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  • pierrebirding
    The following species were at Cluff Ranch Pond 3 (just N. of Safford), Graham Co., AZ, June 2, 2007: - Flame Skimmer - Easter Amberwing: ~10 - Red Saddlebags -
    Message 1 of 4 , Jun 3, 2007
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      The following species were at Cluff Ranch Pond 3 (just N. of Safford),
      Graham Co., AZ, June 2, 2007:

      - Flame Skimmer
      - Easter Amberwing: ~10
      - Red Saddlebags
      - Black Saddlebags
      - Common Whitetail: 1 M
      - Widow Skimmer: Many M and F
      - Blue Dasher
      - Western Pondhawk
      - Eastern Pondhawk: 1 M
      - Plateau Drangonlet: 1 M
      - Blue-eyed Darner
      - Common Green Darner
      - Bluet sp. ("Familiar/Northern/Tule" type)
      - Double-striped Bluet
      - Amethyst Dancer: 1+ M
      - Dusky Dancer: 1 M
      - Desert Firetail
      - Rambur's Forktail
      - Amer/Canyon Rubyspot: 1 M

      Pierre Deviche, Phoenix, AZ.
    • Ann Johnson
      I think the differences between the two sites are that the Arizona records are unverified or historical for both counties and thus are not in the Odonata
      Message 2 of 4 , Jun 3, 2007
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        I think the differences between the two sites are that the Arizona records
        are unverified or historical for both counties and thus are not in the
        Odonata Central database. Pierre, I hope you got a photo. I have a feeling
        that would be the first verified state record.



        Ann Johnson





        From: SoWestOdes@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SoWestOdes@yahoogroups.com] On
        Behalf Of Kathy &/or Dave Biggs
        Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:46 PM
        To: pierrebirding
        Cc: SoWestOdes@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [SoWestOdes] Cluff Ranch Pond 3, Graham Co., AZ



        Hi Pierre,

        Nice outing!
        By any chance did you get photos of the Eastern Pondhawk? It's not too
        common in AZ, and would be a new early flight date.
        I believe it might also be a new county record, although there are those
        who lump and split this species differently.
        Please check your sighting against the records at Odonata Central:
        http://odonatacentral.bfl.utexas.edu/gmap/ and at Arizona Odonates
        http://www.azodes.com/dragons/skimmers/pond-east.asp, as the two site
        disagree.

        THANKS!!
        Kathy

        California Dragonflies http://www.sonic.net/dragonfly
        Southwest Dragonflies http://southwestdragonflies.net/
        Bigsnest Wildlife Pond http://www.bigsnestpond.net/
        ----------------------------------------------------------
        Kathy and Dave Biggs bigsnest@... <mailto:bigsnest%40sonic.net>
        707-823-2911
        308 Bloomfield Rd. Sebastopol, CA 95472
        ----------------------------------------------------------
        dba Azalea Creek Publishing azalea@... <mailto:azalea%40sonic.net>
        fax: 707-823-2911
        http://www.sonic.net/~bigsnest/azaleacreekpublishing/
        ----------------------------------------------------------

        pierrebirding wrote:

        >The following species were at Cluff Ranch Pond 3 (just N. of Safford),
        >Graham Co., AZ, June 2, 2007:
        >
        >- Flame Skimmer
        >- Easter Amberwing: ~10
        >- Red Saddlebags
        >- Black Saddlebags
        >- Common Whitetail: 1 M
        >- Widow Skimmer: Many M and F
        >- Blue Dasher
        >- Western Pondhawk
        >- Eastern Pondhawk: 1 M
        >- Plateau Drangonlet: 1 M
        >- Blue-eyed Darner
        >- Common Green Darner
        >- Bluet sp. ("Familiar/Northern/Tule" type)
        >- Double-striped Bluet
        >- Amethyst Dancer: 1+ M
        >- Dusky Dancer: 1 M
        >- Desert Firetail
        >- Rambur's Forktail
        >- Amer/Canyon Rubyspot: 1 M
        >
        >Pierre Deviche, Phoenix, AZ.
        >
        >





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      • Dennis Paulson
        Pierre and all, This is still one of the interesting taxonomic question in North American odonatology - one species or two of blue pondhawk! A good case was
        Message 3 of 4 , Jun 3, 2007
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          Pierre and all,

          This is still one of the interesting taxonomic question in North
          American odonatology - one species or two of blue pondhawk! A good
          case was made by Nick Donnelly for lumping the two species, but the
          picture is not entirely clear, and field workers anywhere at the
          western edge of the Great Plains (and perhaps into Arizona) can help
          by carefully photographing individuals that you think might be the
          two different species at the same place. Much better yet would be to
          collect them, so they can be measured and all characteristics
          checked, but if you're not into collecting, then good photos would be
          of value, especially of females. Photos from directly above would be
          the best, as they show the abdomen shape best.

