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  • William C. Wormuth
    Helena, Diki Vam! S Panem Bohom, Vilo ________________________________ From: Helen Fedor To: Slovak World
    Message 1 of 20 , Jul 3, 2012
      Helena,

      Diki Vam!

      S Panem Bohom,

      Vilo




      ________________________________
      From: Helen Fedor <helenfedor@...>
      To: Slovak World <slovak-world@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 7:58 PM
      Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE


      Ahoj Vilo,I just hope it pans out for your friends.
      H

      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
      From: senzus@...
      Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 15:33:42 -0700
      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE




















       


         
           
           
            Helen,



      Thanks, I forwarded all messages and I gave them your name and email. address.  The message is very long but if you want a copy, I will send.Helen thanks again for your input.



      S Panem Bohem,



      Vilo



      ________________________________

      From: Helen Fedor <helenfedor@...>

      To: Slovak World <slovak-world@yahoogroups.com>

      Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 4:50 PM

      Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE





      Vilo,Have the two men been in contact with UL'UV?  If I'm not mistaken, they planned to do a survey and document all the kroje in the country.  About 30 years ago, I was allowed to take photos of the drawings they'd made of the traditional kroje in my two ancestral villages (women's warm weather everyday, men's wintertime overcoats, etc.).  I don't know if they ever published the materials as a book or series of books, but maybe they could see the original materials. H

      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

      From: senzus@...

      Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:32:21 -0700

      Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE



       



         

           

           

            Barbara,



      It is sad and the same thing is occurring in Slovakia.  In "My Town", Kúty, Zahorie, Western Slovakia



      In January, I received emails from two men, Richard Drs~ka Drrrsh-kah] and Filip Hus~t'ava [Huhshtya-vah], requesting Photos of original kroje and other historical info from our immegrants here in Johnstown, NY.  Their intention is to preserve them, locally in a yet to be built museum.  Richard is employed in the Zahorie muzeum in Skalica [Skahlee-tsah].  They are working with people from Moravia who are expert in Kroje making and preservation.



      On Thursday, I was reading news from our kuty.sk site and saw that Filip has scheduled a gathering of youth, to teach our traditional Polka and Waltz waltz.  He wants them to be prepared for dancing during our Hody [Hoh-dee] the yearly celebration of the consecration of our church, (ST. Josephs), held on the weekend closest to the feast of Our Lady of Snows, (Panenka Maria Sniez~u) (August 5th).



      I hope that this preservation work will occur in communities all over Slovakia, preserving our beautiful cultural heritage.



      Barbara, you are to be commended for your contributions and I would suggest you let the kids know how hurt your feelings are.



      S Panem Bohom,



      Vilo



      To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



      Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:48 PM



      Subject: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE



       



      All my ancestors are from Slovakia,I am second and third generation american. I have 4 sisters we do live far apart. I have 6 grown children. We grew up with Christmas and Easter Slovak traditions and food alike through out the year. I have raised my children with the traditions and the food in which I still make today. I have never been to Slovakia finances set me back from going.But I love to draw and have drawn many a scenery from pictures of Slovakia. I also listen to Slovak folk music and do much embroidery.I even made an heirloom wallhanging of the villages and pictures of the ancestors. My next attempt is to try Pysanky eggs. I have taught my daughters to cook,sew,other various crafts, housekeep,garden. I do have many documents of my ancestors including a 1857 book in the Czech language "Life of Jesus Christ" that my great grandfather brought here. What bothers me is that none of my children are interested in our heritage as well as my sisters.



      And I live here in rural Kentucky so not too many people care either.Can anyone give me some suggestions. I love my heritage and I think it is important it has such a beautiful culture and I am afraid that it is dying out in this family.



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    • William C. Wormuth
      Below is todays article in the Kúty News article concerning the subject. http://kuty.sk/ Vilo ________________________________ From: William C. Wormuth
      Message 2 of 20 , Jul 4, 2012
        Below is todays article in the Kúty News article concerning the subject.

        http://kuty.sk/

        Vilo


        ________________________________
        From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
        To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:53 PM
        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE


        Helena,

        Diki Vam!

