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  • gergely
    Vladimir, I m confused. Are we Americans bad people, or just stupid people because we don t tax ourselves out of the cheap fuel market? Jack Gergely ... this.
    Message 1 of 99 , May 1, 2004
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      Vladimir,

      I'm confused. Are we Americans bad people, or just stupid people because we
      don't tax ourselves out of the cheap fuel market?

      Jack Gergely



      At 10:57 PM 5/1/2004 +0200, you wrote:
      >Dear Gil,
      >Big, big mistake, what you are thinking.
      >Maybe you didn't give it enough thought.
      >I said, cheap energy is one of the pillars of US society. Thie is why US
      >is the biggest waster of it and the life style is very much a result of
      this.
      >If the price of oil goes up 15 or 20 %, there is a crisis in the world.
      >And you say, if it would triple, this would make no difference? A big
      >mistake.I just can not believe, you are serious.
      >if oil goes up, everything goes up.
      >How much can you save now? Probably nothing. How would you live, if
      >everything would be three times more expensive? Unimaginable.
      >I already said couple of times, here in Slovakia, for us, compared to you,
      >the gas is now about 15 times!! more expensive.
      >In other words, with your weekly wage you can buy 15 times more gas than
      >we can.
      >This would be the end of american way of life. Of course, this can hardly
      >happen. The issue is too important for the integrity of US, so no risks in
      >this direction will be taken. Cheap oil must be secured globally at any
      cost.
      >Vladimir
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Gil K.
      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 7:21 AM
      > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Electricity & Coal
      >
      >
      > Vladimir,
      >
      > I don't think raising the price of gasoline or cigarettes or liquor
      > will stop people from buying what they want if there is no limit on the
      > supply.
      >
      > In many big cities in the world where gasoline is priced very high
      > there appears to be no letup in auto useage and traffic jams. Rome,
      > Tokyo, Seoul and Hong Kog are good examples.
      >
      > Raising the price of a product to limit its use has been tried in may
      > countries and appears not to work. I can report on activities in a
      > Scandanavian country in the 1980s when the price of cigarettes was about
      > US$4.00 a pack, the price of a bottle of Vodka was US$20.00 and
      > gasoline was US$3.00 / gallon. The government believed this would reduce
      > the consumption. The results indicated that the majority of people still
      > smoked, drove high powered autos with many trafffic jams and the
      > alcohlism rate was among the highest in the world.
      >
      > I think its human nature that people will spend the last bit of money
      > to get what they want!
      >
      > Gil K.
      >
      >
      > Vladimir Bohinc <konekta@...> wrote:
      > I can only repeat what I wrote below. Think about it. Also in context
      > of what is going on right now and why in liberated country.
      > What would the Americans do, if the gas would be twice or three times
      > more expensive?
      > Vladimir
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: gergely
      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 5:18 PM
      > Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] Re: Electricity & Coal
      >
      >
      > Now that's interesting Vladimir.
      >
      > Is our energy artificially cheap or is Europe's artifically expensive
      > because of high taxes?
      >
      > Jack Gergely
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Vladimir Bohinc [mailto:konekta@...]
      > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:15 AM
      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Electricity & Coal
      >
      >
      > Dear Noreen,
      > One of the pillars of the american society is artificially cheap
      energy.
      > Raise the cost of energy to european levels and watch what happens.
      > Vladimir
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: krejc@...
      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 12:33 PM
      > Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] Re: Electricity & Coal
      >
      >
      > Gil,
      > You do make good points and these are the same points made from the
      > other
      > side. What about the nuclear waste products? You mention that
      > tons
      > of
      > poisonous emisions would come from fossil fuel plants should they
      > have to
      > be built
      > to take over the production of energy and this is true. But what
      about
      > all
      > the spent fuel rods that are piling up in the midwestern mountains
      > storage
      > containers? These continue to be radioactive long after our
      > grandchildren's
      > children are faced with the enormous problem of how to rid the
      > atmosphere
      > of these
      > wastes. I am ultra conservative when it comes to politics but I go
      > back
      > to
      > "earth children logic" when it comes to the environment. I think
      > that we
      > should
      > consider cutting back not only on our production of energy but of
      our
      > usage.
      > A thousand points should be given to our Jimmy Carter on that one.
      > Windmills
      > and solar energy should have long ago been part of our energy
      picture.
      > There
      > just is no quick answer to this but storing radioactive fuel rods
      > is not a
      > good thing. How does that saying go? It is something like "We are
      not
      > leaving
      > our natural resources to our children. We are borrowing theirs."
      > Noreen
      >
      >
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    • raybravo2000
      Hmmm, nostalgia... That reminds me of deja vu. Or is it the other way around. Colin
      Message 99 of 99 , May 6, 2004
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        Hmmm, nostalgia...

        That reminds me of deja vu. Or is it the other way around.
        Colin

        --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, krejc@a... wrote:
        > In a message dated 5/6/04 9:37:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
        > kubangil@y... writes:
        >
        > >
        > > OK Colin, When you get there send me a note from the past!
        > >
        > > Gil K.
        > >
        >
        > Gil,
        > this sounds like nostalgia.
        > Noreen
        >
        >
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