          Dennis

          On Jun 3, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Kathy &/or Dave Biggs wrote:

          > Hi Pierre,
          >
          > Nice outing!
          > By any chance did you get photos of the Eastern Pondhawk? It's not too
          > common in AZ, and would be a new early flight date.
          > I believe it might also be a new county record, although there are
          > those
          > who lump and split this species differently.
          > Please check your sighting against the records at Odonata Central:
          > http://odonatacentral.bfl.utexas.edu/gmap/ and at Arizona Odonates
          > http://www.azodes.com/dragons/skimmers/pond-east.asp, as the two site
          > disagree.
          >
          > THANKS!!
          > Kathy
          >
          > California Dragonflies http://www.sonic.net/dragonfly
          > Southwest Dragonflies http://southwestdragonflies.net/
          > Bigsnest Wildlife Pond http://www.bigsnestpond.net/
          > ----------------------------------------------------------
          > Kathy and Dave Biggs bigsnest@... 707-823-2911
          > 308 Bloomfield Rd. Sebastopol, CA 95472
          > ----------------------------------------------------------
          > dba Azalea Creek Publishing azalea@... fax: 707-823-2911
          > http://www.sonic.net/~bigsnest/azaleacreekpublishing/
          > ----------------------------------------------------------
          >
          > pierrebirding wrote:
          >
          > >The following species were at Cluff Ranch Pond 3 (just N. of
          > Safford),
          > >Graham Co., AZ, June 2, 2007:
          > >
          > >- Flame Skimmer
          > >- Easter Amberwing: ~10
          > >- Red Saddlebags
          > >- Black Saddlebags
          > >- Common Whitetail: 1 M
          > >- Widow Skimmer: Many M and F
          > >- Blue Dasher
          > >- Western Pondhawk
          > >- Eastern Pondhawk: 1 M
          > >- Plateau Drangonlet: 1 M
          > >- Blue-eyed Darner
          > >- Common Green Darner
          > >- Bluet sp. ("Familiar/Northern/Tule" type)
          > >- Double-striped Bluet
          > >- Amethyst Dancer: 1+ M
          > >- Dusky Dancer: 1 M
          > >- Desert Firetail
          > >- Rambur's Forktail
          > >- Amer/Canyon Rubyspot: 1 M
          > >
          > >Pierre Deviche, Phoenix, AZ.
          > >
          > >
          >
          >

          -----
          Dennis Paulson
          1724 NE 98 St.
          Seattle, WA 98115
          206-528-1382
          dennispaulson@...





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        • Kathy &/or Dave Biggs
          Hi Pierre, Nice outing! By any chance did you get photos of the Eastern Pondhawk? It s not too common in AZ, and would be a new early flight date. I believe it
          Message 4 of 4 , Jun 3, 2007
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            Hi Pierre,

            Nice outing!
            By any chance did you get photos of the Eastern Pondhawk? It's not too
            common in AZ, and would be a new early flight date.
            I believe it might also be a new county record, although there are those
            who lump and split this species differently.
            Please check your sighting against the records at Odonata Central:
            http://odonatacentral.bfl.utexas.edu/gmap/ and at Arizona Odonates
            http://www.azodes.com/dragons/skimmers/pond-east.asp, as the two site
            disagree.

            THANKS!!
            Kathy

            California Dragonflies http://www.sonic.net/dragonfly
            Southwest Dragonflies http://southwestdragonflies.net/
            Bigsnest Wildlife Pond http://www.bigsnestpond.net/
            ------------------------------------------------------------------
            Kathy and Dave Biggs bigsnest@... 707-823-2911
            308 Bloomfield Rd. Sebastopol, CA 95472
            -----------------------------------------------------------------
            dba Azalea Creek Publishing azalea@... fax: 707-823-2911
            http://www.sonic.net/~bigsnest/azaleacreekpublishing/
            -----------------------------------------------------------------



            pierrebirding wrote:

            >The following species were at Cluff Ranch Pond 3 (just N. of Safford),
            >Graham Co., AZ, June 2, 2007:
            >
            >- Flame Skimmer
            >- Easter Amberwing: ~10
            >- Red Saddlebags
            >- Black Saddlebags
            >- Common Whitetail: 1 M
            >- Widow Skimmer: Many M and F
            >- Blue Dasher
            >- Western Pondhawk
            >- Eastern Pondhawk: 1 M
            >- Plateau Drangonlet: 1 M
            >- Blue-eyed Darner
            >- Common Green Darner
            >- Bluet sp. ("Familiar/Northern/Tule" type)
            >- Double-striped Bluet
            >- Amethyst Dancer: 1+ M
            >- Dusky Dancer: 1 M
            >- Desert Firetail
            >- Rambur's Forktail
            >- Amer/Canyon Rubyspot: 1 M
            >
            >Pierre Deviche, Phoenix, AZ.
            >
            >
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