Re: [The Existential Society] Re: A First Contribution
- Hi Bob
Very pleased you found it interesting...
Yes, the poor guy...
Thanks for the web links.
J. Krishnamurti, I know nothing about tho' I will investigate him but Nietzsche intrigues me as much as SK, another bunch of contradictions in some ways.
Now I typed in Celia and came up with a Green page about her exile from British academia and some other stuff, then I read the preface to her new book entitled �why I wrote this book' that�s the title of the preface not the book.
To be quite honest (and I hope she's not a personal friend of yours) and perhaps a bit prematurely judgmental, she sounds like a bit of a whiner and a bit immodest. Maybe she really was a child prodigy, as she claims and is a genius, that�s possible.
Anyhow as you see first impressions were not so good but giving her the benefit of the doubt her ideas could be bright and insightful that remains to be seen. Yet I can�t work out why she�s sitting 'unremunerated' ly around on some Oxford Forum, complaining about being ostracized by Ox-bridge academics. I myself would take that as a compliment. Why she does�t just get out there in the real world and find herself some other job, since she�s really so much cleverer the rest of us, there must be tons of skills she can offer in exchange for cash.
Hey, I�m not normally this catty but I just didn't like her website tone or her preface content, unaccountably trivial and introspective, to my mind, considering shes a philosopher and physicist.
What do you think?
new_trail_blazer <email@example.com> wrote:
I've found the first part interesting, and I'm focusing on the
notion presented in the following line:
***K viewed this misrelation between mind and body as "the most
tormenting one of all, where the psychic and the somatic
dialectically touch each other." Almost immediately here I thought of
Virginia Woolf, though I'll ponder this further.***
And yes those two books I mentioned previously can be read in full
here on the web.
I secured a copy of Nijinsky's diary, along with two bios on him by
his wife today. Found the diary a worthwhile read. Didn't open up the
P.S. While I'm fairly well read on many of the so-called spiritual,
religious, or philosophical 'giants', J. Krishnamurti and Nietzsche
are the two that I feel I really have pegged the best, as they were
probably the most helpful in my own adventures.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, helen steen
> Hi Bob
> Here is the remainder of the article for you. Enlightening and
>finished my current Tom Robbins I'll check um out and I'll see what I
> So those books you mentioned can be read on the web? when I have
find for Celia and let you know later what I turns up.
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- Hello again Helen,
Seek and ye shall find Helen. I'm surely rootin' for you. And let
no man, woman, or child get in your way either(Luke 18:29-30). Do you
feel a deep inner compulsion or 'calling' toward 'self-discovery',
rather than simply because it's the trendy 'in thing' to do, which,
now-a-days especially, seems to be an overwhelmingly prevalent
Beware of the many false and severely limited gurus, groups,
followers, religions, etc. everywhere. And the lies, schemes, and
dreams are slick and thick in all arenas. Take what you need(that
which edifies) and let the rest Helen, which is not always an easy
thing to do, and the task of which becomes part of your very own
trials and tribulations in the growth of wisdom and fullness of being.
And likewise be watchful of the many unfortunate intellectually
warped 'space cadet' types who serve for little more than to get
their jollies off playing with people's heads, especially here on the
net, along with putting a drag on life wherever they may happen to
be. Christ spoke of the many wolves, and they sure do come in all
sorts of fine looking clothing in these last days. Love them but keep
Eclecticism, I feel, is the best approach and the one I've been on
for many years, though more and more it seems that I'm really a
Christian at heart, though one without a church or friends.
Biographies of those from all walks of life who followed the beat of
a different drummer were, for me, the best help when it came to
reading, which I've done much of over the years, and still do. My path
(and one which I find most perfect) remains AA's 12 steps which were
formulated from Christian principles, though free of the air of
authority, hero worship, doctrines, dogmas, thou shall nots, gross
limitations, and just plain lies, as is so prevalent in present day
Christendom virtually everywhere.
Nietzsche and J. Krishnamurti were perhaps my best teachers,
although after many years on the mountain-side, I've come to view
Krishnamurti as well intentioned, wise, and even enlightened in a
sense, but essentially just another false prophet with an anti-
religious bent who, as a result, has done far more harm than good.
I know little about St. Vitus Dance or epilepsy, except once again
that my mom was said to have had the former, and that seldom do you
hear the term anymore like you did years ago. I do know however, that
the so-called experts very often don't have a clue about many things
either, which is scary, but a fact. One needs to get smart for their
own sake Helen, especially in these last days. The striving for the
almighty buck has gotten even good men's minds badly warped, often
making them propagators of lies and producers and perpetuators of
suffering. Seems, for instance, we seem to have a chemical drug or
fix for everything now-a-days, and they don't come cheap, nor with
any guarantees either, save for their comsumption filling people's
pocket-books very well.
You mention your interest in the connection between neurological
conditions and insightfulness and brilliance. My interest in this
area would include, and especially, sensitivity too, along with the
importance of the early formative years and their effect on the
mind/brain development. As I find insightfulness and brilliance alone
don't necessarily make for a wholesome and well-rounded human being,
and very often quite far from it. Einstein comes to mind here for one.
At the following url, I have placed some ideas I've found
insightful and helpful over the years, including some on the early
'Sci-Fi' is a field I have no interest in whatsoever. I suppose
it's because of my inherent down to earth, hands on, nothing but the
truth nature. Nor was I ever part of the drug, sex, & rock and roll
scene either, thank God. Although I do enjoy nearly all kinds of
music, but again, I never had a need to be part of any scenes.
Actually and in retrospect I've always been an 'outsider lookin' in'
and a loner, and remain that very same way today, though now and
finally with a clear understanding of life and self, along with
having recaptured a happy heart and sane mind. Though not without
also having to bear at times a deeply felt sorrow, which sometimes
borders on feelings of madness. But my co-pilot, Karen, keeps me
living on, though often I'd just as soon be back 'home' once again.
Best wishes Helen,
P.S. "And so long as you haven't experienced this: to die and so to
grow, you are only a troubled guest on the dark earth." Goethe
And this is so whether ye be a friend or a foe of the (dark) earth, I
> Hi Bob,nothing about the guru in question at this point I like your
> I'd say thats more than many and I'm not talking numbers here...
> I have been reading your contributions to the Kexiles. Tho' I know
responses.....your tune is melodic.
> For some time I have been deeply engaged in the intriguing businessof self discovery. A journey that's taken me through parts of, some
of, the sometimes almost impossible-to-fathom tomes of the great
existentialist philosophers and personality theorists, to the
writings of the Sartre and the Beats to contemporaries like Tom
Robbins, Taoism, Buddhism and all kinds of related and unrelated
stuff..................Trying discover about me, being and the
meaning of life. Strange how one can go along in a complete vombee
like state for the majority of ones life then all of a sudden the
bottom drops out of your world and there's nothing holding you up
> I was looking for your mail about St Vallias Dance and yourbrothers, which I seem to have lost...I had never heard of this
condition, which is odd since my oldest daughter is a JRA sufferer
another autoimmune illness, luckily St V's D must be pretty rare.
> I have been looking into the connection between neurologicalconditions and insightfulness and brilliance (which is a subjective
term... I've chosen to use nevertheless)....Yes, Nijinsky's diaries
and those writings of Dick after his 'visions' (the sci-fi writer
described by Dennis) would be good to read....most of the stuff on
the websites is just too brief and tantalizing and there's a lot
about entertainers...brilliant musicians who were often heavy drug
> friend of the earth if not the world