        S Panem Bohom,

        Vilo



        ________________________________
        From: Helen Fedor <helenfedor@...>
        To: Slovak World <slovak-world@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 7:58 PM
        Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE


        Ahoj Vilo,I just hope it pans out for your friends.
        H

        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
        From: senzus@...
        Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 15:33:42 -0700
        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE




















         


           
             
             
              Helen,



        Thanks, I forwarded all messages and I gave them your name and email. address.  The message is very long but if you want a copy, I will send.Helen thanks again for your input.



        S Panem Bohem,



        Vilo



        ________________________________

        From: Helen Fedor <helenfedor@...>

        To: Slovak World <slovak-world@yahoogroups.com>

        Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 4:50 PM

        Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE





        Vilo,Have the two men been in contact with UL'UV?  If I'm not mistaken, they planned to do a survey and document all the kroje in the country.  About 30 years ago, I was allowed to take photos of the drawings they'd made of the traditional kroje in my two ancestral villages (women's warm weather everyday, men's wintertime overcoats, etc.).  I don't know if they ever published the materials as a book or series of books, but maybe they could see the original materials. H

        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

        From: senzus@...

        Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:32:21 -0700

        Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE



         



           

             

             

              Barbara,



        It is sad and the same thing is occurring in Slovakia.  In "My Town", Kúty, Zahorie, Western Slovakia



        In January, I received emails from two men, Richard Drs~ka Drrrsh-kah] and Filip Hus~t'ava [Huhshtya-vah], requesting Photos of original kroje and other historical info from our immegrants here in Johnstown, NY.  Their intention is to preserve them, locally in a yet to be built museum.  Richard is employed in the Zahorie muzeum in Skalica [Skahlee-tsah].  They are working with people from
        Moravia who are expert in Kroje making and preservation.



        On Thursday, I was reading news from our kuty.sk site and saw that Filip has scheduled a gathering of youth, to teach our traditional Polka and Waltz waltz.  He wants them to be prepared for dancing during our Hody [Hoh-dee] the yearly celebration of the consecration of our church, (ST. Josephs), held on the weekend closest to the feast of Our Lady of Snows, (Panenka Maria Sniez~u) (August 5th).



        I hope that this preservation work will occur in communities all over Slovakia, preserving our beautiful cultural heritage.



        Barbara, you are to be commended for your contributions and I would suggest you let the kids know how hurt your feelings are.



        S Panem Bohom,



        Vilo



        To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com



        Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:48 PM



        Subject: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE



         



        All my ancestors are from Slovakia,I am second and third generation american. I have 4 sisters we do live far apart. I have 6 grown children. We grew up with Christmas and Easter Slovak traditions and food alike through out the year. I have raised my children with the traditions and the food in which I still make today. I have never been to Slovakia finances set me back from going.But I love to draw and have drawn many a scenery from pictures of Slovakia. I also listen to Slovak folk music and do much embroidery.I even made an heirloom wallhanging of the villages and pictures of the ancestors. My next attempt is to try Pysanky eggs. I have taught my daughters to cook,sew,other various crafts, housekeep,garden. I do have many documents
        of my ancestors including a 1857 book in the Czech language "Life of Jesus Christ" that my great grandfather brought here. What bothers me is that none of my children are interested in our heritage as well as my sisters.



        And I live here in rural Kentucky so not too many people care either.Can anyone give me some suggestions. I love my heritage and I think it is important it has such a beautiful culture and I am afraid that it is dying out in this family.



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      • William C. Wormuth
        Background for this topic:  SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com   Wednesday, July 4, 2012 6:47 PMVilo, I changed the topic to German Mahren in case you didn t see
        Message 3 of 20 , Jul 4, 2012
          Background for this topic:


           SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
           

          Wednesday, July 4, 2012 6:47 PMVilo, I changed the topic to 'German Mahren' in case you didn't see it.
          It's questionable if name etymology is off-topic. But if you do move it to
          SW then let me know.

