of
          the Lord. Regarding your life in this world, the essence of His
          instruction is that, you should be ‘deceived’ by others and not
          deceive others, you should be ‘harmed by others but not harm
          anyone, you should not insult others, but you can be insulted by
          others and you should be abused by others but not abuse others. One
          cannot attain God by doing penance even for centuries. But there is
          one easiest way to attain God. When you are deceived by others or
          when you are harmed by others or when you are insulted by others or
          when you are abused by others, the Lord comes to your side. It means
          you have attained God. Therefore, you should thank the people who
          have deceived or harmed or insulted or abused you. They have helped
          you in attaining God by the easiest way. Therefore you should not
          deceive or harm or insult or scold even such people in return. They
          might have passed on the punishment to you, for your sins on the
          > will of God. In that case also, they have cleared your sins at an
          early stage without further interest on the punishment. Even in that
          way you should thank them.
          > Some people say that even good people are unnecessarily harmed.
          They criticize God. You cannot decide any person as a good person.
          Did you observe him every minute from his birth? You also think
          yourself as a good person. Are you aware of your sins done in your
          childhood? You might have harmed an innocent insect in your
          childhood. Do you remember that? Even mental feelings are sins, which
          may not be expressed in words and actions. The feelings of the mind
          are the source of words and actions. Therefore the feeling may not
          hurt others today. But tomorrow it will hurt others which will come
          out in words and actions. Infact, intention is given more importance
          in the crime according to law. The judge gives more importance to the
          intention in giving the punishment. You are walking on the road and
          the ant is killed by your foot, without any intention. There is no
          punishment for such sins. But when you kill the same ant with
          intention, you are punished by God. Therefore mind is the
          > source of action. If somebody harmed really a good person, then
          also leave it to God. You should not revenge. Why? The reason is that
          you cannot judge the exact nature and line of the case. You do not
          remember your own sins. Sometimes you do the sin thinking that it is
          good. You cannot be the standard in judging your own sins. Only the
          Lord can decide. Therefore, if somebody harmed really a good person,
          in the view of the Lord also, then the Lord himself will punish him.
          You cannot take the law and order into your hand. You have to refer
          the case to the court. Let the Judge decide and punish the criminal.
          Therefore the Lord said, “Revenge is Mine”. If the revenge is
          justified, the Lord will certainly punish. The Lord will not revenge
          if you pray Him to do so. The Lord, will not excuse even if you
          recommend the unjust case.
          > Neither you have the power to punish nor to excuse anybody. The
          reason for this is that you are not omniscient. If a sinner realizes
          the sin and repents, the punishment is reduced. After repentance if
          you do not repeat the sins, the punishment is cancelled. If the
          sinner does not repent, he will repeat the sin again and again. Such
          sinner can be controlled only by punishment. If this is not true the
          police department has no use. There are some sinners who can be
          controlled only by third degree treatment. If such punishment and
          revenge are not required and if everybody can be transformed by
          preaching, then what is the necessity of the existence of ‘Hell and
          Liquid Fire?’ If such possibility of transformation by love and
          knowledge is there, then why the Lord mentioned the word
          ‘revenge’ at all? Therefore this means that there are some
          sinners who cannot be transformed by love and knowledge. Some clever
          people criticize Lord Rama and Lord Krishna, who have resorted to
          > punish the sinners. Such clever people should answer about the
          word ‘revenge’ uttered by the Lord and also should explain the
          mention of the liquid fire in the scriptures. If all the human beings
          can be transformed through love and knowledge such words should not
          have been mentioned in their scriptures.
          > The Lord is the father of all the souls. Your love on another
          human being is only brotherly love. The love of the father is far
          greater than the brotherly love. You are criticizing your father for
          punishing your brother! The father tries His best to transform His
          son. On the first day of the war Ravana was defeated by Rama. Rama
          could have killed him on the very first day. But Rama asked Ravana to
          go back and think that night. The Lord punishes anyone as last
          resort. Even then, the Lord does not have anger or hatred. The
          punishment is only the last method attempted for transformation.
          There also the aim is only transformation. But when you punish your
          enemy such aim does not exist. Therefore the punishment by Lord is
          also reflecting His divine love and kindness on the soul. Due to such
          sacred aim the Lord is authorized to punish the soul. He is just like
          a teacher who punishes the student for his misbehavior. The teacher
          does not get any sin in such punishment. The reason again
          > is that the intention decides the action.
          > Therefore when you live in the world according to instructions
          given by the Lord, the Lord is pleased with you. The Lord will make
          you happy in this world. Your happiness in this world is an
          indication of His grace. Therefore you will be happy in the upper
          world also. He is the only one lord for both the worlds. Therefore if
          you are unhappy in the worldly affairs, you will be unhappy in the
          spiritual matters in the upper world also. If you are blessed in this
          world you are also blessed in the upper world. Therefore you follow
          His commandments and be happy in this world.
          > posted by: His servant
          > at the lotus feet of shri datta swami
          > www.universal-spirituality.org
          >
          > "Bob M." <new_trail_blazer@...> wrote: Yeah, but on the other
          hand it's not always that easy to forgive, especially some of the
          more lovely lassies out there for being so terribly self-entrenched
          and thereby rendered quite unloveable for all truly good and noble
          purposes.
          > Bob M
          >
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