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Re: [Slovak-World] Re: 1870 Emigrant steerage display

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  • sichva@junction.net
    Great ideas Carl Thank you. Shelly ... From: Carl To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 8:36 AM Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: 1870
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      Great ideas Carl

      Thank you.

      Shelly

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Carl
      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 8:36 AM
      Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: 1870 Emigrant steerage display



      One more thing that I forgot to mention. Also, search on the feminine version of your surname on Facebook. I had much more luck using the Kotlarčiková version! And thanks Vilo.

      --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "William C. Wormuth" <senzus@...> wrote:
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      > Carl,
      > Good suggestion!Â
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      > Additionally, Telephone books are good in finding relatives.
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      > Z Bohom,
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      > Vilo
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      > ________________________________
      > From: Carl <kotlarchik@...>
      > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 9:49 AM
      > Subject: [Slovak-World] Re: 1870 Emigrant steerage display
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      > Shelly,
      > One of the things you should try to find relatives in Slovakia before your trip is to look on Facebook for your surnames. I know that sounds a little crazy, but once when I was doing a Google search of my Kotlarčik surname, a listing came up for it on Facebook. So, I joined Facebook and contacted the individual. And we were indeed related. Now I have found 5 different families on Facebook, some who live in very small villages, that are related to me. I am in contact with all of them. So, then I looked for my mother's Slovak family the same way. Again, I was able to find several members in the town where my grandparents lived. Finally, I looked for a Serbian family with a very common surname. There were too many to contact so I looked for ones that came from my ancestor's village in Hercegovina and found several who I contacted. After struggling a bit with the language, I really hit pay dirt!. I found a member of my family who had a family
      > tree with 126 members.....including my great-grandparents. From this tree, I was able to find about a dozen members of the family who now live all over the world (due to the war there in the 1990s). They have shared a lot of information about the family with me and were excited to find an American relative. One of the children, now living in Serbia is working in America this summer and will be visiting us this September. Pretty exciting.
      > Anyway, give it a try.
      > CK
      >
      > --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, <sichva@> wrote:
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      > > Thank you, Ron;
      > >
      > > I am about to embark on my first trip to the Slovak Republic. In preparation I've tried to discover more information about my grandparents - who were both from rural Slovakia (Hasprunka/Studienka and Siroke). They came to North America between 1890 and 1900, and I know very little about their voyage or for that matter what their lives were like prior to their departure. So these pictures, Ron, gave me a little insight into their experience. Thanks.
      > >
      > > Unfortunately, my grandparents did not pass on much information about their lives in Slovakia (what would it have been known as in 1890 - Hungary?) to my father and he didn't ask for more than they offered. So we know little of relatives that are here in North America and nothing of relatives that may still be living in their original communities.
      > >
      > > I do not speak Slovakian, only English, and wondered if I travelled to these small communities if I would be able to get by with just English - in trying to find relatives. Is the church a good place to start looking or what would you suggest.... Being new to all of this I am open to ideas.
      > >
      > > Shelly Chvala
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      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Ron
      > > To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:09 PM
      > > Subject: [Slovak-World] 1870 Emigrant steerage display
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      > >
      > > On my way back to the Frankfurt airport and my flight back to Alaska on the 3rd of July I headed to Munich and spent a day at the Deutsches Museum, a well respected museum of sciences and technology that can be compared to the Smithsonian in Washington. It is recommended for anyone with an interest in the breadth of human knowledge and development.
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      > > The section on shipping includes a display on immigration, and as most of you know many of our ancestors exited Europe through German ports between 1880 and 1914. With the cooperation of the German ship lines they have displays of a first class cabins as well as a third class or steerage class display representing the conditions on a sailing ship. I took a few photos that I will post in the FILES section of this forum.
      > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Slovak-World/files/1870%20steerage%20display/
      > >
      > > This is what the exhibit signs had to say:
      > >
      > > "Between Decks of an Emigrant Sailing Ship, about 1870, Replica
      > > Poverty and political persecution caused about 14 million Europeans, in some cases with their families, to go to North America between 1850 and 1914. The journey could take between 4 weeks and four months; hundreds f people had to spend
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      > > this time tween-decks. Lack of care and atrocious hygienic conditions led to epidemics on board. In 1853 every tenth emigrant died on board. Passengers had to provide their own food, crockery, mattresses and bedding. They formed cooking groups and elected a member who distributed the food rations which were then prepared and cooked by the women. Emigrant transports were an important export item; shipping companies employed persons to recruit passengers. National and economic interests thus led to reforms which required by law minimum dimensions of 2.85 cubic meters per passenger and also stipulated the extent of sanitation and life saving equipment to be provided."
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      > > 2.85 cubic meters is 101 cubic feet, or in a deck 6 feet high, equivalent to floor space of 4x4.
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      > > There was no display on steerage in later sailing ships. Looking at the pictures, the generous space depicted does not seem to reconcile with the space calculated.
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      > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Slovak-World/files/1870%20steerage%20display/
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