          Peter M.

          On 5 July 2012 08:39, William C. Wormuth <senzus@...> wrote:

           Ron,

           
          I would like to further argue but on Slovak World because itt is rather
           
          off Roots.

           
          Awe c'mon!, it's fun an' intrestin'. Besides, Martin might get in to it..

           
          Z Bohom,

           
          Vilo

           
          From: Ron <amiak27@...>
           
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
           
          Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 1:09 PM

           
          Subject: Re: [S-R] Josif Stucka, Stuczka

           
          Vilo,

           
          We disagree, but I am happy for the conversation and thoughts to consider.

           
          Yes, mention of the Morava River in Serbia is relevant simply because it
           
          is sometimes confused with the Slovak-Czech Morava, and anyone researching
           
          or reading about it should be aware, so they can avoid the confusion
           
          themselves. There are even historians who have argued that Greater Moravia
           
          was centered in Serbia rather than in Czecho-Slovakia.

           
          On another point, I do not consider Morava and Mähren and Moravia
           
          translations of one another. That would be like saying the Moldau and
           
          Vltava are translations, when in reality they are two different names for
           
          the same river.

           
          Related, perhaps is the example Zuzanna and Zsuzsanna in Slovak and
           
          Hungarian, differences in orthography of the different languages. We also
           
          must consider how the orthography (spelling) has changed over time as
           
          writing standards change.

           
          150 years ago we would have said the Neanderthal skeleton was found in the
           
          Neanderthal Valley. Today we say the Neanderthal skeleton was found in the
           
          Neandertal Valley, a change in orthography, but not in the proper name.

           
          Ron

           
          --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "William C. Wormuth"

           
          Ron,
           
          Your statement, and should not even address the other Morava River in
           
          Serbia,
           
          "Die Morava (serbisch �'�µ�»�¸�º�°
           
          Ã�Å"Ã�¾Ã`€Ã�°Ã�²Ã�°/Velika Morava, deutsch
           
          auch Große Morava) ist ein rechter Nebenfluss der Donau und
           
          Hauptfluss
           
          Serbiens.".
           
          The Morava mentioned in Slovakia would be Western Slovak border which
           
          emptiest into the Danube which would be translated into Austrian German.Â
           
          In Eastern Slovakia, the German would come from the early settlements there
           
          by Germans.

           
          I am interested and do not mean to "correct" you.
           
          Z Bohom,

           
          From: Ron <amiak27@...>
           
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 7:50 AM
           
          Subject: Re: [S-R] Josif Stucka, Stuczka

          For anyone having trouble reading this or any message with accent marks,
           
          go to "View", "Character Encoding" and choose "UTF-8"

           
          Peter, what readings lead you to believe Marchevka is based on German? I
           
          am fluent in German and working on learning Slovak, so I am familiar with
           
          how similar some of the words can be in different languages and how easy it
           
          is to err in ascribing certain relationships.

           
          It is handy to check things on www.google.de to get a German
           
          perspective, which is often closer to the usual European view, as opposed
           
          to our views from the USA. Sometimes there is much more detailed

           
          In this case a quick look at the German Wiki entry yields "Die March
           
          (tschechisch und slowakisch Morava, lat. Marus) ist ein linker Nebenfluss
           
          der Donau in Mitteleuropa. Sie entwässert etwa drei Viertel des nach ihr
           
          benannten Mähren und ist dessen Hauptfluss."

           
          and that does not even address the other Morava River in Serbia,
           
          "Die Morava (serbisch �'�µ�»�¸�º�°
           
          Ã�Å"Ã�¾Ã`€Ã�°Ã�²Ã�°/Velika Morava, deutsch auch Große Morava) ist
           
          ein rechter Nebenfluss der Donau und Hauptfluss Serbiens."

