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Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Eureka!! or Brezina?

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  • Caye Caswick
    I got a little more info (hopefully, it s in Slovak, so I personally can t tell exactly how much more or different it is) -- I ll post it to the images section
    Message 1 of 25 , Aug 1, 2004
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      I got a little more info (hopefully, it's in Slovak,
      so I personally can't tell exactly how much more or
      different it is) -- I'll post it to the images section
      from work on Monday -- I've got access to a scanner
      there. Thanks to Jerry Sabo and the Slovak Institute
      in Cleveland -- all very cool people. Also three
      other towns also in Zemplen which are similar in
      spelling to Kolbasa (now Brezina) -- which I can also
      share, maybe someone will benefit from the knowledge.


      Caye



      --- amiak27 <rmat@...> wrote:

      > I proofed the scanned document and made some
      > corrections on a Slovak
      > keyboard to get the letters correct. I was in a
      > hurry and did not
      > proof the scanning and it missed some items =
      > primarily the � (or s^
      > if the original does not come through).
      >
      > The next paragraph is what I originally posted, the
      > one following
      > that is the proofed version.
      >
      > Brezina C3: Obec sa spomlna od r. 1300 ako zemiansky
      > majetok,
      > neskor*ie patrila niekork�m majite�om, v r. 1449 mal
      > majetok v z�lohu
      > J. Jiskra. V r. 1944 obec silno po*koden�. S�cas�ou
      > boli osady
      > Hal�m, Hegyalja a Nyri. Kostol
      > barokovo-klasicistick� z r. > 1785,
      > kostol referen�n�z r. 1801.Z19.stor. zachovan�
      > hlinen� domy s
      > valbovou strechou zoraden� za sebou v roz�ahl�ch
      > dvoroch.
      >
      > Brezina C3: Obec sa spom�na od r. 1300 ako zemiansky
      > majetok,
      > neskor�ie patrila niekolk�m majite�om, v r. 1449 mal
      > majetok v z�lohu
      > J. Jiskra. V r. 1944 obec silno po�koden�. S��as�ou
      > boli osady
      > Hal�m, Hegyalja a Nyri. Kostol
      > barokovo-klasicistick� z r. > 1785,
      > kostol referen�n� z r. 1801.Z 19. stor. zachovan�
      > hlinen� domy s
      > valbovou strechou zoraden� za sebou v roz�ahl�ch
      > dvoroch.
      >
      > If this posting comes through with the accented
      > letters distorted I
      > will experiment with a repeat post with the Language
      > box checked
      > as "Czech" instead of "English".
      >
      > Ron
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "Armata, Joseph
      > R. (JArmata)"
      > <JArmata@g...> wrote:
      > > I first read the word as reformovany~ too
      > (Reformed), but it's
      > > referencny~, a different word (as you realize, the
      > "z" at the end is
      > > an independent word, going with 1801 - "from
      > 1801"). I'm guessing
      > the
      > > 3rd letter from the end is a "c", in my email it
      > appears as an "e"
      > > with a backward slash over it - all the special
      > characters appear as
      > > gibberish in the message on my system.
      > >
      > > Joe
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: Helen Fedor [mailto:hfed@l...]
      > > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:07 AM
      > > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Eureka!! or
      > Brezina?
      > >
      > >
      > > Joe,
      > > I just had one of those brainstorms-at-2am,
      > except that it
      > > happened just now. In my translation for Caye
      > about Brezina I said
      > > that Brezina's "Lutheran church was built in 1801
      > in the Classical
      > > style". Down below, you wondered about "kostol
      > referencny" as a
      > > referential church.
      > > A big dope slap to both of us. "Kostol: ref."
      > means a church
      > > belonging to the 'Reformovana cirkev' or the
      > Reformed Christian
      > Church
      > > in Slovakia = the Calvinists . A Lutheran church
      > would be
      > designated
      > > "Kostol: ev." (Evanjelicka cirkev). Calvinists
      > make sense as
      > they're
      > > much more common in southern Zemplin than
      > Lutherans.
      > >
      > > Helen
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > >>> JArmata@g... 7/28/2004 9:43:32 AM >>>
      > > A "valbova strecha" is a Pavilion hipped roof, a
      > four-sided roof.
      > See
      > > image at
      > >
      > >
      >
      http://www.kmbeta.sk/pages/mainModules/Calculation/pages/valbova/va_za
      > >
      > > d.php
      > >
      > > I think a "kostol referencny" is an ecclesiastical
      > term for a type
      > of
      > > parish church (something like a referential
      > church?). There's an
      > old
      > > office called a referendary, a legal expert who
      > handles appeals, it
      > > might be connected to that. So the phrase means
      > "a referential?
      > > church from 1801".
      > >
      > > Joe
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: Gerald J. Sabo [mailto:gsabo@j...]
      > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:14 AM
      > > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Eureka!! or
      > Brezina?
      > >
      > >
      > > Translation: Brezina C3[?: The village/town is
      > > mentioned
      > > from 1300 as a petty nobleman's property, later it
      > > belonged
      > > to certain owners, in 1449 Jan Jiskra [Czech
      > > military/historical figure] had the property as
      > > security
      > > [probably for some loan]. In 1944 the village/town
      > > was
      > > seriously damaged. Parts [of it] were the
      > > settlements
      > > Halam, Hegeyalia, a Nyri. The church is
      > > Baroque-Neo-Classical from 1785, the church was
      > > [renovated??] in 1801. From the 19th century are
      > > preserved earthen/clay homes with [??} roofs, [the
      > > houses were] arranged [one after] another in
      > > extensive/extended [court]yards--this is the best
      > I
      > > can do for you--Jerry Sabo.
      > >
      > > > Brezina C3: Obec sa spomlna od r. 1300 ako
      > > zemiansky
      > > > majetok, neskor*ie patrila niekork�m majite�om,
      > > v r. 1449
      > > > mal majetok v z�lohu J. Jiskra. V r. 1944 obec
      > > silno po*koden�.
      > > > S�cas�ou boli osady Hal�m, Hegyalja a Nyri.
      > > Kostol barokovo-klasicistick� z r.
      > > > 1785, kostol referen�n�z r. 1801.Z19.stor.
      > > zachovan� hlinen�
      > > > domy s valbovou strechou zoraden� za sebou v
      > > roz�ahl�ch dvoroch.
      > > >
      > > > Ron
      > >
      > >
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