           
          Also, why would you take it to the German and not to the older Latin?

           
          Ron

          In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:

           
          Vilo, Marchevka [Mahrrkhehv-kah] - From my readings, I'm pretty sure
           
          that > this name is based on the German *Mähren* -> mährische for
           
          Moravian. So > the name Marchevka and Marhefka are related in this way.
           
          I'm interested in this name as I think it is related to Morav (Slav)
           
          versions - eg Moravka - Moravko - Morafko - Marafko and so on.
           
          Do you think this is a possiblity?

           
          Peter M.

           
          On 4 July 2012 15:22, William C. Wormuth <senzus@> wrote:

          Marchevka [Mahrrkhehv-kah].
            http://telefonny.zoznam.sk/Marchevka/Jakubany/

           
          From: "stibila@" <stibila@>
           
          To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
           
          Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:55 AM

           
          Subject: [S-R] Josif Stucka, Stuczka

           
          Josif, Joseph, was born in Jakubany to Joannes Stucka, Stuczka, and
           
          Anna
           
          Marchevka, Marhefka. Josif was born in 1929 and is my Mother's
           
          brother. He
           
          moved to Czechoslovakia, somewhere around 1945 but before 1970. His
           
          wife
           
          was Maria, last name maybe Verka. They had 4 daughters. He may still
           
          be
           
          alive but we have no way of communicating with relatives in
           
          Jakubany. If
           
          any one knows anything about Josif, please post to the message board.
           
          Someone did send me 2 Stucka phone numbers in Czech Republic and
           I
          called them, but they did not speak English.


          ________________________________
          From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
          To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:04 AM
          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE


           
          Below is todays article in the Kúty News article concerning the subject.

          http://kuty.sk/

          Vilo

          ________________________________
          From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
          To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:53 PM
          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE


          Helena,

          Diki Vam!

          S Panem Bohom,

          Vilo

          ________________________________
          From: Helen Fedor <helenfedor@...>
          To: Slovak World <slovak-world@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 7:58 PM
          Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE


          Ahoj Vilo,I just hope it pans out for your friends.
          H

          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
          From: senzus@...
          Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 15:33:42 -0700
          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE
              
                Helen,

          Thanks, I forwarded all messages and I gave them your name and email. address.  The message is very long but if you want a copy, I will send.Helen thanks again for your input.

          S Panem Bohem,

          Vilo

          ________________________________

          From: Helen Fedor <helenfedor@...>

          To: Slovak World <slovak-world@yahoogroups.com>

          Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 4:50 PM

          Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE

          Vilo,Have the two men been in contact with UL'UV?  If I'm not mistaken, they planned to do a survey and document all the kroje in the country.  About 30 years ago, I was allowed to take photos of the drawings they'd made of the traditional kroje in my two ancestral villages (women's warm weather everyday, men's wintertime overcoats, etc.).  I don't know if they ever published the materials as a book or series of books, but maybe they could see the original materials. H

          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

          From: senzus@...

          Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:32:21 -0700

          Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE

                Barbara,

          It is sad and the same thing is occurring in Slovakia.  In "My Town", Kúty, Zahorie, Western Slovakia

          In January, I received emails from two men, Richard Drs~ka Drrrsh-kah] and Filip Hus~t'ava [Huhshtya-vah], requesting Photos of original kroje and other historical info from our immegrants here in Johnstown, NY.  Their intention is to preserve them, locally in a yet to be built museum.  Richard is employed in the Zahorie muzeum in Skalica [Skahlee-tsah].  They are working with people from
          Moravia who are expert in Kroje making and preservation.

          On Thursday, I was reading news from our kuty.sk site and saw that Filip has scheduled a gathering of youth, to teach our traditional Polka and Waltz waltz.  He wants them to be prepared for dancing during our Hody [Hoh-dee] the yearly celebration of the consecration of our church, (ST. Josephs), held on the weekend closest to the feast of Our Lady of Snows, (Panenka Maria Sniez~u) (August 5th).

          I hope that this preservation work will occur in communities all over Slovakia, preserving our beautiful cultural heritage.

          Barbara, you are to be commended for your contributions and I would suggest you let the kids know how hurt your feelings are.

          S Panem Bohom,

          Vilo

          To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

          Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:48 PM

          Subject: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE

          All my ancestors are from Slovakia,I am second and third generation american. I have 4 sisters we do live far apart. I have 6 grown children. We grew up with Christmas and Easter Slovak traditions and food alike through out the year. I have raised my children with the traditions and the food in which I still make today. I have never been to Slovakia finances set me back from going.But I love to draw and have drawn many a scenery from pictures of Slovakia. I also listen to Slovak folk music and do much embroidery.I even made an heirloom wallhanging of the villages and pictures of the ancestors. My next attempt is to try Pysanky eggs. I have taught my daughters to cook,sew,other various crafts, housekeep,garden. I do have many documents
          of my ancestors including a 1857 book in the Czech language "Life of Jesus Christ" that my great grandfather brought here. What bothers me is that none of my children are interested in our heritage as well as my sisters.

          And I live here in rural Kentucky so not too many people care either.Can anyone give me some suggestions. I love my heritage and I think it is important it has such a beautiful culture and I am afraid that it is dying out in this family. Messages in this topic (13)



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        • votrubam
          ... Old Slavs used the word _morava_ or its plural _moravy_ to indicate marsh(es). In those days, they pronounced the modern [v] as [w]. The neighboring
          Message 4 of 20 , Jul 4, 2012
            > Morava and Mähren and Moravia 
            > translations of one another.

            Old Slavs used the word _morava_ or its plural _moravy_ to indicate marsh(es). In those days, they pronounced the modern [v] as [w]. The neighboring Germanic tribes missed the [w] and adopted the place name name as Ma"hren, it eventually gave name to the whole Margraviate of Moravia. Several small, historically marshy localities scattered in the Slavic countries are called that, not just the two better known rivers.

            The loss of the Old Slavic [w] when a place name was adopted into a neighboring non-Slavic language happened with some regularity.

            ----- E.g., Pankow (originally a Slavic place name), an elegant borough of the former communist-ruled part of Berlin, is pronounced [panko] by Berliners, not [pankof] as one might expect.

            ----- Liptov (pronounced [liptow] then by the Slovaks' ancestors) was adopted as Lipto by the Ugric tribes when they arrived around 900 CE; Novohrad, originally Nov Grad ("New Castle") became Nograd in Hungarian, etc.


            Martin
          • Helen Fedor
            What struck me about the name Marchevka is that, in the Zemplin dialect (one of the eastern ones, as is the Spis~ dialect), it means carrot . H To:
            Message 5 of 20 , Jul 5, 2012
              What struck me about the name Marchevka is that, in the Zemplin dialect (one of the eastern ones, as is the Spis~ dialect), it means 'carrot'.

              H




              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              From: senzus@...
              Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 18:31:18 -0700
              Subject: [Slovak-World] German Mahren





              Background for this topic:

              SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com


              Wednesday, July 4, 2012 6:47 PMVilo, I changed the topic to 'German Mahren' in case you didn't see it.
              It's questionable if name etymology is off-topic. But if you do move it to
              SW then let me know.

              Peter M.

              On 5 July 2012 08:39, William C. Wormuth <senzus@...> wrote:

              Ron,


              I would like to further argue but on Slovak World because itt is rather

              off Roots.


              Awe c'mon!, it's fun an' intrestin'. Besides, Martin might get in to it..


              Z Bohom,


              Vilo


              From: Ron <amiak27@...>

              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com

              Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 1:09 PM


              Subject: Re: [S-R] Josif Stucka, Stuczka


              Vilo,


              We disagree, but I am happy for the conversation and thoughts to consider.


              Yes, mention of the Morava River in Serbia is relevant simply because it

              is sometimes confused with the Slovak-Czech Morava, and anyone researching

              or reading about it should be aware, so they can avoid the confusion

              themselves. There are even historians who have argued that Greater Moravia

              was centered in Serbia rather than in Czecho-Slovakia.


              On another point, I do not consider Morava and Mähren and Moravia

              translations of one another. That would be like saying the Moldau and

              Vltava are translations, when in reality they are two different names for

              the same river.


              Related, perhaps is the example Zuzanna and Zsuzsanna in Slovak and

              Hungarian, differences in orthography of the different languages. We also

              must consider how the orthography (spelling) has changed over time as

              writing standards change.


              150 years ago we would have said the Neanderthal skeleton was found in the

              Neanderthal Valley. Today we say the Neanderthal skeleton was found in the

              Neandertal Valley, a change in orthography, but not in the proper name.


              Ron


              --- In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, "William C. Wormuth"


              Ron,

              Your statement, and should not even address the other Morava River in

              Serbia,

              "Die Morava (serbisch �'�µ�»�¸�º�°

              Ã�Å"Ã�¾Ã`€Ã�°Ã�²Ã�°/Velika Morava, deutsch

              auch Große Morava) ist ein rechter Nebenfluss der Donau und

              Hauptfluss

              Serbiens.".

              The Morava mentioned in Slovakia would be Western Slovak border which

              emptiest into the Danube which would be translated into Austrian German.Â

              In Eastern Slovakia, the German would come from the early settlements there

              by Germans.


              I am interested and do not mean to "correct" you.

              Z Bohom,


              From: Ron <amiak27@...>

              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 7:50 AM

              Subject: Re: [S-R] Josif Stucka, Stuczka

              For anyone having trouble reading this or any message with accent marks,

              go to "View", "Character Encoding" and choose "UTF-8"


              Peter, what readings lead you to believe Marchevka is based on German? I

              am fluent in German and working on learning Slovak, so I am familiar with

              how similar some of the words can be in different languages and how easy it

              is to err in ascribing certain relationships.


              It is handy to check things on www.google.de to get a German

              perspective, which is often closer to the usual European view, as opposed

              to our views from the USA. Sometimes there is much more detailed


              In this case a quick look at the German Wiki entry yields "Die March

              (tschechisch und slowakisch Morava, lat. Marus) ist ein linker Nebenfluss

              der Donau in Mitteleuropa. Sie entwässert etwa drei Viertel des nach ihr

              benannten Mähren und ist dessen Hauptfluss."


              and that does not even address the other Morava River in Serbia,

              "Die Morava (serbisch �'�µ�»�¸�º�°

              Ã�Å"Ã�¾Ã`€Ã�°Ã�²Ã�°/Velika Morava, deutsch auch Große Morava) ist

              ein rechter Nebenfluss der Donau und Hauptfluss Serbiens."


              Also, why would you take it to the German and not to the older Latin?


              Ron

              In SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com, htcstech <htcstech@> wrote:


              Vilo, Marchevka [Mahrrkhehv-kah] - From my readings, I'm pretty sure

              that > this name is based on the German *Mähren* -> mährische for

              Moravian. So > the name Marchevka and Marhefka are related in this way.

              I'm interested in this name as I think it is related to Morav (Slav)

              versions - eg Moravka - Moravko - Morafko - Marafko and so on.

              Do you think this is a possiblity?


              Peter M.


              On 4 July 2012 15:22, William C. Wormuth <senzus@> wrote:

              Marchevka [Mahrrkhehv-kah].
              http://telefonny.zoznam.sk/Marchevka/Jakubany/


              From: "stibila@" <stibila@>

              To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com

              Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:55 AM


              Subject: [S-R] Josif Stucka, Stuczka


              Josif, Joseph, was born in Jakubany to Joannes Stucka, Stuczka, and

              Anna

              Marchevka, Marhefka. Josif was born in 1929 and is my Mother's

              brother. He

              moved to Czechoslovakia, somewhere around 1945 but before 1970. His

              wife

              was Maria, last name maybe Verka. They had 4 daughters. He may still

              be

              alive but we have no way of communicating with relatives in

              Jakubany. If

              any one knows anything about Josif, please post to the message board.

              Someone did send me 2 Stucka phone numbers in Czech Republic and
              I
              called them, but they did not speak English.

              ________________________________
              From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
              To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:04 AM
              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE



              Below is todays article in the Kúty News article concerning the subject.

              http://kuty.sk/

              Vilo

              ________________________________
              From: William C. Wormuth <senzus@...>
              To: "Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com" <Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:53 PM
              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE

              Helena,

              Diki Vam!

              S Panem Bohom,

              Vilo

              ________________________________
              From: Helen Fedor <helenfedor@...>
              To: Slovak World <slovak-world@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2012 7:58 PM
              Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE

              Ahoj Vilo,I just hope it pans out for your friends.
              H

              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com
              From: senzus@...
              Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 15:33:42 -0700
              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE

              Helen,

              Thanks, I forwarded all messages and I gave them your name and email. address. The message is very long but if you want a copy, I will send.Helen thanks again for your input.

              S Panem Bohem,

              Vilo

              ________________________________

              From: Helen Fedor <helenfedor@...>

              To: Slovak World <slovak-world@yahoogroups.com>

              Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 4:50 PM

              Subject: RE: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE

              Vilo,Have the two men been in contact with UL'UV? If I'm not mistaken, they planned to do a survey and document all the kroje in the country. About 30 years ago, I was allowed to take photos of the drawings they'd made of the traditional kroje in my two ancestral villages (women's warm weather everyday, men's wintertime overcoats, etc.). I don't know if they ever published the materials as a book or series of books, but maybe they could see the original materials. H

              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

              From: senzus@...

              Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:32:21 -0700

              Subject: Re: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE

              Barbara,

              It is sad and the same thing is occurring in Slovakia. In "My Town", Kúty, Zahorie, Western Slovakia

              In January, I received emails from two men, Richard Drs~ka Drrrsh-kah] and Filip Hus~t'ava [Huhshtya-vah], requesting Photos of original kroje and other historical info from our immegrants here in Johnstown, NY. Their intention is to preserve them, locally in a yet to be built museum. Richard is employed in the Zahorie muzeum in Skalica [Skahlee-tsah]. They are working with people from
              Moravia who are expert in Kroje making and preservation.

              On Thursday, I was reading news from our kuty.sk site and saw that Filip has scheduled a gathering of youth, to teach our traditional Polka and Waltz waltz. He wants them to be prepared for dancing during our Hody [Hoh-dee] the yearly celebration of the consecration of our church, (ST. Josephs), held on the weekend closest to the feast of Our Lady of Snows, (Panenka Maria Sniez~u) (August 5th).

              I hope that this preservation work will occur in communities all over Slovakia, preserving our beautiful cultural heritage.

              Barbara, you are to be commended for your contributions and I would suggest you let the kids know how hurt your feelings are.

              S Panem Bohom,

              Vilo

              To: Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com

              Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:48 PM

              Subject: [Slovak-World] SLOVAK HERITAGE

              All my ancestors are from Slovakia,I am second and third generation american. I have 4 sisters we do live far apart. I have 6 grown children. We grew up with Christmas and Easter Slovak traditions and food alike through out the year. I have raised my children with the traditions and the food in which I still make today. I have never been to Slovakia finances set me back from going.But I love to draw and have drawn many a scenery from pictures of Slovakia. I also listen to Slovak folk music and do much embroidery.I even made an heirloom wallhanging of the villages and pictures of the ancestors. My next attempt is to try Pysanky eggs. I have taught my daughters to cook,sew,other various crafts, housekeep,garden. I do have many documents
              of my ancestors including a 1857 book in the Czech language "Life of Jesus Christ" that my great grandfather brought here. What bothers me is that none of my children are interested in our heritage as well as my sisters.

              And I live here in rural Kentucky so not too many people care either.Can anyone give me some suggestions. I love my heritage and I think it is important it has such a beautiful culture and I am afraid that it is dying out in this family. Messages in this topic (13)

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            • votrubam
              ... That s what it is in Polish, too (marchew/marchewka). Both marchevka and mrkva, as well as the (north and east) German Mo hre (earlier also Morke/Mokra),
              Message 6 of 20 , Jul 5, 2012
                > What struck me about the name Marchevka is that,
                > in the Zemplin dialect (one of the eastern ones, as
                > is the Spis~ dialect), it means 'carrot'.

                That's what it is in Polish, too (marchew/marchewka). Both marchevka and mrkva, as well as the (north and east) German Mo"hre (earlier also Morke/Mokra), are linked to an old word for "root." The word used in the sense of "carrot" probably went from Germanic to Slavic (the -v- was added in Slavic declensions and eventually migrated to the nominative).


                Martin
              • Peter M
                Well that s fascinating and very significant to the work I m doing. So Marchevka (root meaning root ) has been otherwise spelt as Marhefka, which I assumed to
                Message 7 of 20 , Jul 5, 2012
                  Well that's fascinating and very significant to the work I'm doing.
                  So Marchevka (root meaning 'root') has been otherwise spelt as Marhefka, which I assumed to be of German origin from Mähren. If Marhefka means something else, then I'd be interested in that very much.

                  Thanks

                  Peter M.

                  --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "votrubam" <votrubam@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > > What struck me about the name Marchevka is that,
                  > > in the Zemplin dialect (one of the eastern ones, as
                  > > is the Spis~ dialect), it means 'carrot'.
                  >
                  > That's what it is in Polish, too (marchew/marchewka). Both marchevka and mrkva, as well as the (north and east) German Mo"hre (earlier also Morke/Mokra), are linked to an old word for "root." The word used in the sense of "carrot" probably went from Germanic to Slavic (the -v- was added in Slavic declensions and eventually migrated to the nominative).
                  >
                  >
                  > Martin
                  >
                • votrubam
                  ... Impossible; no historical or linguistic grounds for assuming that. It is a Polish and East-Slovak word for carrot (it may also occur as a regional
                  Message 8 of 20 , Jul 5, 2012
                    > Marhefka, which I assumed to be of German origin from Mähren.

                    Impossible; no historical or linguistic grounds for "assuming" that. It is a Polish and East-Slovak word for "carrot" (it may also occur as a regional word elsewhere in the Slavic-speaking area). The meaning "root" was only present in old-Old German, and had already shifted to "carrot" by the Middle German period, but German never had the -v- in it -- that was inserted after the word entered the Slavic languages. The family name Marhefka means "carrot" and is Slavic in origin.


                    Martin
                  • Peter M
                    Thanks Martin. I m happy that s been cleared up. Peter M.
                    Message 9 of 20 , Jul 6, 2012
                      Thanks Martin. I'm happy that's been cleared up.
                      Peter M.

                      --- In Slovak-World@yahoogroups.com, "votrubam" <votrubam@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > > Marhefka, which I assumed to be of German origin from Mähren.
                      >
                      > Impossible; no historical or linguistic grounds for "assuming" that. It is a Polish and East-Slovak word for "carrot" (it may also occur as a regional word elsewhere in the Slavic-speaking area). The meaning "root" was only present in old-Old German, and had already shifted to "carrot" by the Middle German period, but German never had the -v- in it -- that was inserted after the word entered the Slavic languages. The family name Marhefka means "carrot" and is Slavic in origin.
                      >
                      >
                      > Martin
                      >
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